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Boeing's Orders For 10/3/06  
User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5669 posts, RR: 48
Posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 7901 times:

Lot's of changes and a few surprises:

http://active.boeing.com/commercial/orders/index.cfm

737s:

Pick of 36 orders

Egypt Air 6 x 737 (Previous order that was a UFO)
Ryanair 32 x 737
Travel Services 2 x 737-900
BBJ 2 x 737BBJ

747s

Pick up of 16 orders

BBJ 3 x 747BBJ!!!!!!
UFO 13 x 747-8 (I or F)

767s

Pick up of 4 orders

UFO 4 x 767s

787

Pick up of one order

BBJ 1 x 787BBJ!

They still have to book SQ's 787s which will probably be updated next week.
Let all the speculation begin!

[Edited 2006-10-05 19:03:10]


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User currently offlineTifoso From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 440 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 7870 times:

The 13 x UFO 748s are probably freighters. Check this post from TrevD last week:

RE: Boeing Orders For 9/27/06 (by Trevd Sep 28 2006 in Civil Aviation)?searchid=3011975&s=#ID3011975


User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5669 posts, RR: 48
Reply 2, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 7819 times:

All the new 747 orders have to be 747-8s (including the BBJ) as all available 744 delivery slots are sold out and Boeing is now selling the 748 slots only.


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User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5669 posts, RR: 48
Reply 3, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 7731 times:

The 747 BBJ this week certainly have to be the 747-8I version. So the 748I has 4 firm orders all VIP.


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User currently offlineN844AA From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1352 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 7712 times:

723 net orders! It's getting pretty late in the year to think about breaking 1000 again, but it's absolutely not out of the realm of possibility -- obviously they're just a little behind the pace necessary to make that happen. It sure would help if AA decided to bite the bullet and pick up a nice batch of 787s ...

And the 767 keeps working her way toward 1000. Wonder if she'll hit it.

Congrats, Boeing. Hell of a year, and not a bad week. Not a bad week at all.



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User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5669 posts, RR: 48
Reply 5, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 7619 times:

Well you have EK to decide on their 100 plane order though I'm not sure when that will be and if it'll be firmed up before year end. Remember that the 730 total doesn't include the 20 787s for SQ which will probably appear next week. That's 750. Another 250 to go? Not out the realm of possiblity.


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User currently offlineFuturecaptain From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 7533 times:

126 unidentified orders?
Seems alot of airlines don't want us knowing what they are buying.


User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 29682 posts, RR: 84
Reply 7, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 7500 times:
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Quoting Futurecaptain (Reply 6):
126 unidentified orders? Seems alot of airlines don't want us knowing what they are buying.

There are many reasons why airlines wish to delay their announcements for a period of hours, days, or even weeks. I'm sure we'll know shortly who is getting what and when.  Smile


User currently offlineN328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6482 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 7437 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 7):
There are many reasons why airlines wish to delay their announcements for a period of hours, days, or even weeks. I'm sure we'll know shortly who is getting what and when.

Hell, BCA has 43 orders from July, 2000 through December, 2005 that have not been publically linked to a particular customer. 23 of those are from CY2005.



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User currently offlineGhost77 From Mexico, joined Mar 2000, 5197 posts, RR: 51
Reply 9, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 7301 times:

My bet goes for LAN going for more B767s!!!

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User currently offlineDeltaDC9 From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 2844 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 7170 times:

Quoting N844AA (Reply 4):
And the 767 keeps working her way toward 1000. Wonder if she'll hit it.

Seems to be a Boeing tradition....



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User currently offlineN844AA From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1352 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 6990 times:

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 5):
That's 750. Another 250 to go? Not out the realm of possiblity.

Y'know, come to think of it, if Boeing extended the sellin' season out to, oh, say, mid-January 2007, that would put them in line to sell exactly 1000 airframes. They ought to keep that in mind.



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User currently offlineBringiton From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 866 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 6985 times:

Quoting DeltaDC9 (Reply 10):
And the 767 keeps working her way toward 1000. Wonder if she'll hit it.

Think Air Force  Smile


User currently offlineBringiton From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 866 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 6966 times:

Quoting N844AA (Reply 11):
That's 750. Another 250 to go? Not out the realm of possiblity.

In the last 3 months of 2005 boeing secured something like 385 orders , so getting 200-250 orders this time doesnt look that unlikely.

[Edited 2006-10-05 23:09:00]

User currently offlineGlom From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 2809 posts, RR: 10
Reply 14, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 6883 times:

B..... B..... J.....!!!

And who the smeg is ordering 767s at this time of life?

When are they going to update the standard reports?


User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 29682 posts, RR: 84
Reply 15, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 6783 times:
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Quoting Glom (Reply 14):
And who the smeg is ordering 767s at this time of life?

LAN or NH have been taking them as of late, so perhaps they want more? I am sure Boeing is "fire-saleing" them to keep the line and suppliers open until the USAF decides which way they want to go with the tanker program.


User currently offlineBeech19 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 936 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 6746 times:

Quoting Ghost77 (Reply 9):
My bet goes for LAN going for more B767s!!!

Agreed. BUT there is a mystery 767 purchase for an unknown amount and all it says on the customer write ups is "equipped similarly to..." and an airlines name. Who knows what that means... its not listed as a order anywhere yet but has been being worked for some time.

Quoting N844AA (Reply 11):
Y'know, come to think of it, if Boeing extended the sellin' season out to, oh, say, mid-January 2007

And then i would have to say that Boeing would be cheating like Airbus did last year.  duck 

Quoting Bringiton (Reply 12):
Think Air Force

yeah... that would push it WAY over 1000. That is possibly 200+ airframes. That is, unless Boeing presents a 777 tanker to them.
 stirthepot 



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User currently offlineFuturecaptain From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 6671 times:

Quoting Beech19 (Reply 16):
That is possibly 200+ airframes

And keep the line open for what? 3 or 4 more years? Good run for an airframe so "late" in its life.


User currently offlineBringiton From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 866 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 6659 times:

Quoting Beech19 (Reply 16):
yeah... that would push it WAY over 1000. That is possibly 200+ airframes. That is, unless Boeing presents a 777 tanker to them

The problem is that boeing will most likely not present the 777 as it has issues with take off distances aswell as with runway stress etc etc Boeing site similar reasons as helping the KC 767 over the KC30 so it would be kinda dum to turn around and offer a even heavier aircraft . the 777 wont be offered this time around IMO , it would be for the next round or KCX competition which would be even more lucrative where the 777 should get a good run for its money from the KC30 . Moreover boeing can fit the KC767 in allready existing hangers whereas both the KC30 and KC777 require either hanger upgrades or folding wings etc etc . I believe the order for the KC767 or KC30 will be for around 100-160 aircrafts all new !


User currently offlineMCIGuy From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 1936 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 6611 times:

The 14 747's are 748F's:

Seattle Times

Quote:
Thursday's tally also included new orders from unidentified customers for 14 of the $280 million freighter version of the 747-8 plus four 767 jets.


[Edited 2006-10-06 01:28:41]


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User currently offlineAirFrnt From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 2822 posts, RR: 42
Reply 20, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 6556 times:

Quoting Bringiton (Reply 18):
Quoting Beech19 (Reply 16):
yeah... that would push it WAY over 1000. That is possibly 200+ airframes. That is, unless Boeing presents a 777 tanker to them

The problem is that boeing will most likely not present the 777 as it has issues with take off distances aswell as with runway stress etc etc Boeing site similar reasons as helping the KC 767 over the KC30 so it would be kinda dum to turn around and offer a even heavier aircraft . the 777 wont be offered this time around IMO , it would be for the next round or KCX competition which would be even more lucrative where the 777 should get a good run for its money from the KC30 . Moreover boeing can fit the KC767 in allready existing hangers whereas both the KC30 and KC777 require either hanger upgrades or folding wings etc etc . I believe the order for the KC767 or KC30 will be for around 100-160 aircrafts all new !

Actually, Boeing is now going to present both the KC767 and the KC777 to the Air force as part of some new requirements.


User currently offlineBringiton From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 866 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 6402 times:

Quoting AirFrnt (Reply 20):
Actually, Boeing is now going to present both the KC767 and the KC777 to the Air force as part of some new requirements.

If the seatle post intel. is to be believed then boeing is on record of saying that they would consider the 777 but would make only one bid !!


User currently offlineBringiton From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 866 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 6392 times:

SI reports that there are 14 748F's on order and 2 vip 748I's on order !!

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...gy/2003290459_webbdigboeing05.html


User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 29682 posts, RR: 84
Reply 23, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 6392 times:
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Quoting Bringiton (Reply 18):
The problem is that boeing will most likely not present the 777 as it has issues with take off distances aswell as with runway stress etc etc...

I would think neither would be an issue at a USAF base which have very long runways and strengthened tarmacs.


User currently offlineBringiton From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 866 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 6362 times:

But it does with some NATO bases , AFM did a very extensive story on it some time back for NATO missions . Italy also considered this the only advantage the KC767 had while dealing with some of the bases . Here is the article -

Quote:
The ACN is determined by the number and separation of wheels, tire pressure and weight of the aircraft. The numbers are on a scale of 0-100, with a P-3 at 44 and a C-141 at 78. THe ITAF says the 767 comes in at 48. However, the number is dependent on runway type and grade. Since many military fields have a much weaker strength than commericial international airports, a lower ACN means that an aircraft can carry a larger percentage of its maximum fuel with less risk of damaging runways and taxiways.

"In Australia, you need refueling so you can go to another part of the world. We have our operations focused mainly on the Mediterranean, North Africa and some deep in the East."

"The A310 had the lowest cost, but it could only meet part of the freight capacity," says Lt. Col. Fabio Nuccetelli of the ITAF general staff logistics department. "The A330 was more expensive; but more importantly, it was too big for the runway size of many NATO bases. Finally (since in 2006 EADS's tanker program was just getting started) the maintenance and logistics support plan was not as well defined as Boeing's in terms of performance, time and industrial offset issues."

And in the most practical terms, the A330 footprint didn't match facilities at the tankers home base of Practica di Mare AFB in west of Rome. The A330s wingspan is 64 meters and the hangers are 60 meters square.
"That would mean rebuilding everything. It was the wrong shape for us. We have to modify our 707 hangers to let the tail of the 767 go in, but we're not rebuilding the whole hanger.
"Boeing was aware of the cost and political difficulty of upgrading Pratica di Mare's infrastructure and runways, so we made the trade from KC-707s to KC-767s based on the cost of the logistics system, training, adjusting the organizations and the limiting size of the hangers ... it was the most practical solution and best sized in particular to Practica di Mare."

Apparently USAF had similar concerns with the KC30 in addition to the hanger infrastructure issues , moreover the E-10 has allready selected the 767 as a platform so there is commonality involved aswell ( although the E-10 is on the brink of being cancelled) .


25 Jfk777 : Great to see 748 I for BBJ use. These orders must be from Arab countries replacing their 747SP fleets. Most 747's for executive use are for the middle
26 Post contains links MCOflyer : My guess is we'll see a lot of 748I orders. I guess this b/c those who RR will either go with GE or the 748I. A380 Delay Forces RR To Suspend Trent Pr
27 OldAeroGuy : What makes you think that the A330 doesn't also have these issues for the NATO airfields you're citing?
28 Beech19 : Number one. I wasn't really just stirring the pot. I know for a fact that boeing has been discussing a KC777 and would put in a bid if requested by t
29 DAYflyer : Thefolks at Boeing have said the 777 will only be presented as an option IF the requirements of the USAF change. Reason: It will take 3 years to modif
30 Post contains images Beech19 : yeah its nuts to think about that price tag. All done up in a VIP "business setting" could be a $400 million aircraft when all is said and done. If i
31 Post contains images Summa767 : I have a feeling that 45 out of those will have a name next to it by Monday evening BTW, I think that the 4 767s could be AV. They need stop gap airc
32 Stitch : Which could make sense, ala the current fleet of KC-135s and KC-10s.
33 Bringiton : Yes but the bigger version would most likely be selected for the second KCX order which should be larger . This one should go to the KC767 , the 777 w
34 Post contains images Beech19 : You know something! LOL Do tell! hint? Agreed. We had a slight mis-com there.
35 Summa767 : Actually, the hint was in the post itself when I mentioned AV. I have a hunch that AV will make an official announcement on Monday.They have invited
36 DEVILFISH : It sure looks as if the Sheiks and Sultans are trading in their current rides for the latest models. There could be takers for VIP 744s but I wonder
37 Glom : 747SP is too squashy. It's like the A380. Too squashy!
38 Post contains images Stitch : Maybe they'll hang a big fluorescent green "Sale" tag on the cockpit window and put them at the front of the "Previously Flown" lot to try and garner
39 Ptharris : Buddy of mine works on the 767 line. According to him, there's no stopping the line anytime soon. They're all "asses and elbows" 12-14 hours a day ev
40 Bringiton : It shouldnt be that hard to get the 27 orders they need specially in lieu of the KC767 bid and high chances that boeing might pull it off with the 767
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