DeltaJet757 From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 243 posts, RR: 0 Reply 1, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 13557 times:
SurferX From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 122 posts, RR: 0 Reply 2, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 13417 times:
JetBlueGuy2006 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1613 posts, RR: 2 Reply 3, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 13272 times:
WOW, I am excited, I just hope I remember.
Home Airport: Capital Region International Airport (KLAN)
Thebry From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 374 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 13169 times:
JetBlueGuy2006 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1613 posts, RR: 2 Reply 6, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 12804 times:
DeltaJet757 From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 243 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 12621 times:
AirTranTUS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 10, posted (6 years 7 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 11830 times:
Quoting JetBlueGuy2006 (Reply 6): yeah, I don't have one. I am a college student, not a lot of extra cash laying around.
I don't even have a TV! My parents are recording it (I had to write directions on how since I changed the cables again last weekend) I'll get it from them this weekend when I go home.
FXramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7023 posts, RR: 93 Reply 13, posted (6 years 7 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 11583 times:
Yall be sure and look for Uncle Jimbo on the show!
My TIVO is set, and I made my girlfriend order in food 2nite so we could watch the show.
Dalb777 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2192 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (6 years 7 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 11280 times:
Wow, that was pretty interesting! Pretty cool to see how an airline operates, behind the scenes. I find it amazing how the flight from JFK-LAX only made $200, and would have lost money if one less passenger would have been on the flight.
Geaux Tigers! Geaux Hornets! Geaux Saints! WHO DAT!!!
Mnik101 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 167 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (6 years 7 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 11260 times:
Quoting Dalb777 (Reply 16): Wow, that was pretty interesting! Pretty cool to see how an airline operates, behind the scenes. I find it amazing how the flight from JFK-LAX only made $200, and would have lost money if one less passenger would have been on the flight.
Yeah, but they made up for it by selling advantage miles to Citi and other credit card companies.
EA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 12557 posts, RR: 64 Reply 19, posted (6 years 7 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 11126 times:
Damn I hate that smarmy Peter Greenberg.
He did that bit about the disparity in pricing on the DFW-BDL flight....but looked at ALL ticket holders for the flight without taking into account that some were local O&D traffic, and the rest connected from WILDLY DIFFERENT ORIGIN POINTS that affected the price of the tickets!
And of course it was all done to make AA's pricing look ridiculous.
"In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem - government IS the problem." - Ronald Reagan
AirFrnt From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 2775 posts, RR: 43 Reply 20, posted (6 years 7 months 4 days ago) and read 11056 times:
Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 19):
He did that bit about the disparity in pricing on the DFW-BDL flight....but looked at ALL ticket holders for the flight without taking into account that some were local O&D traffic, and the rest connected from WILDLY DIFFERENT ORIGIN POINTS that affected the price of the tickets!
AA's pricing model is insane. In fact the entire way the market is structured is insane. But it's also profitable, and hence it's stuck around.
The numbers he pointed out at the end of the show are pretty sobering. A full 767 making only $200 bucks is very scary.
The rest of the maintainence stuff was interesting. I found it amusing and somehwhat revealing that everyone working in the AA hangers (who will even admit that AA is taking a chance on building out the maintainence instead of outsourcing it) was wearing their union local shirts rather then a AA shirt.
It also drives home just how big a problem AA is going to have in the near future with a huge fleet of MD-80s needing replacement.
The rest of it was pretty much stuff anyone interested in Airlines already knew, but a interesting look none the less.
Goldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5418 posts, RR: 13 Reply 22, posted (6 years 7 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 10906 times:
Due to the cable system at my place, I was, and still am, unable to watch the show. Any insights into which departments they looked at, and what they dealt with?
Two all beef patties, special sauce, lettuce, cheese, pickles, onions on a sesame seed bun.
Wannabe From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 675 posts, RR: 3 Reply 23, posted (6 years 7 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 10756 times:
I have some serious doubts about the financials on the 767 flight. It stated that they only made $300 on the freight that was carried. Is that revenue or profit? In either case, it seems real low considering the amount of freight a 767 could carry. And I do understand that the majority of what they are carrying on the lower deck is baggage. Could someone in on the inside validate the low revenue from freight? Also, how about US Mail, which was also mentioned as a large part of their operations. How much do they make on that?
474218 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6340 posts, RR: 10 Reply 24, posted (6 years 7 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 10707 times:
They were very clear that the JFK-LAX flight netted (that's profit) only $200. Even stated if they would have had one less passenger they would have lost money. There was an other flight they broke down DFW to somewhere in the northeast that turned a $6,800 profit.
Thats what competition does it drives down the price of tickets and the airlines profit. Lots of operators fly New York-California, few fly Texas to the northeast.
25 MaverickM11: It's completely sane, and actually very simple. The airlines are just trying to match supply and demand.
26 Okie73: I don't question it. If I remember correctly, they stated that flight carried 158 passengers....not a large number on a 767. To actually turn a profi
27 MaverickM11: Their 762 only holds 158 in three classes.
28 Okie73: Was it a 762? The side view they showed of it touching down was of a -300. Of course that would be typical media to get it wrong.
29 Mirrodie: Yes, that was interesting, wasn't it? AA 1, that's the route, the flagship service and yet it's such a loss leader it seems. I was also very happy to
31 Ikramerica: 787 in the office. About 45 minutes in, Arpy is at an assistant's desk, looking at some papers. On top of the cabinet behind her is a large scale mode
32 474218: Manufactures give away models in airline livery to prospective costumers. If you were to look around his office you may even see an A380 in AA livery
33 Okie73: I know what a 762 is. I questioned whether or not what they showed landing was a 767-200 or a 767-300. Looked like the latter to me.
34 Airbazar: That one specifi flight yes, but that means nothing. The same flight at a different time of the day, or on a different day of the week, or even the r
36 Junction: I liked it because they really didn't try to cover up anything. Even that guy who was head of AAdvantage said they never intend to let any seats go ou
37 Supa7e7: Well if you save 50 bucks on every AA flight, at the end of the year that's about $35 million. With such a big show, pinching pennies is where it's a
38 Ikramerica: Backed it up a few times on the PVR. Widebody, pointy nose (not snub nose like the 757), and sharkfin tail. Looks like a 788 model from pre-firming o
39 Supa7E7: That is a great point. It sure wasn't an infomercial. Or here's the thing, it totally was. But it was geared to union members, not customers.
40 Ikramerica: It was on and produced by CNBC, so it was geared toward investors, one would think. But CNBC is watched by customers, too, and this was not a very cu
41 Flybyguy: That was a point that got me... I always knew airline margins were low... but not that low. It's a wonder that any person seriously wants to start an
42 Ikramerica: The 762 is a 20 year old jet, very innefficient. It is flying in a low density 158 configuration and the show was filmed during the highest oil prices
43 TAN FLYR: hope this works..transferring a reply to another post!
44 ARGinLON: The double miles award is usually unrestricted in terms of availability (full Y fare availability) due to alliance legal issues (e.g. pax with BA mil
45 DeltaJet757: American Airlines: A week In The Life was an interesting program to watch. I'm surprised CNBC was allowed to go where most people except for emplyees
46 Ikramerica: AA is both better and worse than other airlines in my experience at getting standard awards. That's not the point. They were publicly proud of how ha
48 AIR757200: Not one time during the show did I get that impression nor was I expecting it to be customer focused. This show was strictly about how the operation
49 COewrAAtysAZ: You and I were thinking the same exact thing. While, the word "customer" could have come up once in a blue moon, the overall topic was the OPERATION
50 Lucky42: I have to laugh , that was the first thing I noticed too. The twu sucks big time...I can't imagine why AA would allow their MX to parade that in fron
51 Akizidy214: I'll agree with you there! TWU T-shirts is the attire you will most likely see at all of AA's MTX bases. IE AFW, MCI and TUL as you have seen. But at
52 Airbazar: Thank you. You simplified the point I was trying to make in reply 34. For example, on the same show they singled out a flight that made over $8000 in
53 Jaws707: This is on the topic on the AA advantage program. I personally am in United Mileage Plus (which I imagine is very simmilar) and have not had any probl
54 ARGinLON: Fair point but how much easier is for you to accumulate points than in the past? It's way easier since every single purchase you make (from groceries
55 Commavia: Indeed, I think that if you talk to most AA AAdvantage frequent flyers, they'll tell you that on balance, AA is actually one of the better airlines i
56 LGA777: For anyone in the US who missed this and wants to see it Encore presentations on CNBC Sunday 10-22 from 2100EDT-2300EDT and again 0000EDT-0200EDT Sund
57 Isitsafenow: I enjoyed the program but noticed one mistake. When discussing the 767 going to LAX, they brought out that the airplane was built in 1986 at a cost of
58 Vivavegas: Excellent observation. Never once was it mentioned that many, many of those mechanics are making north of $100k per year. They show the one guy (shar
59 Ikramerica: So what. If customer service were more of a focus of AA, you would have heard more about the customer. I've seen similar such shows about other compa
60 LY4XELD: Yes, transcon 767's are 762's (JFK-LAX). Notice it also went to Bermuda, AA 763's do not go to Bermuda, so it was a 762. Yup...it's called marketing.
61 WorldTraveler: BY far the best comment was Crandall's "I've never invested in an airline and never will. They're great places to work but not where you want to inves
62 Dispatchguy: I watched it too - actually pretty interesting. I thought Crandall's best comment when he dumped a security guard at a warehouse and replace it with t
63 Ikramerica: Not according to the head pilot in the union. Safety is not first at AA, and he's afraid for his life when it comes to uninspected cargo. Then again,
64 Thebry: I think that was the amount quoted as profit on excess baggage fees -- not cargo. Actually, one of the stats on the show indicated that AMR shares ha
65 Mkirch72: You missed the point. They were upset that the executives were again given bonuses (I think in the amount of $100 million to the top 900). The mechan
66 Movingtin: Where did you get that BS? By far the best paid Techs make around $80,000 a year. No where close to $100,000, Much less North of that. and AA's Techs
67 DL Widget Head: He's something else isn't he. I wish he would have told his story about having a conversation with the CEO of Braniff about ticket prices. That was p
68 Alaska737: Heres my question: Twice during the program (which was great by the way) they said that AA was the only US legacy carrier to NEVER file for chapter 11
69 CoolGuy: The main operations office looks pretty cool!
70 Commavia: I don't think Alaska is considered a "legacy" by most analysts and the media. Alaska is the age of the legacies, but it is not nearly as large a carr
71 Movingtin: I believe they are considered a National carrier
72 CO7e7: I noticed that as well... by legacy they're talking about NW, CO, DL, UA, US... and maybe WN (if they're considered legacy). It was a very nice show
73 Jmhluv2fly: Good program. I would like to know if the program will be re-aired so that I can record it or how I can purchase a copy of it. Anyone know? Tx. JMH-Pe
74 Dispatchguy: Yeah, while that may be the case, Cargo isnt 100% inspected at any carrier, so its not like AA is the only one not inspecting it, with the "known shi
75 EMBQA: Because CNBC is a business news channel and the story was about the business of running an airline. What should it have been on... The FoodNetwork...
76 LMP737: AA being the only business in the US that tries and "squeze" profit out of it's customers.
77 LMP737: I don't know where you got your information but I assure you that it is wrong. Most airline mechanics won't see anything close to $100K a year. There
78 Jaws707: It was re-aried on Sun night and I am sure it will be on many times again. CNBC has made simmilar programs with Wal-Mart and Ebay and sometimes they
79 EMBQA: Yup.. I was up until 0230am Monday watching it. Just had to chuckle and it reminded me of all the 'good' times at the airline. The MD-80 with a retun
80 UN_B732: Didn't the DFW-BDL flight make something like $18,000 though? Shows how crazy margins are in this industry. -Mr. X
81 Alaska737: WN is a LCC so could somebody define what a "Legacy" carrier is??? does it have to be a huge? expensive? old?
82 Lucky42: I guess what is meant by "legacy" is one of the old time established carriers that were flying well before deregulation that is still flying today...
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