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AeroSur Boeing 747-100!  
User currently offlineGhost77 From Mexico, joined Mar 2000, 4626 posts, RR: 56
Posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 3835 times:

Was yesterday seen @ VVI in full c/s!!! Does anybody has pictures of this new baby??? What internal config does it have, what routes will it fly???

g77 APM


Ricardo Morales - flyAPM - ¡No es que maneje rapido, solo estoy volando lento!
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User currently offlineMagyarorszag From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 3798 times:

Just a guess, are there really any B747-100 still flying pax (outside SV, IR...) on the second hand market, or was it a B747-200 ?

User currently offlineRAFVC10 From Spain, joined Sep 2005, 1729 posts, RR: 10
Reply 2, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 3717 times:
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Aerosur is operating B747-200's wet-leased from Air Plus Comet and flying twice a week frm VVI to MAD.

Tourist class is configured in 2-4-3 and Business in 2-2-2.


Shhhhhh!! My daughter is sleeping...
User currently offlineGhost77 From Mexico, joined Mar 2000, 4626 posts, RR: 56
Reply 3, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 3685 times:

Quoting RAFVC10 (Reply 2):
Aerosur is operating B747-200's wet-leased from Air Plus Comet and flying twice a week frm VVI to MAD.

Yeap, but now they have their own jet! 23150/601 - 5U-ACF ex. N748LA former JAL bird and last flown by Logistic Air.

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Ricardo Morales - flyAPM - ¡No es que maneje rapido, solo estoy volando lento!
User currently offlineVasu From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 2820 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 3685 times:

Quoting RAFVC10 (Reply 2):
2-4-3

Really?!

User currently offline123 From Bolivia, joined Nov 2003, 634 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 3571 times:

Quoting Ghost77 (Reply 3):
Yeap, but now they have their own jet! 23150/601 - 5U-ACF ex. N748LA former JAL bird and last flown by Logistic Air.

Oh, this is the "new Jumbo Jet" announced here in the press? Any idea of the construction date / cycles flown and if it has been active all the time or stored in the desert or jungle somewhere for sometime?

User currently offlineA342 From Germany, joined Jul 2005, 3831 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 3570 times:

Quoting Vasu (Reply 4):
Really?!

I'll second this comment ! And 2-2-2 in business also seems like 30 years ago.


Exceptions confirm the rule.
User currently offlineMagyarorszag From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 3528 times:

Quoting Ghost77 (Reply 3):
23150/601 - 5U-ACF ex. N748LA former JAL bird



Quoting 123 (Reply 5):
Any idea of the construction date

Well, it isn't "that" old after all...   It's a B747-146B and has flown for the first time October 25th, 1984, and delivered December 4th, the same year to JL.

Here are two pics of the old cukoo with its former operators. Both pictures say that it's a B747-146B/SR but not in my production list.


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[Edited 2006-10-05 22:11:44]

User currently offlineLatinplane From United States, joined Dec 1999, 2418 posts, RR: 18
Reply 8, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 3401 times:

We are all waiting to see AeroSur's own 747. I'm sure someone will capture it in MAD in the next few days.

The only thing I can find is this website which shows AeroSur's operation with the wet-leased Air Plus Comet 747 they used to operate:

http://aeroblogs.aeropuertosarg.com.ar/envivodesdevvi.php

 Smile LatinPlane

User currently offlineJetfan From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 47 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 3369 times:

To me, it doesn't make sense to use a SR version designed specially for intra-asian short hops on VVI-MAD. How is the range of the SR version?

User currently offlineXA744 From Mexico, joined Mar 2004, 634 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 3303 times:

Quoting Jetfan (Reply 9):
How is the range of the SR version?

No matter what, I bet she´s a real gas guzzler !!!

Question is, will they be able to fill up the junker and get close to a break even point in its operation ?

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No matter how you fly...just never get your wings clipped !
User currently offlineJetfan From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 47 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 3233 times:

Quoting XA744 (Reply 10):
No matter what, I bet she´s a real gas guzzler !!!

5L operations are mainly based on (Ex MX) 722s, which are even more gas guzzlers! So the business model seems to work for them. Don't ask me how!

But, thanks 5L, for giving me the experience to feel the thunder of a 722 flying right over my head on take off from SRE! There's no such plane today! Hope they can afford the gas some more time  Smile.

But i still doubt the SR to MAD, maybe for some intra South America operations? But I have no clue which route may justify a 747 SR. MIA seems to be out of range, like MAD.

User currently offlineGabo787 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2006, 97 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 3214 times:

Quoting Jetfan (Reply 11):
But i still doubt the SR to MAD, maybe for some intra South America operations?

According to airfleets.net is a 747-146B not a SR so I guess that bird has the range for the MAD operations

User currently offlineLVZXV From Finland, joined Mar 2004, 1971 posts, RR: 52
Reply 13, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 3192 times:

It's a 530-seater. I know the range of a 747-400D is 2,905km with 568 pax + cargo. Anyone know the range of the -100B(SR)?

Bolivia is certainly witnessing some interesting aircraft these days! LAB's 727-200s with winglets, Globejet L-1011 TriStar 500s operating for LAB, Air Plus Comet aircraft operating for AeroSur, the last 727-100 in Latin America (CP-861, don't know if she is still flying). Who knows, if AeroSur send their quirky Jumbo to EZE, I might pay Bolivia another visit!

Good luck to both of them!

Saludos,

ZXV


11/8 KF812 BIQ-HEL (M90) OH-BLF (Star Alliance c/s), 14/8 KF811 HEL-BIQ (M90)
User currently offlineOB1504 From United States, joined Jul 2004, 2301 posts, RR: 10
Reply 14, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 3168 times:

Quoting LVZXV (Reply 13):
It's a 530-seater. I know the range of a 747-400D is 2,905km with 568 pax + cargo. Anyone know the range of the -100B(SR)?

Judging by two of the other posts in this forum, I don't think it's actually an SR model. It makes sense, since the SR version probably wouldn't be able to make it to Madrid from any part of Bolivia.

User currently offlineAirAmericaC46 From United States, joined Mar 2004, 590 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 2988 times:

Did I hear LAB has L1011-500? what routes?

User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 25789 posts, RR: 77
Reply 16, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2864 times:

Quoting AirAmericaC46 (Reply 15):
Did I hear LAB has L1011-500? what routes?

Flies to Madrid 3x a week.


mark miami/los angeles
User currently offlineGabo787 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2006, 97 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2595 times:


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Photo © Diego Ruiz de Vargas - Iberian Spotters



Here you have it landing in MAD, I would love to have the oportunity to fly in a Tristar one more time.

Maybe I will take a trip to Spain via VVI  Big grin

User currently offlineLVZXV From Finland, joined Mar 2004, 1971 posts, RR: 52
Reply 18, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 2432 times:

Quoting OB1504 (Reply 14):
Judging by two of the other posts in this forum, I don't think it's actually an SR model. It makes sense, since the SR version probably wouldn't be able to make it to Madrid from any part of Bolivia.

Don't get me wrong, the -SR stuff makes no sense to me either, but I believe JAL never operated any ordinary 747-100s (or -100Bs for that matter). As far as I can tell, JAL operated seven SR-46s, three -146B(SR)s and two -146B(SUD/SR)s. All have been retired except one of the latter.

It is also of my understanding that the conversion of an -SR variant to its normal equivalent (which would involve extensive re-wiring and installation of extra fuel tanks among other things) is simply to complex to be economically worthwhile, especially on a 22-year-old aircraft like 5U-ACF.

All indications would suggest she is indeed an -SR, now if someone could shed light on its range or its specific purpose for AeroSur, I would be very much obliged...

Saludos,

ZXV

P.S. Doesn't Kalitta (or Kittyhawk, never remember which!) operated some ex-JAL SR-46 freighters on longish range routes?


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