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Ryanair Launches Takeover Bid For Aer Lingus  
User currently offlineCxsjr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (8 years 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 13729 times:

Just seen this on breakfast news; no other details right now, other than those on the link below:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/5408780.stm

[Edited 2006-10-05 09:37:11]

193 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineTrekster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (8 years 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 13686 times:

OH NO

Does that mean if they get EI they will have long haul??? God no


User currently offlineANother From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (8 years 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 13688 times:

Interesting. Could be a bargain considering what they could sell EI's LHR slots for ... Also gives them significant additional slots at DUB.

User currently offlinePilot21 From Ireland, joined exactly 15 years ago today! , 1384 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (8 years 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 13637 times:

Quoting ANother (Reply 2):
Could be a bargain considering what they could sell EI's LHR slots for ... Also gives them significant additional slots at DUB.

The Govt has retained around 27% of the shares to make sure the airline couldn't be bought just for the LHR slots, so disposing of them isn't an option at the moment.

The interesting bit in the Irish news is that MO'L is saying that he would keep the 2 airlines seperate!



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User currently offlineMRURUN From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2006, 155 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (8 years 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 13610 times:

Ha. I've said it before and i'l say it again, FR is afraid of EI, they are its only robust competition. This confirms it, and confirms that MoL has finally barked his last sane thought. Good luck with that Michael!!

User currently offlineJWMD123 From Ireland, joined May 2006, 867 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (8 years 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 13581 times:

Not a chance FR would be able to buy the company.

With the Govt 27% share and the Employees holding about 14% he won't get full control.

I think it would be a bad day in Irish Avaition if FR were to get there hands on EI. FR have a model that works for them. No doubt, even keeping the airlines seperate, some of that would spill into the EI model.
EI have a good model now with a low cost base, espically on T/A routes. It would lessen competition (I know MOL said he would let them compete, but if one is losing money, you know he will pull the route, wethere it is FR or EI) and give less choice to a consumer.
Why EI guys, why has it not tried this with another airline like Easy, FlyBe of Jet2.
Is this just a big publicity stunt even though they have bought shares (maybe they do see it as a good investment)? Or is FR really running scared of EI in DUB. Is this why we have had a lorry load of new routes before the flotation?


User currently offlineShamrock330 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (8 years 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 13558 times:

Well oh my God! I never saw this coming, not in a million years. Just heard Michael O' Leary on the radio announcing it, thought it was a nightmare.

I hope, if they succed on taking over, they don't run them into an extreme low cost operation like Ryanair. Gotta be honest I ain't happy at the prospect.


User currently offlinePilot21 From Ireland, joined exactly 15 years ago today! , 1384 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (8 years 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 13557 times:

FR wants to stop the best competition it has, but where we go from here will be interesting, especially as the Unions still have a strangle hold on EI, and after all the FR saga's in the past few yrs with workers trying to join unions, a lot of EI empolyees will be saying no.
(As pointed out above, employees own 14% and the Irish Govt has retained 27% of the shares.)



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User currently offlineRichM From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 803 posts, RR: 7
Reply 8, posted (8 years 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 13531 times:

If this went ahead, what would Ryanair do with Aer Lingus's Airbuses? What's the probability of seeing an A320 in a Ryanair livery?

[Edited 2006-10-05 10:01:45]

User currently offlineAlanUK From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (8 years 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 13421 times:

Quoting RichM (Reply 8):
What's the probability of seeing an A320 in a Ryanair livery?

Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo  yell 


User currently offlinePlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6824 posts, RR: 77
Reply 10, posted (8 years 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 13355 times:

Quoting Pilot21 (Reply 3):
The interesting bit in the Irish news is that MO'L is saying that he would keep the 2 airlines seperate!

Who does actually believe anything he says, considering his long history of preaching nonsense?

Quoting Shamrock330 (Reply 6):
I hope, if they succed on taking over, they don't run them into an extreme low cost operation like Ryanair. Gotta be honest I ain't happy at the prospect.

FR = low cost. Though, I don't believe for a second the takeover could become reality. Just cheap PR, as usual.


PH



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User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25426 posts, RR: 86
Reply 11, posted (8 years 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 13285 times:
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Quoting JWMD123 (Reply 5):
With the Govt 27% share and the Employees holding about 14% he won't get full control.

All he needs is 51%.

mariner



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User currently offlineProvance From Ireland, joined May 2006, 182 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (8 years 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 13275 times:

from FR's website


http://www.ryanair.com/site/EN/news....r=06&month=oct&story=fin-en-051006



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User currently offlineEI321 From Iraq, joined Jul 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (8 years 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 13230 times:

Quoting RichM (Reply 8):
If this went ahead, what would Ryanair do with Aer Lingus's Airbuses? What's the probability of seeing an A320 in a Ryanair livery?

Aer Lingus will remain as it is.

MOL spoke on Dublin Radio an hour ago, and said that he intends to keep the Aer Lingus brand as it is, wants to keep Mannion as EI CEO, and intends to further reduce EI fares by 2.5% per year.

As of now, Ryanair have aquired at least 16% of Aer Lingus Shares, and have offered a share price of €2.80 for the remainder.

It has been suggested that the compitition authority may intervien if Ryanair magages to get 25% of shares.


User currently offlineNighthawk From UK - Scotland, joined Sep 2001, 5167 posts, RR: 33
Reply 14, posted (8 years 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 13202 times:

So... when does the first ryanair flight land at LHR?? Big grin

I wonder if MOL will expand Aer Lingus by opening some European bases, and running the airline as a fairly cheap, with frills carrier? That would really scare the likes of BA / AF / LH ...



That'll teach you
User currently offlineMccormk From Ireland, joined Jun 2004, 41 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (8 years 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 13173 times:

on Ryanairs website mentioned by provence it lists benefits:
upgrade Aer Lingus transatlantic fleet and imrove product and give EI access to ryanairs low cost deliveries and low cost financing.


User currently offlineNighthawk From UK - Scotland, joined Sep 2001, 5167 posts, RR: 33
Reply 16, posted (8 years 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 13155 times:

From the press release:

There are benefits of combining these two Irish and European airlines into one group. To give
a flavour of what this offer - if successful - might mean to Aer Lingus, its stakeholders and the
people of Ireland and Europe, Ryanair intends to:-

� Reduce Aer Lingus� average short haul fare (�87.55 in 2005) by 2 �% a year for a
minimum period of four years;
� Reduce Aer Lingus� fuel surcharges as the price of oil falls from recent highs;
� Retain the Aer Lingus brand;
� Retain the Heathrow slots;
� Retain all profitable routes currently operated by Aer Lingus;
� Reduce Aer Lingus� costs through improved efficiencies and Ryanair�s superior
purchasing power;
� Give Aer Lingus access to the benefit of Ryanair�s lower cost aircraft deliveries and
lower cost financing facilities;
� Upgrade Aer Lingus� transatlantic fleet and improve its long haul product;
� Maintain Aer Lingus as a stand alone, separate company within one strong Irish airline
group under common ownership but run as separate competing airlines.



That'll teach you
User currently offlineDanny From Poland, joined Apr 2002, 3514 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (8 years 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 13097 times:

Quoting Nighthawk (Reply 16):
¿½ Reduce Aer Lingus� average short haul fare (�87.55 in 2005) by 2 �% a year for a
minimum period of four years;
� Reduce Aer Lingus� fuel surcharges as the price of oil falls from recent highs;
� Retain the Aer Lingus brand;
� Retain the Heathrow slots;
� Retain all profitable routes currently operated by Aer Lingus;
� Reduce Aer Lingus� costs through improved efficiencies and Ryanair�s superior
purchasing power;
� Give Aer Lingus access to the benefit of Ryanair�s lower cost aircraft deliveries and
lower cost financing facilities;
� Upgrade Aer Lingus� transatlantic fleet and improve its long haul product;
� Maintain Aer Lingus as a stand alone, separate company within one strong Irish airline
group under common ownership but run as separate competing airlines.

Come on. MOL is not buying EI to help EI. I don't believe in anything that he says. It is said to persuade EI employees to sell their shares.

I hope that the deal will not happen.


User currently offlineEI321 From Iraq, joined Jul 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (8 years 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 13082 times:

Quoting Nighthawk (Reply 14):
I wonder if MOL will expand Aer Lingus by opening some European bases, and running the airline as a fairly cheap, with frills carrier?

It already is a cheap some frills carrier......

Quoting RichM (Reply 8):
If this went ahead, what would Ryanair do with Aer Lingus's Airbuses? What's the probability of seeing an A320 in a Ryanair livery?

Its more likely that we could see a 738 in Aer Lingus livery......

But relax guys, this might be blocked by the compitition authoritys. This would be like throwing 90% of Irelands airline capacity into one company.


User currently offlineRichardw From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 3755 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (8 years 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 13039 times:

Quoting EI321 (Reply 18):
But relax guys, this might be blocked by the competition authorities

Exactly and inevitable.


User currently offlinePlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6824 posts, RR: 77
Reply 20, posted (8 years 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 13014 times:

MOL simply tries to eliminate one of the largest direct competitors - he can promise a lot but there would be always a way to get around that later. EI employees would dig their own grave by selling their shares.


PH



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User currently offlineColumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7078 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (8 years 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 12968 times:

Quoting RichM (Reply 8):
What's the probability of seeing an A320 in a Ryanair livery?


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Maybe Ryanair will then become the first no frills airline for transatlantic flights DUB-JFK :

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User currently offlineMaartenV From Netherlands, joined Aug 2005, 271 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (8 years 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 12863 times:

Call me naive, but I think MOL's plans make sense. EI could indeed get better financing deals and cheaper airplanes if it operated under the FR umbrella and there will also be other economies of scale advantages, which could make this combination work.


Its all about supply and demand...
User currently offlineNighthawk From UK - Scotland, joined Sep 2001, 5167 posts, RR: 33
Reply 23, posted (8 years 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 12863 times:

Quoting Columba (Reply 21):
Maybe Ryanair will then become the first no frills airline for transatlantic flights DUB-JFK :

FlyGlobespan has already taken that honour, possibly Zoom before them... ?



That'll teach you
User currently offlineDanny From Poland, joined Apr 2002, 3514 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (8 years 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 12846 times:

Quoting MaartenV (Reply 22):
Call me naive, but I think MOL's plans make sense.

Yes, his plan is very good... for FR. But not for EI and not for the passengers.


25 ThePRGuy : Errr? 27 + 14 = 41 He could get 59% giving FR control.... Who cares, two low cost crummy carriers coming together to produce an ALLIANCE of cruddy ai
26 Danny : I guess at least everybody in Ireland cares as this would create monpoly here. What is worst we would be forced to fly FR with its junk quality.
27 Eddie757 : Don't you think that this could be some kind of revolution in the sector? A low cost is trying to purchase a big traditional airline. I think this cou
28 PADSpot : With 27% the Irish Government has got a blocking minority. MOL couldn't do anyhing strategic (Such as selling slots at LHR) without their acceptance.
29 Mariner : Why would he want to sell the LHR slots? He scarcely needs the money, and they are extremely valuable - as slots - to any airline. Mariner
30 Toulouse : If that's the depth of what you can post, why both? Sorry, but MANY people care. Exactly. I would hate to see this happen... and where's my auld frie
31 Smokeyrosco : Not true, being a shareholder even a majority shareholder does not automatically make you a director. And even at that all the government would have
32 Richardw : But 51% shareholders have a powerful vote at shareholder meetings.
33 Kaitak : It comes to something when FR points out that EI's long haul product needs improving! Interesting also that they are pointing at greater purchasing p
34 Danny : This was not my quote but MOL's. In his mouth "improvement" could mean more seats, lower baggage allowance or in seat advertisement.
35 Provance : improving a produbt to MO'L could mean making passengers pay for their long haul in-flight service
36 VV701 : The Irish Government has now said it will not sell its shares. So I guess it is down to the employees and other shareholders. So the two important qu
37 Express1 : Ah looking at that modified A330,i can't see it somehow,or even the whole Aer Lingus fleet painted up in RyanAir colours,this would be a shame if Rya
38 HKGKaiTak : Interesting ... if FR could get EI's cost base down then they could have a good money spinner in their hands with trans-Atlantic services? Imagine a l
39 Joost : Nobody blocked Air France when they took over KLM; in the Netherlands, also over 90% of the airline capacity is in one company - and even a foreign o
40 Post contains images ThePRGuy : You already have junk quality with Aer Lingus!
41 JWMD123 : The big difference with your above examples are that they are companies in a country purchasing another company in another country. FR is a Irish bas
42 WorldTraveler : I agree w/ JWMD. I can't see that this is beneficial for Ireland or the EU.
43 Post contains images FlyinHigh : Absolutely. Something that EI should always remember!!
44 ANother : Nellie Kroes, actually. But good question. FR is likely to be EI's largest competitor, at least on routes within the EU - consolidation to this degre
45 Ias250 : Ryanair Makes Offer to Buy Aer Lingus for $1.88 Billion By ROD STONE and KEITH JOHNSON October 5, 2006 6:42 a.m. Budget airline Ryanair Holdings Thurs
46 Luv2fly : OK where is Pe@rson? James what is your take on this.
47 MichiganMAN : If the Irish people do not want this deal. stop flying FR and start flying EI.
48 EbbUK : If this goes through then goodbye EI Airbus fleet. Gosh a low cost carrier swallowing up a national carrier? Could they cope?
49 NYC777 : Ok BREAKING NEWS: Aer Lingus Rejects Ryanair's Offer and advises shareholders to take no action. Just off Bloomberg.
50 N328KF : Lesse...HP/US, anybody?
51 RyanairCRL : maybe not all of them but I'm sure most of the shareholders are investors. People who bought EI's shares to make money. do they really care about wha
52 N328KF : Well, right now, Volkswagen just bought 15% of MAN AG. They own just slightly more as a percentage of Scania AB. Northwest held about 20% of Continen
53 Post contains links Cumulus : Aer Lingus, as said by NYC777, has rejected the offer. This is political, I'm certain of it. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/5408780.stm
54 Post contains images BA787 : So true. If it comes off then it makes me glad EI are out of oneworld. Imagine MOL and WW sat across the table from each other This cannot happen, if
55 Planesarecool : And would probably lower fares significantly in the process. And lower fares.
56 Express1 : hehehe i would now love to see the Ryanair's bosses face on this one well done Aer Lingus for saying no. dave
57 Post contains images Shamrock350 : I hope Aer Lingus, its investors and employees pull through this basic attack on Aer Lingus from Ryanair. All Ryanair want is to get rid of EI and bec
58 N328KF : I sort of figured that RyanAir (and easyJet) were not so much Irish (or British) airlines as much as they were the first of a new class of European a
59 NYC777 : Couldn't Ryanair launch a hostile bid as well as continue to buy up more shares such that they could have a controlling interest in EI?
60 Post contains images PlaneHunter : Saving between 50 and 100 Euro on a transatlantic flight would be such a great deal - considering one has to pay for drinks and food, any kind of ent
61 Danny : This is exactly what they are doing. They did not ask EI board to merge with FR. They announced that they already have 16% and called for other share
62 RyanairCRL : hold on...do you think for 1min that MO'L wasn't waiting for this ? Do you really think he was hoping that EI would say "Oh yeah, let's get together.
63 Pilot21 : They could, but FR shouldn't want to go down this route if they have to take EI by force (hence the cavet from MO'L that the share purchase price is
64 Planesarecool : So you're assuming that the cabins onboard long haul aircraft will be the same as those on the B737-800's? Compare First Choice's short haul product
65 Pilot21 : I thought the new B738's didn't because Boeing charge extra for them which MO'L wasn't prepared to pay??
66 Travelin man : The time for "national" carriers is over in Europe. Each country does not need to have one (or multiple) "flag" carriers. Ask Belgium. Ask Switzerland
67 Spoke2Spoke : Do you think Ryanair's bid has anything to do with their attempts to change future terminal plans at DUB? There's another thread around right now conc
68 Cumulus : I once paid £1.00 return with EI LHR-DUB plus taxes. Doesn't really get a great deal cheaper than that does it?
69 Pilot21 : Belgium = Sabena = Went Bust Switzerland = Swissair = Went Bust Netherlands = KLM = Wasn't in too bad a shape, but needed work Ireland = Aer Lingus =
70 EI321 : Aer Lingus rejects Ryanair takeover bid 05/10/2006 The board of Aer Lingus has told shareholders that it had unanimously rejected the offer from Ryana
71 EbbUK : hardly the same. EI is hardly on its knees. Equally that if I am reminded correctly was a merger not a takeover. MoL was a big critic of national air
72 Post contains links PlaneHunter : It's likely they would cut anything possible in order to save costs. Would they? If the price is clearly lower than the competitor's (at first sight)
73 RyanairCRL : it was rumoured a while back but hasn't been done yet. the new aircrafts don't have reclinable seats and the seats have been blocked on old ones. the
74 CRGsFuture : The main question I have is will FR actually take over EI? Right now in my opinion EI is on the brink not knowing what to do. Everyone is hoping they
75 Planesarecool : Window shades come as standard on the B737-800, and it's more hassle for FR to remove them, and doesn't save much in terms of weight lost. So FR airc
76 Travelin man : But it wasn't that long ago that Aer Lingus was in danger of going under. Besides, airlines of all economic states have been taken over. Just because
77 Express1 : what he was hoping for didn't happen, did it,so why dont he quit while his ahead dave
78 RyanairCRL : wow, that's some news. I didn't know every single person or group that had bought EI's shares had said no to FR...please provide me with a source all
79 N328KF : Yes, but RyanAir does not have to sway 57% of shareholders. They only have to convince 34%.
80 Mariner : If you own 51% of any company, you have effective ownership of the company - any company. But yes, I was averaging. Michael O'Leary does not need 51%
81 Shamrock350 : Ryanair now have 19.2% of EI shares but MOL is convinced that they will get 57% soon. What does EK have to say about that because from what I have hea
82 Danny : By this evening FR had already 19,2% stake. However price increased to 2,90 which indicates that to be succesful MOL may be forced to pay more. But i
83 Ei2ksea : This quote Pilot21 is of the reasons why this will receive a large amount of negative attention from both the irish government and competition watchd
84 Poitin : What he needs is 50.1% of the votes, not stock. More likely, if he had 35% of the stock, he can get support from enough others to elect a board of di
85 ClassicLover : Sure, and with Ryanair and their cash, don't you think that perhaps we wouldn't have to always travel to LHR to get anywhere decent?
86 Mariner : 50.01% gives him effective "ownership". The Irish government stake is another matter. Yes, he may be able to influence others with slightly less than
87 MRURUN : Bloody awful. Come on BA, we know you've been sniffing. Likewise EK, get those Dinars out. Its time to make an investment.
88 Thebry : Mixed fleet at last!! Sounds like NG737-800's are in store here (more efficient than A320) 787's anyone? More efficient than A330s
89 Shamrock350 : I would not like to see BA after Aer Lingus and Willie Walsh has said they are of no interest to them but on the other hand EK has said nothing and ro
90 N328KF : The Wall Street Journal pointed out that it was comments from Aer Lingus that may have triggered this. Last year, EI's CEO suggested that Aer Lingus c
91 Poitin : Can't argue that it is better to OWN 50.1%. However, my point is that he may not need it all to CONTROL the board. All MO'L really needs is 50.1% of
92 JWMD123 : Was not this part of the point to privatise the company, so they can raise funds on the open market, purchase more planes and fly to more places so w
93 Post contains links Mariner : And I agreed with you. Or I intended to. http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...601087&sid=aiPK8jDa60Es&refer=home That was my point. This article is
94 ClassicLover : Indeed, but MOL is also on record saying that the current board will remain once he has his 50%.
95 Poitin : No, not exactly what he or I said. MOL said he would like to keep the present MANAGEMENT, but he did not talk about the board. Second, I was merely p
96 Post contains images ClassicLover : I think most of Ireland feels the same way
97 Poitin : Maybe the the Dagda will come from Tir Na nOg, tie MOL into a ball and make him promise to behave. It's either that or we all go to mass this Sunday
98 ClassicLover : Sure, what he is saying makes sense. Educate me - how many times has MOL said something and not followed through? I'm curious to know. People do chan
99 Poitin : We can only pray. As I said, what he says he is going to do could be great and grand. I really hope it is. I really, really hope he is decided to do
100 ClassicLover : I'm always optimistic - we'll see how it goes. Interesting times indeed!
101 Sam1987 : Update: EI has rejected FR's bid.
102 N328KF : They did that earlier. It matters for nought. All FR has to do is convince 50.01% of voting shares to their side and they can force a board election.
103 Sllevin : Two things: 1) there's no monopoly issue, really, since anyone in the EU can fly to Ireland and operate from there without issue. 2) I believe the Dai
104 Post contains images Poitin : You got it 100%.
105 Braybuddy : Why do the words "publicity" and "stunt" come to mind? Between the Comptetition Authority, the EU monopolies regulations (and remember, MOL hasn't exa
106 VV701 : Depends on what you class as a competitor. SV owns 49 per cent of VS. While SV is a member of Star Alliance, VS is not and they do compete on routes
107 Jetdeltamsy : Well..dahhhh. No kiddning. It's called a free market. Any company worth their salt would like to have a monopoloy in the home market. I hope EI does
108 PlaneHunter : The window shades are the smallest issue in terms of comfort. If you google through the net, you'll find many more similar articles. I simply provide
109 ANother : In Competition law terms the question is what is the 'market'. For example MOL is saying that FR and EI only fly head-to-head between a few city/airp
110 Post contains images BCAL : MOL has certainly said statements that might not go down well at the weekly meeting of the Women's Institute, but I have never, never heard his preac
111 PlaneHunter : "Who wants to go to Gdańsk? There ain't a lot there after you've seen the shipyard wall." "Screw the travel agents. Take the fuckers out and sho
112 Post contains images 9MMAR : I think our friend Pe@rson must be very happy with this development. His signature proves true. Ryanair is indeed Ireland's national airline!!! He is
113 BCAL : Although not good publicity for the Gdañsk tourist board, an element of truth perhaps, as there is not that much to see there? IIRC the travel agent
114 PlaneHunter : Strange that GDN is served by three FR bases today...apparently there are people who want to go to GDN and even pay money for it. It was a ridiculous
115 Pe@rson : Probably because I have just returned from two days’ off. Anyway, all I will say for now is: 1) FR can purchase enough shares for a takeover; and 2
116 EI321 : They can in theory get their hands on a majority stake, but they wont get all of the shares. Not true.
117 LTBEWR : Interesting development. I would suspect that he would have to keep the 2 companies separate, but could get economies of scale as well as a huge expan
118 Post contains links Joost : MOL openly admitted later that his first judgement of the Polish was wrong. http://www.rte.ie/business/2005/0803/ryanair.html Can't anyone make a mis
119 Post contains links PlaneHunter : It doesn't matter how it was meant or whether it's a "misjudgement" - the statement was pure nonsense. He probably tried to impress the press or his
120 Post contains images Pe@rson : My girlfriend and I visited GDN for two days - and thoroughly loved it. Indeed, we considered the old town to be better - and far less touristy - tha
121 BCAL : Like has already been said, many of the passengers could be Polish people working in the UK, Sweden or Germany, or passengers VFR, rather than touris
122 ThrottleHold : MOL doesn't talk nonsense....he's just a lying bullsh*ter.
123 Danny : As Pearson says, there is a lot to see in Gdansk. Probably one of the most interesting cities in the whole Eastern Europe. MOL had no clue what is wa
124 Post contains images PlaneHunter : And MOL had that in mind and simply tried to point out the touristic potential, sure... I'd rather suggest he generally bashed a destination in order
125 EI321 : Current Aerlingus Share pices is €2.95
126 ThrottleHold : It had hit 2.99 at one point.
127 Poitin : Looking at Bloomberg (AERL:LN) the volume is down to about 22 million shares from the 60 million of yesterday, so while lower, there are still a lot o
128 Btriple7 : I didn't see this one coming!!!! Regards, Btriple7
129 BA787 : I really hope some shareholders stop him Ill even buy a few shares if it means he doesn;t get full control
130 Planesarecool : So why did you bring it up? Especially as it isn't even true. No, but you brought the article up, and I'm saying it's useless and backing it up with
131 PlaneHunter : It was widely reported that window shades would not be installed any more - do a google search for "window shades+Ryanair" and you'll see. Though, I
132 Post contains links Kaitak : Interesting report on the news section: http://today.reuters.co.uk/news/arti...S-AERLINGUS-RYANAIR-CEO-URGENT.XML FR will remain a long term sharehold
133 RyanairCRL : because the press likes "scandals". imagine how big it would have been an aircraft with no blinds...so everyone talked about it. FR doing it was even
134 Poitin : Translation: "If you think I'm eejit enough to rush into buying EI at E3, when I can set back and buy it up at E2.50, then you don't understand." MOL
135 PlaneHunter : Aviation magazines usually do not emphasize possible "scandals". PH
136 Planesarecool : And when were window shades subject of the thread? Because you read what you want to read, and reporters report what they want to report. Just go on
137 Post contains images PlaneHunter : Just scroll up, then you see it. Do you actually read my posts? I clearly said some minutes ago that it was widely reported that new FR planes would
138 Limaechooscar : Aer Lingus needs investment from another Major airline to turn it back into the excellent airline it once was. The govt have made yet another bad move
139 Post contains images Mariner : So - in review: You would prefer that the Irish airline be owned by a foreigner, rather than by an Irishman who runs one of the most financially succ
140 Ukair : Michael O'leary is to Ireland what Richard Branson is to the UK
141 LimaEchoOscar : Aer Lingus will resist takeover: Mannion 06 October 2006 22:01 Aer Lingus Chief Executive Dermot Mannion said he is certain the company will remain an
142 LimaEchoOscar : Aer Lingus 'not seeking white knight' October 06, 2006 19:52 Aer Lingus chief executive Dermot Mannion has said he is certain Aer Lingus will remain a
143 Post contains images LimaEchoOscar : It doesn't matter where they are from....It is where they are at..! "Foreigner" is not a word i would favour. If you could picture yourself in space l
144 LimaEchoOscar : I don't think Dickie Branson would be too impressed to hear that. I would certainly favour him over MOL. At least he treats his workers with respect!
145 Planesarecool : Last time i checked, window blinds had nothing to do with Ryanair launching a take over bid for Aer Lingus. You brought it up, so i'm allowed to brin
146 PlaneHunter : Possible cost cutting measures as a result fit very well in that thread. The error in the article was a coincidence - as I said, there were numerous
147 Mariner : What about them? I am not aware that Ryanair's employees have often been on strike, or are in leaving in droves? ??? mariner[Edited 2006-10-07 08:40:
148 Post contains links PlaneHunter : Ryanair is not known for treating its workforce well - I guess many EI employees would rather prefer a takeover by a carrier like LH. Some articles g
149 Mariner : Whatever disputes there may be, or have been, Ryanair does not appear to have any trouble retaining staff or hiring new, and I do not remember the st
150 PlaneHunter : Of course they don't struggle to find new staff - certain fast food chains (paying ridiculous wages) and certain supermarket chains in Germany (known
151 Mariner : If you are saying the work conditions at Ryanair are "inhuman" - and have some evidence of this - you should immediately contact a member of the Euro
152 PlaneHunter : I don't know whether working conditions at FR are inhuman - I simply said many people would accept any kind of treatment in order to prevent unemploy
153 Mariner : You used "inhuman" in regard to various European employers. Since we are discussing Ryanair, your clear implication is that Ryanair is part of that g
154 PlaneHunter : It COULD be - all the reports I linked to don't really suggest the opposite. These people are simply more concerned about the possible consequences f
155 Mariner : I can't speak for anyone else, or why they think what they do. But if what you claim (from your perspective, of course) is true, they have very littl
156 Post contains images LimaEchoOscar : ryanair did not charge fuel surcharges, because it only operates on european routes. Fuel charges were only introduced by major airlines on long haul
157 LimaEchoOscar : Those responses were to "mariner" not "planehunter"
158 Post contains links Joost : Oh, they did (and do!). KLM: http://www.klm.com/travel/corporate_.../press_releases/index.htm?id=46567 Lufthansa: http://konzern.lufthansa.com/en/htm
159 Pe@rson : Fair enough. But all of that can be rebutted with reference to two words in your profile: "EI staff." Ryanair. Ireland's national airline. Ryanair. E
160 RyanairCRL : com' on Pe@rson, you can understand the guy. now he's gonna have to work to earn his money. this summer I was comparing with my cousin who works for
161 Post contains images PlaneHunter : Ludicrous - Delta isn't the world's preferred airline either just because it carries more passengers than any other airline on the planet. It's quite
162 EI321 : A good post, RyanairCRL. Maybe it will set a few people straight. I presume they are 10 l/h flights?
163 Pe@rson : Got your back up, eh? Ryanair. Europe's preferred airline. LOL. I like that. My girlfriend's younger sister is set to become a cabin crew member. I b
164 PlaneHunter : Where's the argument? Can you elaborate on that? PH
165 Post contains images RyanairCRL : after a few years doing North and South America, he now shifted to Asia
166 ANother : Would some moderator kindly close this thread? It has moved too far from the original topic. If you pro/anti-FR posters don't mind - please take your
167 Pe@rson : My interpretation: He means that FR cabin crew work harder than cabin crew for other airlines; indeed, he is implying that for would-be cabin crew me
168 Pe@rson : I agree. I apologise to those that have been annoyed by the argument primarily between P.H. and myself. If it's OK with him, let's end it and concent
169 Post contains images Poitin : Yes, indeed. Why don't you two start your own thread and call it "The Never Ending Pe@rson/PH debate."
170 RyanairCRL : how about MRURUN, he seems to like debating with Pe@rson as well...but we're off-topic as well. But it is doomed to be this way everytime you start a
171 JWMD123 : FR have not bought any shares since they increased there holding to 20%. They are not allowed to. This is due to them putting an offer of E2.80 a shar
172 Post contains images Poitin : Good IDEA! --- filler
173 Kaitak : Very good points, JWMD123; another point to add is that if as a result of this purchase, FR has exhausted lots of its cash and resources, that's sure
174 JWMD123 : I would be verry worried on that level. Now I am not saying that FR are in any trouble soon but it is always something to think about. I understand M
175 Post contains links Kaitak : I think he is looking at Jetstar in particular, as it begins its A330 operations from Oz to HNL; that said, of course, he (and I'm sure EI) will be lo
176 Poitin : That offer was rejected formally by EI board. It is off the table. FR can make a new offer, which I doubt they will, but they are buying, if not them
177 JWMD123 : What you are saying is that FR change their whole operation. MOL is very quick to tell every one, he is a point to point airline and does not do conn
178 BCAL : Nobody knows what is MOL's thinking, so all we can do is to speculate. However, if you consider how MOL has built up FR from a small fledging Irish c
179 Poitin : FR will still be an inter European airline, working point to point. EI will be a seperate airline. There is nothing changing in FRs business except a
180 Poitin : Better known as FR and EI, with the EI short haul done by FR wet leasing. (see below) There is NO need for a real EI short haul. Here's where you are
181 JWMD123 : Poitin, I am confused. You say they FR will continue to be a point to point airline, yet your example of going from the US to Lativa means that is no
182 Poitin : I think you are confusing interlining, that is going on a trip with one ticket, but using two or more airlines to do it, with divisions of a large co
183 Post contains images Mariner : Perhaps you don't remember Michael MacLiammoir. He was a great Irish actor, he brought enetrtainment - and the classics - to the masses. But he used
184 ANother : From FR's website: To interline would be a significant shift to their business model. I, personally, doubt they will even try.
185 RyanairCRL : don't mean to be rude here but you're 100% WRONG. I don't have the exact numbers (but Pe@rson does) but i'm pretty sure we're right at the top in "on
186 Poitin : If this is true, why is MOL doing what he is doing? He is changing his model because he has pretty much soaked up all the business he can with his pr
187 Post contains images LimaEchoOscar : 2 words stand out in your profile "this and that" EI FA on euro routes are home every night too. Did you assume they live in hotels? The only euro EI
188 Post contains images Poitin : I accept your admonishment -- I was merely assuming the worse about FR. I do not have figures as you do. And you weren't being rude, but indignant As
189 JWMD123 : Poitin, need I say any more. It is not going to change and i can bet my bottom dollar on that.
190 Poitin : Then we shall simply argee to disagree and wait and see what happens. However, you have not explained why MOL is doing what he is doing. He is not bu
191 Post contains images BA787 : I can think of a few phrases Can we also stop the FR vs EI staff war we are getting in this thread. They're both extremely different airlines, I thin
192 JWMD123 : IMO Publicity and expensive at that!!!!
193 Poitin : I doubt he is doing a SRB, but possible. Hopefully, his attempt fails because the more I think about it, the more I don't like what will happen to th
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