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Etihad To Get A380s Ahead Of Emirates  
User currently offlineOsiris30 From Barbados, joined Sep 2006, 3192 posts, RR: 26
Posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 10825 times:

Sorry for another 380 thread.. but.. ummm wow!

http://www.khaleejtimes.com/DisplayA...ss_October160.xml§ion=business

Quote:
Industry sources revealed that although Airbus SAS is expected to stick to the original order sequence, Etihad is now poised to "steal the thunder" as it had reached an agreement with Airbus to buy four development aircraft (MSN002, MSN004, MSN007 and MSN009) which are now undergoing comprehensive flight tests. "The move was aimed at ensuring that Etihad receives its A380 aircraft at the earliest possible opportunity," he said.



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User currently offlineBringiton From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 866 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 10830 times:

So the first super-jumbo going to the region wont be emirates !! I wonder what the people running that buisness feel about that!!

User currently offlineN328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6483 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 10835 times:

Yeah, EK cannot be a happy camper.


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User currently offlineKaitak744 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 2360 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 10821 times:

Where does it say "before Emirates?"

Etihad was originally supposed to receive the test aircraft. And it will not be before Emirates. The test aircraft take around 2-3 months to refurbish, while EK's first few A380s are almost finished.


User currently offlineOsiris30 From Barbados, joined Sep 2006, 3192 posts, RR: 26
Reply 4, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 10807 times:

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 3):
Where does it say "before Emirates?"

Etihad was originally supposed to receive the test aircraft. And it will not be before Emirates. The test aircraft take around 2-3 months to refurbish, while EK's first few A380s are almost finished.

In the article (which I linked) it states:

Quote:
Emirates, which is the biggest launch customer with a $21.5 billion order for 43 A380s, will get its first plane by August 2008. Etihad, which was originally scheduled to take its first A380 delivery in October 2007, is now expected to add two superjumbo development aircraft to its fleet by the second quarter 2008.

I intentionally don't steal all of an article as a) it violates copyright and b) I like to see who reads it  Wink



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User currently offlineN328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6483 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 10807 times:

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 3):
Etihad was originally supposed to receive the test aircraft. And it will not be before Emirates. The test aircraft take around 2-3 months to refurbish, while EK's first few A380s are almost finished.

EK's first few? Hmmm, anyone have the build list? It's said that there are ten airframes that are completed sans interior and production wiring. The first four are flying, and they're for EY. The next four are for SQ. The next two are for EK?

[Edited 2006-10-05 06:03:06]


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User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11409 posts, RR: 62
Reply 6, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 10718 times:

Ouch. As if the two years late thing didn't really piss off Emirates, this Etihad thing must be being taken as a slap in the face in Dubai tonight.

User currently offlineOsiris30 From Barbados, joined Sep 2006, 3192 posts, RR: 26
Reply 7, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 10688 times:

Quoting Commavia (Reply 6):
Ouch. As if the two years late thing didn't really piss off Emirates, this Etihad thing must be being taken as a slap in the face in Dubai tonight.

This will not sit well with a certain bunch of royal's me thinks... Their CEO might also have some 'splainin' to do Lucy'



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User currently offlineKaitak744 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 2360 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 10585 times:

Quoting Osiris30 (Reply 4):

I intentionally don't steal all of an article as a) it violates copyright and b) I like to see who reads it

The quote you pulled out shows nothing about Etihad taking them before EK. It not physically possible for Etihad to take them before EK either. After certification, the planes get delivered to the customers right? But, the test aircraft have just finished testing. So, unless Etihad takes an aircraft which is quite beat up and full of computers and flight recording equipment, and no seats, EK will get them before Etihad.

Quoting Osiris30 (Reply 4):
August 2008



Quoting Osiris30 (Reply 4):
by the second quarter 2008.

The "second quarter" of a year is anywhere from July to December. This clearly provides Airbus enough time to refurbish their test aircraft and hand them over.

Quoting N328KF (Reply 5):
Hmmm, anyone have the build list?

MSN5000 - static test airframe - Toulouse
MSN5001 - fatigue test airframe - Hamburg

MSN001 - A380-841 - F-WWOW -- AIRBUS
MSN002 - A380-841 - F-WXXL - Etihad
MSN003 - A380-841 - F-WWSA - Singapore Airlines
MSN004 - A380-841 - F-WWDD - Etihad
MSN005 - A380-841 - F-WWSB - Singapore Airlines
MSN006 - A380-841 - F-WWSC - Singapore Airlines
MSN007 - A380-841 - F-WWSD - Etihad
MSN008 - A380-841 - F-WWSE - Singapore Airlines
MSN009 - A380-841 - F-WWSF - Etihad
MSN010 - A380-841 - F-WWSG - Singapore Airlines
MSN011 - A380-861 - F-WWSH - Emirates
MSN012 - A380-841 - F-WWSI - Singapore Airlines
MSN013 - A380-861 - F-WWSJ - Emirates
MSN014 - A380-841 - F-WWSK - QANTAS
MSN015 - A380-841 - F-WWSL - QANTAS
MSN016 - A380-861 - F-WWSM - Emirates
MSN017 - A380-861 - F-WWSN - Emirates
MSN018 - A380-841 - F-WWSO - Malaysian
MSN019 - A380-861 - F-WW** - Emirates
MSN020 - A380-800 - F-WW** - ?
MSN021 - A380-841 - F-WW** - QANTAS
MSN022 - A380-861 - F-WW** - Emirates
MSN023 - A380-861 - F-WW** - Air France
MSN024 - A380-841 - F-WW** - Singapore Airlines
MSN025 - A380-861 - F-WW** - ILFC/Emirates
MSN035 - A380-800F - F-WW** - Federal Express


User currently offlineOsiris30 From Barbados, joined Sep 2006, 3192 posts, RR: 26
Reply 9, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 10568 times:

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 8):
The "second quarter" of a year is anywhere from July to December. This clearly provides Airbus enough time to refurbish their test aircraft and hand them over.

No that's second HALF.. Second Quarter is April - June inclusive.

And read the blinking article.. there's a reason I linked it.. and it's on another source now too.



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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21472 posts, RR: 60
Reply 10, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 10524 times:

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 8):
So, unless Etihad takes an aircraft which is quite beat up and full of computers and flight recording equipment, and no seats, EK will get them before Etihad.

This would normally be the case, but with Certification possibly coming 9 months before the first SQ delivery and 21 months before the first EK delivery, that is PLENTY of time to work on refitting the Etihad frames.

EK did not want test aircraft. Etihad and SQ were willing to take them. That's life, I guess.

We'll see what EK has to say about it though.



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User currently offlineB2707SST From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 1369 posts, RR: 59
Reply 11, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 10460 times:

If this is accurate, it's absolutely unbelievable. Rather than moving heaven and earth to accomodate the A380's lynchpin customers -- EK and SQ -- and get them aircraft at the first possible moment, Airbus decides to play a shell game with delivery slots. Whatever EY's merits as a carrier, it is nowhere near EK, SQ, and QF in terms of prestige, has all of four frames on order, and also happens to be EK's crosstown competitor. It's hard to imagine that Airbus could not have worked out some arrangement whereby these slots could have gone to a more critical customer. The A380 story gets more bizarre by the day.

--B2707SST

[Edited 2006-10-05 07:24:41]


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User currently offlineOsiris30 From Barbados, joined Sep 2006, 3192 posts, RR: 26
Reply 12, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 10326 times:

Quoting B2707SST (Reply 11):
If this is accurate, it's absolutely unbelievable.

It really does make you wonder doesn't it?



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User currently offlineAstuteman From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 9976 posts, RR: 96
Reply 13, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 10199 times:
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Quoting B2707SST (Reply 11):
If this is accurate, it's absolutely unbelievable. Rather than moving heaven and earth to accomodate the A380's lynchpin customers -- EK and SQ -- and get them aircraft at the first possible moment, Airbus decides to play a shell game with delivery slots

Unless, of course, Airbus DID offer those aircraft to EK, but they declined them (wrong engines maybe? - just guessing).

Like you, I can't believe Airbus would callously piss off a 43 frame customer in favour of a 4 frame customer, without talking to them first.

Regards


User currently offlineFlyEmirates From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 10004 times:

I belive RR engines were installed on these aircraft, EK are going for engine alliance.

User currently offlineEbbUK From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 9894 times:

Quoting FlyEmirates (Reply 14):
I belive RR engines were installed on these aircraft, EK are going for engine alliance.

Yes of course quite logical, Thanks FlyEmirates.

Sorry Osiris30, not as much of a scandal as you'd want. The 380 is in a bad enough state thanks.


User currently offlineBrendows From Norway, joined Apr 2006, 1020 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 9743 times:

Quoting FlyEmirates (Reply 14):
I belive RR engines were installed on these aircraft, EK are going for engine alliance.

Three out of the four have RR engines, while the fourth has the GP7200 engines from EA (which will be changed to RR after the flight testing.)


User currently offlineKappel From Suriname, joined Jul 2005, 3533 posts, RR: 17
Reply 17, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 9710 times:

Quoting FlyEmirates (Reply 14):
I belive RR engines were installed on these aircraft, EK are going for engine alliance.

Isn't Etihad also going with EA engines? I read a while ago that the test aircraft were to be re-engined before delivery to Etihad, because they ordered EA engines.



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User currently offlineEjazz From United Arab Emirates, joined May 2002, 719 posts, RR: 34
Reply 18, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 9604 times:

Etihad opted for the RR engines to power its 4 A380s.


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User currently offlineNighthawk From UK - Scotland, joined Sep 2001, 5126 posts, RR: 34
Reply 19, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 9409 times:

Quoting Astuteman (Reply 13):
Like you, I can't believe Airbus would callously piss off a 43 frame customer in favour of a 4 frame customer, without talking to them first.

Your assuming that Airbus has not spoken to Emirates. How do you know emirates has not been informed of the move, and given permission for airbus to give them to EY ?



That'll teach you
User currently offlineAirbusA6 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 2010 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 9359 times:

Etihad bought the development aircraft, so naturally they will get them very early in the programme. If they had wanted brand new planes, they would be well down the delivery list.


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User currently offlineAstuteman From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 9976 posts, RR: 96
Reply 21, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 9338 times:
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Quoting Nighthawk (Reply 19):
Your assuming that Airbus has not spoken to Emirates. How do you know emirates has not been informed of the move, and given permission for airbus to give them to EY ?

Wrong way round, Nighthawk.
I actually meant that I can't believe Airbus would do that - ergo I believe they must have spoken to EK first  checkmark .
Replace "can't believe" with "don't believe" in my post if it clarifies my intent.  Smile

Regards


User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 22, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 9256 times:

Quoting B2707SST (Reply 11):
If this is accurate, it's absolutely unbelievable. Rather than moving heaven and earth to accomodate the A380's lynchpin customers -- EK and SQ -- and get them aircraft at the first possible moment, Airbus decides to play a shell game with delivery slots. Whatever EY's merits as a carrier, it is nowhere near EK, SQ, and QF in terms of prestige, has all of four frames on order, and also happens to be EK's crosstown competitor. It's hard to imagine that Airbus could not have worked out some arrangement whereby these slots could have gone to a more critical customer. The A380 story gets more bizarre by the day.



Quoting Astuteman (Reply 13):
Like you, I can't believe Airbus would callously piss off a 43 frame customer in favour of a 4 frame customer, without talking to them first.



Quoting AirbusA6 (Reply 20):
Etihad bought the development aircraft, so naturally they will get them very early in the programme. If they had wanted brand new planes, they would be well down the delivery list.

I don't think its impossible to believe....though there is a massive imbroglio of the IFE, wiring, etc...the certification process is going relatively smoothly....which means the A380 will be certified soon enough....that gives it more than enough time for Airbus to refurbish the plane and have it ready before EK's....

This has happened more as a result of Airbus situation more than anything else.....while EK probably isn't happy about it, I'm sure they are smart enough to understand what's happening...well..I would hope so... spin 



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User currently offlineThePRGuy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 8726 times:

If that is actually the case: ie EY being the first to operate a revenue service on the 380, then I can imagine that Emirates is not going to be a happy bunny.
Thanks
Alex


User currently offlineKatekebo From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 702 posts, RR: 6
Reply 24, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 8323 times:

I think it's a great way to piss-off your largest customer - well done, Airbus. Emotions are already flying high in Emirates, and this won't help to calm them down.

25 474218 : If it is taking Airbus over a year to re-wire the production aircraft how are they going to get all the wiring changed in the test aircraft in 2-3 mo
26 Post contains images Osiris30 : I'm not suggesting it's a scandal. I posted an article and stated I didn't think it was smart and/or a good move, regardless of the REASON for it. Cu
27 Shenzhen : I doubt that Airbus needs Emirates permission to sell an airframe to a competitor, which they did to Singapore and a host of other airlines. Emirates
28 Ken777 : I have a feeling that EY will get their planes with come very standard wiring. Even that assumes that Airbus will be able to handle some form of IFE f
29 Ejazz : Etihads planned interior will require a lot more than standard wiring believe me.
30 Ikramerica : He was talking in a "typical" certification program. See the 772LR for example. It took 2-3 months to refit each bird for PIA. But in this case, even
31 AndrewUber : That's an understatement!! I've seen drawings of their concept interior, and it's dramatic to say the least. But if the aircraft are coming straight
32 Bringiton : I bought some boeing just about a month back , and now am thinking about selling it at a pretty decent profit mind you!!
33 Post contains links and images Manni : http://in.news.yahoo.com/061005/137/688qo.html Is there an error in the article provided by Osiris? The above article mentioned 'second half'. Another
34 Stitch : Okay, that explains that. I was wondering how EY, with three(?) birds in the air doing tests, was not going to see a plane for a year or more (since
35 Manni : Thanks Stitch. How about those 12 options? What aircraft are involved?
36 Post contains images Ejazz : Stitch, EK and EY have no A346s as yet The 4 A346s will be delivered in 2007. 3 A345s have thus far been delivered this year with one more to enter t
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