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35 Most Delayed Flights On DL And Affiliates  
User currently offlineSeeTheWorld From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 1325 posts, RR: 4
Posted (7 years 12 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 6541 times:

The most recent DOT data out shows that the Top 35 most delayed flights in the U.S. are all on DL (2) and DL subsidiaries (33) fairly evenly split between JFK and ATL. All delayed at least 90% of the time except the last one.

http://airconsumer.ost.dot.gov/reports/2006/October/0610atcr.pdf

[Edited 2006-10-05 15:00:00]

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User currently offlineB777-700 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (7 years 12 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 6525 times:

Quoting SeeTheWorld (Thread starter):
The most recent DOT data out shows that the Top 35 most delayed flights in the U.S. are all on DL (2) and DL subsidiaries (33) fairly evenly split between JFK and ATL. All delayed at least 90% of the time except the last one.

Delta is suffering at ATL right now due to the construction, weather, and any combination of. It's not good. New York is New York.


User currently onlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6771 posts, RR: 17
Reply 2, posted (7 years 12 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 6516 times:

Quoting B777-700 (Reply 1):
New York is New York.

Which is worst... New York being New York, or Philadelphia being Philadelphia?

I'm just wondering cause I absolutely hate flying through PHL, but haven't flown through NYC in YEARS.



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User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4676 posts, RR: 11
Reply 3, posted (7 years 12 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 6483 times:

Quoting B777-700 (Reply 1):
Delta is suffering at ATL right now due to the construction, weather, and any combination of. It's not good. New York is New York.

I dont think its as much ATL as it is Delta connection

read the full report and you'll see DL mainline isnt anywhere near as bad.

This is unfortunate becuase Delta mainline has really evolved into a good domestic product and they are working on making it better, however they have totally neglected DL connection and every time ive flown them its been nothing short of a disaster.... 18 hrs of delay over 8 flights since may, mostly on DL conn flights. In contrary, i broke my 5 year DL loyalty and tried airtran... 30 min early on ATL-BOS and 20 min early BOS-ATL.....

Ill say it again, its NOT ATL.... its ASA/Comair!



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User currently offlinePhollingsworth From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 825 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (7 years 12 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 6423 times:

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 3):
I dont think its as much ATL as it is Delta connection

read the full report and you'll see DL mainline isnt anywhere near as bad.
...
In contrary, i broke my 5 year DL loyalty and tried airtran... 30 min early on ATL-BOS and 20 min early BOS-ATL.....

Ill say it again, its NOT ATL.... its ASA/Comair!

It is not even that simple, at least for OH, I will give you EV which is a complete cluster. All of the OH operations which show up on the list except for two involve JFK and/or ATL (The two that don't are RDU to/from LGA flights). Notice that CVG, which is very heavy in OH ops comes out with top 3 ontime arrival and departure stats.

I don't know who has ultimate dispatch control for DCI flights operated by EV and OH, but it would not suprise me that DL would force those flights to be late to maintain ontime percentages for their mainline flights. Since ATL was effectively broken for much of the last year (look at FL's numbers), airlines were going to take delays. If you have control it would be smarter to hit flights with fewer pax (maybe less competition?) hard and try and save those flights with lots of pax and competition.

Interesting about FL and ATL-BOS, but everytime I do a BOS-ATL leg on FL it has been delayed by >1 hr. My delays on the DL runs haven't been as bad.


User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4676 posts, RR: 11
Reply 5, posted (7 years 12 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 6395 times:

Actually i shoukd have changed it to ASA/Mesa!

That was the last straw with my Delta loyalty
ATL-LIT last monday, they delayed the flight in 15-20 min increments for 4 hours!!! then they cancelled it, so we had to fly to MEM then drive to LIT. !st we had no captain, then we were ready to board, then somehow we had no f/a (it was morning so i doubt they timed out).

My DL conn flights since may.. not ONE was remotely on time:
DAB-ATL 2hrs..weather
ATL-PVD 2 hrs..weather
ATL-HPN 3 hrs... ASA disoragnization (2 a/c changes, 4 gate changes!)
ATL-LIT 4 hrs..xld arr LIT 8 hrs late...crew issues w/ Mesa

Whats it worth to Delta?... 2,500 skymiles or $75...they can kiss my Silver Medallion and $900 fares to LIT goodbye!

Again...no problems with DL mainline.... but with 60% of your domestic network is DL Connection, it needs to become more of a focus



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User currently offlineB777-700 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (7 years 12 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 6378 times:

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 5):
DAB-ATL 2hrs..weather
ATL-PVD 2 hrs..weather

Can't to anything about that.

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 5):
ATL-HPN 3 hrs... ASA disoragnization

You're perception, now what was the real reason? Gimme some flight information, and I can find out.

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 5):
ATL-LIT 4 hrs..xld arr LIT 8 hrs late...crew issues w/ Mesa

Um, Mesa isn't operating ATL-LIT for Delta. Even so, what was causing the crew issues? It could have been WX or ATC.

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 5):
but with 60% of your domestic network is DL Connection, it needs to become more of a focus

Where did you get that number? That seems awful high.


User currently offlineVikingA346 From Sweden, joined Oct 2006, 515 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 12 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 6358 times:

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 2):
I'm just wondering cause I absolutely hate flying through PHL

ERJ - just curious.. You'd rather fly through JFK than PHL? Why do you loathe PHL? I was based in PHL for a long time and never really had any trouble with the airport. JFK is just a big mess, just like NYC is.



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User currently onlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6771 posts, RR: 17
Reply 8, posted (7 years 12 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 6332 times:

In the past 2 years, I've flown through philadelphia a dozen or so times (if I fly US, I prefer CLT) and of the dozen or so times, I have left on time once. usually it is delayed from initial departure and my flight has left.. it's just a mess.. and if someone spits in PHL, the airport gets delayed... it's just my option, but I will avoid PHL unless I absolutely have to do it.. and then I will just have to take the consequences..


Aiming High and going far..
User currently offlineFlyDeltaJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1887 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (7 years 12 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 6268 times:
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I can speak for the DCI and mainline delyas at JFK. DCI is a mess lack of manpower constant switch of ship of flights and operation too large for it's current space. As for mainline, many delays are from the baggage room bring late bags. I think that it is better that you leave 10 min late and get you luggage than leave 20 min early without your bags.


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User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4676 posts, RR: 11
Reply 10, posted (7 years 12 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 6267 times:

Quoting B777-700 (Reply 6):
You're perception, now what was the real reason? Gimme some flight information, and I can find out.

7/26 DL 4158 ATL-HPN
2 a/c changes
4 gate changes
complete lack of information, same with another flight at the same gate, the captain of that flight grabbed the pic form the CSA and explained the situation to the pax.... out captain also appologized for the lack of information once they closed our boarding door. (the crew had been waiting with us the whole time too, so they were equally frustrated)

Quoting B777-700 (Reply 6):
Um, Mesa isn't operating ATL-LIT for Delta. Even so, what was causing the crew issues? It could have been WX or ATC.

9/25 DL 6107 Freedom Air ATL-LIT
after 3 hrs we finally had a captain, then we were waiting for clearance to board, then we had no f/a.... then they cancelled

ATL-MEM/LIT-ATL is $600 when ATL-LIT is $918... DL doesn't think they should have to give a $318 voucher for the difference!

Quoting B777-700 (Reply 6):
Where did you get that number? That seems awful high.

Somone on here posted statistics recently on the RJ/Mainline ratio for domestic and i believe thats what DL's was.

Ive been Delta loyal for 5 years now, but they really have blown it... DL connection on routes that should be..(PVD) then the thinning mainline routes make upgrades harder and harder...Id tough it out if it seemed like they were doing something about it....



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User currently offlineB777-700 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (7 years 12 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 6231 times:

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 10):
7/26 DL 4158 ATL-HPN
2 a/c changes
4 gate changes



Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 10):
out captain also appologized for the lack of information once they closed our boarding door. (the crew had been waiting with us the whole time too, so they were equally frustrated)

That was a mx delay. But looking at some other factors, the crew was not your friend here. Now that I can read the ops notes, I get the impression the gate staff was up against a lot.

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 10):
9/25 DL 6107 Freedom Air ATL-LIT

Oh right, they operate that under Freedom, thats whay I wasn't finding it. Anyway, it was crew rest - complication of weather. So of your list of 4 delays, only one was company fault.

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 10):
ATL-MEM/LIT-ATL is $600 when ATL-LIT is $918... DL doesn't think they should have to give a $318 voucher for the difference!

And they shouldn't, the delay / cx was the result of weather. Now, lets say this was something that was Delta's fault, like a mx. I still don't understand where MEM comes into this...Can you explain your above statement a little better and what exactly you're asking for?


User currently offlinePanamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4913 posts, RR: 25
Reply 12, posted (7 years 12 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 6221 times:
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Quoting VikingA346 (Reply 7):
You'd rather fly through JFK than PHL?

While I can't speak for PHL, JFK during the non-late afternoon/evening-peak hours is actually OK.

Quoting FlyDeltaJets (Reply 9):
at JFK. DCI is a mess lack of manpower constant switch of ship of flights and operation too large for it's current space.

Yes, DCI has certainly taken a turn for the worse at JFK with the switch to gates 23-25 in Terminal 2. It was never this bad when they had the flights split between Gates 11 and 18 in Terminal 3. The waiting area at Gate 11 was pretty large and I never saw the crowds there that I now see at 23.

Quoting FlyDeltaJets (Reply 9):
As for mainline, many delays are from the baggage room bring late bags. I think that it is better that you leave 10 min late and get you luggage than leave 20 min early without your bags.

Another thing I've noticed that contributes quite a bit to the delays has been the congested alleyways between Terminals 3 and 2, as well as between Terminals 2 and 1. Often, an aircraft ready to push back has to wait for 2-3 others to push back first and then wait for another 2-3 inbound a/c to taxi in, etc. The other pushbacks cannot occur as the a/c ahead of them is told to hold due to congestion in the taxiing queue, etc. Leaving on a mainline flight out of Gate 26 at T2 during rush hour for example, is truly dreadful as you often have to wait for the heavies heading into and out of Terminal 1.


User currently offlineFlyDeltaJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1887 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (7 years 12 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 6189 times:
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Quoting Panamair (Reply 12):
Another thing I've noticed that contributes quite a bit to the delays has been the congested alleyways between Terminals 3 and 2, as well as between Terminals 2 and 1. Often, an aircraft ready to push back has to wait for 2-3 others to push back first and then wait for another 2-3 inbound a/c to taxi in, etc. The other pushbacks cannot occur as the a/c ahead of them is told to hold due to congestion in the taxiing queue, etc. Leaving on a mainline flight out of Gate 26 at T2 during rush hour for example, is truly dreadful as you often have to wait for the heavies heading into and out of Terminal 1.

Now that is even more of a problem becuase first. That taxiway is controlled by TOGA and second all wide bodys have to be towed onto the active because of the construction.



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User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4676 posts, RR: 11
Reply 14, posted (7 years 12 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 6156 times:

Quoting B777-700 (Reply 11):
That was a mx delay. But looking at some other factors, the crew was not your friend here. Now that I can read the ops notes, I get the impression the gate staff was up against a lot.

Thats a Delta problem, not mine

Quoting B777-700 (Reply 11):
Oh right, they operate that under Freedom, thats whay I wasn't finding it. Anyway, it was crew rest - complication of weather. So of your list of 4 delays, only one was company fault.

It was a bright sunny day there in ATL.... if they knew there was a crew rest issue, then why delay it in 15-20 min increments for FOUR HOURS? You would think crew scheduling would have more flexibility at a hub, id be more understanding if it was at an out-station the morning after. Not noon the next day at a hub.

Quoting B777-700 (Reply 11):
And they shouldn't, the delay / cx was the result of weather. Now, lets say this was something that was Delta's fault, like a mx. I still don't understand where MEM comes into this...Can you explain your above statement a little better and what exactly you're asking for?

The other LIT flights were full, and we were already late for the conference as it was, so the quickest way to get there was to fly to MEM and drive to LIT. MEM is usually 1/3 of what it costs to fly to LIT, but we pay that premium for a reason.

Just an example... if i spent the same $$$ i did on ATL-BOS in F as i did for ATL-LIT in Y... id have over 10,000 MQMs more than i do now for the SAME PRICE...Giving DL lots of high fare business in return for this type of service and low medallion miles just doesnt make sense...



Experience is what you get when what you thought would work out didn't!
User currently offlineB777-700 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (7 years 12 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 6095 times:

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 14):
Thats a Delta problem, not mine

Never said it was.

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 14):
It was a bright sunny day there in ATL....

Weather isn't always where you're at. If it was a crew rest situation, the weather was most likely the night before, either in ATL, their point of origin, or in route.

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 14):
if they knew there was a crew rest issue, then why delay it in 15-20 min increments for FOUR HOURS?

Because they were trying to find a FA apparently.

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 14):
You would think crew scheduling would have more flexibility at a hub, id be more understanding if it was at an out-station the morning after. Not noon the next day at a hub.

You'd think that, wouldn't you? Unfortunately that's not always the case. In this day and age, crews are utilized to their highest degree. There's not always extra crew around, regardless of the city.

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 14):
The other LIT flights were full, and we were already late for the conference as it was, so the quickest way to get there was to fly to MEM and drive to LIT. MEM is usually 1/3 of what it costs to fly to LIT, but we pay that premium for a reason.

Ok, then no, you would not get over half your fare back. You'd get the difference between MEM and LIT back, based on the actual distance difference between the two cities. This is standard practice in the industry.

I missed the following from your previous post...

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 10):
Somone on here posted statistics recently on the RJ/Mainline ratio for domestic and i believe thats what DL's was.

60% of Delta's capacity is DCI? That can't be right. There's so many things wrong with that comment, I dont even know where to begin. 'Someone on here'...This website is so full of false information, it's not even funny...and 'You believe' that's what it was? I'm not buying that until a reliable source can come up w/ some numbers.

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 10):
Ive been Delta loyal for 5 years now, but they really have blown it...

I'm sorry to hear that. I hope you find an airline that doesn't have delays.

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 10):
DL connection on routes that should be..

Delta, or any airline, will put the aircraft that they have the most likely chance of making a profit with on that route.

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 10):
then the thinning mainline routes make upgrades harder and harder...

There's been capacity reductions, how is this different than just about any other airline? That is an unfortunate result, but a necessary one.

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 10):
Id tough it out if it seemed like they were doing something about it....

I'm sorry, but you have unrealistic expectations. This is a carrier that needed to make changes. Fortunately a vast majority of people understand the company need to do what it takes, I'm sure delta is sorry it lost you, but you're asking for something that simply cannot be done.


User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4676 posts, RR: 11
Reply 16, posted (7 years 12 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 6046 times:

First off, i do appreciate your comments, im not venting my delta frustrations on you...

Quoting B777-700 (Reply 15):
60% of Delta's capacity is DCI? That can't be right. There's so many things wrong with that comment

I believe it was 60% of departures/flight NOT capacity.. i wouldnt have believed it if it said capacity either.

Quoting B777-700 (Reply 15):
Ok, then no, you would not get over half your fare back. You'd get the difference between MEM and LIT back, based on the actual distance difference between the two cities. This is standard practice in the industry.

That is what i am saying..
ATL-LIT $918 (outrageous in my oppinion for a 1 hr flight)
ATL-MEM/LIT-ATL = $538
ATl-MEM $154

I believe we are due the difference in ATL-LIT and ATL-MEM/LIT-ATL back... Delta doesnt.


Again ill mention, i have had ZERO problems on Delta mainline, its been several years or seamless flying with them. Delta connection is 0 for 6, but with decreasing mainline options if im gonna pay big $$$ for these non-airtran routes, (LIT and PVD) the Delta connection treatment isnt worth the money.



Experience is what you get when what you thought would work out didn't!
User currently offlineB777-700 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (7 years 12 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 5982 times:

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 16):
I believe it was 60% of departures/flight NOT capacity..

I don't think that's right either.

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 16):
ATL-LIT $918 (outrageous in my oppinion for a 1 hr flight)

You're allowed to think that. Fares are not based on the time it takes to travel tho. They're based on availability.

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 16):
I believe we are due the difference in ATL-LIT and ATL-MEM/LIT-ATL back... Delta doesnt.

And they're correct. No airline compensates these situations in the way you are asking. Again, you'd the the difference in milage between MEM and LIT back to your credit card (a partial refund) If you flew LIT-ATL as planned, you would get nothing.

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 16):
Again ill mention, i have had ZERO problems on Delta mainline, its been several years or seamless flying with them. Delta connection is 0 for 6, but with decreasing mainline options if im gonna pay big $$$ for these non-airtran routes, (LIT and PVD) the Delta connection treatment isnt worth the money.

Fair enuff.


User currently offlineEjmmsu From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1692 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (7 years 12 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 5958 times:

It is nice to see NW as the top legacy carrier again. Yet another reason to choose to connectin in MEM on NW... rather than DL in ATL.


"If the facts do not conform to the theory, they will have to be disposed of"
User currently offlineB777-700 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (7 years 12 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 5930 times:

Quoting Ejmmsu (Reply 18):
It is nice to see NW as the top legacy carrier again.

 rotfl 


User currently offlinePhollingsworth From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 825 posts, RR: 5
Reply 20, posted (7 years 12 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 5880 times:

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 16):
Again ill mention, i have had ZERO problems on Delta mainline, its been several years or seamless flying with them. Delta connection is 0 for 6, but with decreasing mainline options if im gonna pay big $$$ for these non-airtran routes, (LIT and PVD) the Delta connection treatment isnt worth the money.

At least DL connection out of/into ATL or JFK. It doesn't look like SLC or CVG have a particular problem.

Quoting B777-700 (Reply 17):
You're allowed to think that. Fares are not based on the time it takes to travel tho. They're based on availability.

So true, though fares are really based upon what the market will bear and within that the particular availibility.


User currently offlineEjmmsu From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1692 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (7 years 12 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 5845 times:

Quoting Ejmmsu (Reply 18):
It is nice to see NW as the top legacy carrier again. Yet another reason to choose to connectin in MEM on NW... rather than DL in ATL.



Quoting B777-700 (Reply 19):

rotfl

Why, exactly, do you find that funny?



"If the facts do not conform to the theory, they will have to be disposed of"
User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4676 posts, RR: 11
Reply 22, posted (7 years 12 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 5799 times:

Quoting B777-700 (Reply 6):
Can't to anything about that.



Quoting B777-700 (Reply 11):
That was a mx delay. But looking at some other factors, the crew was not your friend here. Now that I can read the ops notes, I get the impression the gate staff was up against a lot.



Quoting B777-700 (Reply 11):
And they shouldn't, the delay / cx was the result of weather. Now, lets say this was something that was Delta's fault, like a mx. I still don't understand where MEM comes into this...Can you explain your above statement a little better and what exactly you're asking for?



Quoting B777-700 (Reply 15):
Never said it was.



Quoting B777-700 (Reply 15):
You'd think that, wouldn't you?



Quoting B777-700 (Reply 15):
I'm sorry to hear that. I hope you find an airline that doesn't have delays.



Quoting B777-700 (Reply 15):
I'm sorry, but you have unrealistic expectations. This is a carrier that needed to make changes. Fortunately a vast majority of people understand the company need to do what it takes, I'm sure delta is sorry it lost you, but you're asking for something that simply cannot be done.

Sounds like the DL customer service rep I talked to!

High fares + CRJs + 18 hrs of delay over 8 flights = time help the profiability of another airline

Airtran 2 flights combined 50 min early, 25% less $$ than DL



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User currently offlineEvan767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 2957 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (7 years 12 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 5743 times:

Quoting Ejmmsu (Reply 18):
It is nice to see NW as the top legacy carrier again

 laughing 

Quoting Ejmmsu (Reply 21):
Why, exactly, do you find that funny?

 rotfl   rotfl   rotfl 



The proper term is "on final" not "on finals" bud...
User currently offlineB777-700 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (7 years 12 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 5704 times:

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 22):
Airtran 2 flights combined 50 min early, 25% less $$ than DL

Apples and oranges.

Also, how much do you wanna make a bet Delta has the same fares in markets that they compete with Airtran? So you don't really save more $$$ with FL...It all depends on availability.

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 22):
High fares + CRJs + 18 hrs of delay over 8 flights = time help the profiability of another airline

Again, fares are based on availability.

Again, any airline will put the aircraft most likely to turn a profit on a route. ATL-LIT does not command frequent mainline flights, sorry.

Again, most of your delays were out of the airlines control.

With your attitude, you're gonna run out of airlines eventually.

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 22):
Sounds like the DL customer service rep I talked to!

Well, after a while and enuff people telling you these things, you might start to think that the problem might be you.  Wink


25 RL757PVD : Regardless of my personal thoughts on DL connection, i think this report speaks for itself. The TOP 27 WORST flights in terms of being on time are Del
26 SeeTheWorld : Frankly, this banter back and forth is all pretty silly. It doesn't matter whether it's DL connection, weather, maintenance, crew scheduling. The fact
27 RL757PVD : Delta's T fare was $85 more than FL Based on availability my @$$ Its the Delta business raper special.... you can book 6 months out have no one booke
28 RL757PVD : Exactly... If anyone is looking for a clear indication of an operational breakdown.. thats it!
29 HVNandrew : Heh. I was supposed to be on that flight, too. Was flying MYR-ATL-HPN. That was probably my worst DL experience in years... The gate agents were awfu
30 FlyPNS1 : It all boils down to two things: 1) The clusterf**k that is regional ops at JFK. 2) America's Sorriest Airline in ATL Fix those two things and this wo
31 RL757PVD : Were you waiting aorund for it when they moved it over to the E councourse? I was protected on the last LGA flight in the event that it cancelled, bu
32 FutureFO : RL757PVD, Evidentally you have only negatives with F8. Have you had a chance to experience us at RP. You can catch our CVG-LIT flights. I know you are
33 B777-700 : I find that hard to believe, and I'm not going to take your word for it. Yes, based on availability. This is industry standard. You act like this is
34 RL757PVD : Im doin ATL-JFK-PVD in Dec and im hoping RP keeps going on that route like they are now, ive heard good things about RP.... the DH8 would be neat, bu
35 RL757PVD : if it was the same, i would have bought it..simple enought as for the rest of the crap you mentioned/defended.... I dont care what the reason is becu
36 Bond007 : OK, past 24hrs arrivals into ATL: | DAL | 537 | | ASQ | 386 | | TRS | 221 | | FRL | 35 | | TCF | 32 | | CHQ | 28 | | AAL | 23 | | COM | 20 | | BKA |
37 Post contains images PanAm747 : Off topic, but in the report: On page 10, listing on-time percentages by airport, all airlines have at least a 70% on time rate at SAN, except NW, whi
38 RL757PVD : If ATL is just under 50%, then when CVG SLC JFK Florida and P2P are factored in then 50-60% domestic RJ ops inc conceivable i would think.
39 B777-700 : Well, that's a clear sign that you're obviously a waste of time. I've tried talking to sense into you, but you've made your own reality and there's n
40 WorldTraveler : DL is right on top of FL consistently. If you happened to buy right after FL filed a sale but before DL did, then it’s possible. Domestic fares are
41 RL757PVD : I think that pretty much sums it up, some people here may not agree or understand, but its rather obvious that a serious operational overhaul is need
42 Post contains links Travatl : I work for AirTran, and I think a big part of it IS the current runway construction in ATL. It's been KICKIN' OUR ASS recently. Even if we're on time,
43 FlyPNS1 : Improved yes, but still at the bottom of the industry. Only a handful of airports had worse on-time performance this summer than ATL. A wholesale cle
44 Pope : Just proves that ASA really stands for Always Stuck in Atlanta
45 PVD757 : from the report: ATL & JFK specific on-time arrivals broken down by carrier (AUG 06): ATL: DL = 77.4% EV = 59.8% OH = 49.0% ATL avg. = 69.7% JFK: DL =
46 RL757PVD : Here's a question.... has there ever been an airline that has performed WORSE statisically speaking?
47 Phollingsworth : I wonder what percentage of the EV misshandles occur when EV sends the bag to the wrong carosel in ATL. I noticed that many people just give up and g
48 B777-700 : No it doesn't. It does nothing to address YOUR misplaced anger. NONE of your flights were effected by anything WorldTraveler (who is one of the few a
49 PVD757 : you skipped all the ones that don't suit your argument - how vague...
50 RL757PVD : Since they started runway construction, ive taken 4 delta flights and 2 airtran flights, none were delayed due to the runway project. I know there ha
51 Travatl : You've taken six flights since the runway construction began? I work 10-15 flights a week. The majority that come through ATL have been consistently
52 PVD757 : Wanted to add in FL for compasison reasons. FL = 73.2% FL = 72.8% FL = 1.1% FL = 5.99% seems FL is near DL (mainline) in most categories, but again mu
53 AvConsultant : It's still the accountability of the AIRLINE. I'm disappointed to hear this is a standard response by DL. These guys have made a hell of a lot of pro
54 RL757PVD : The quick turns definately dont help. Is there a noticable difference in the delay depending on the configuration... 2 of 3 the times we took off to
55 Post contains images B777-700 : No, the rest don't apply, because I never said there weren't operational issues with some DL conx carriers. If you can show me where I've stated that
56 PVD757 : Is that DL mainline or the entire domestic network?? What was it in AUG?? ...they're not meaningless in the contex as to what we've been talking abou
57 FlyPNS1 : That is your perception...not a fact. How do you know that disorganization at ASA didn't cause most of the delay, but ASA chose to blame it all on we
58 AvConsultant : That's funny, you make this comment when I give DL credit in the same post. Speaking of actions. Besides, I did not take every chance to take adig at
59 WorldTraveler : When you look at Comair numbers in JFK, remember they fly much shorter stage lengths and are much more susceptible to ATC and weather than DL which fl
60 PVD757 : while only 1 other person's view - a close friend who is a pilot for ASA, can't wait to get a job with another carrier and explains the situation at E
61 SeeTheWorld : Wow ... all this BLAH BLAH BLAH banter and excuses. The fact is is does not matter why the on-tine stats for DL and its affiliates are UNACCEPTABLE. T
62 SESGDL : DL mainline is around 83% percent of all DL capacity, no where near 40%. 3 CRJ flights equals the capacity of 1 MD-88 flight, and 5 CRJs equal a 767-
63 RL757PVD : The 83% is in ASMs, though the number of total flights (departures) Delta Connection is near 60%
64 SESGDL : Correct. But Avconsultant had said that capacity was 60% Delta Connection, which simply isn't true. Jeremy
65 Post contains images B777-700 : entire network, I'd really have to dig for August, but it was about the same. I'm not playing a game at all, I'm stating facts. He sited 4 flights. I
66 SESGDL : Sorry, I forget that sometimes with the ridiculous BS he constantly posts. Jeremy
67 FlyPNS1 : Just because something is reported to the DOT doesn't make it true. I really hope you aren't that naive. Do you really think the DOT has the time and
68 Ejmmsu : This is precisely why I connect in MEM, and arrive at my destination on time.
69 WorldTraveler : absolutely not true. Last year's winter storm at NYC illustrated it.. DL and AA based on their meteorologists decided in advance when they would stop
70 Post contains images B777-700 : Riiiight the airlines risk that all the time so they don't have to pay for your hotel. You're the one that needs to get real. I have more experience
71 Ejmmsu : And then proceded a major ramp-up of flights after the closing of the DFW hub, that offset any gains made from the de-banking (clearly not dehubbing)
72 OttoPylit : Thats your perception, not a fact. And not that you could prove your point even if you wanted to. Trust me, if it was that easy, every single delayed
73 Ejmmsu : So where did all the planes that were based at DFW go?? The desert? I was under the impression they went throughout the system, mainly ATL. I guess t
74 Post contains images OttoPylit : You answered your own question before contradicting yourself. You should have stopped at "They went throughout the system, PERIOD." Mainly ATL does n
75 Ejmmsu : ASA had a huge base at DFW... DFW was about 75% ASA... the CR7's went to SLC, and the sizable (larger than CR7) CRJ200 fleet went to ATL. The MD-90's
76 DAL767400ER : Only during a limited number of months, and never 1200. The highest was around 1057 daily flights in May 2005 is correct ("daily" in my sense that a
77 Post contains images WorldTraveler : DL is running on average just under 1000 flights/day at ATL - and they have had the 5th runway for a portion of the year - and will have it back befor
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