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AZ Has FCO-LAX And FCO-YUL In Its Sights For 2007  
User currently offlineNycfly75 From Italy, joined Aug 2005, 761 posts, RR: 9
Posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 5290 times:

According to Italian daily Sole24Ore (its a paid subscription site, so I couldnt link the article), Alitalia has its sights on reopening FCO-LAX and FCO-YUL in 2007. This coincides with rumors AZ is looking to acquire 4-5 777's to boost its long haul fleet. There is also talk AZ is going to realign its hubs once again with a new emphasis on FCO.

Heres some free links on the story:

News site for Italians Overseas, with regard to FCO-YUL.

http://www.mclink.it/com/inform/art/06n18407.htm  

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User currently offlineQFSYD744 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 5273 times:

The information has been available publically on the following sight for a number of months:

http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alitalia

"A fine settembre Cimoli elabora un nuovo Piano Industriale 2006-2008, che deve però essere approvato dal governo. Secondo alcune indiscrezioni i nuovi punti sarebbero:

Apertura di nuove rotte intercontinetali tra cui Los Angeles e Montreal
Chiusura della rotta Milano-Washigton
Entrata in servizio di nuovi aerei a lungo e medio raggio dal 2007
Aprire nuove mini basi come quella di Venezia ed alcune affidarle a VolareWeb (la compagnia low cost del gruppo Alitalia)
Riconfigurazione a partire da ottobre dei Boeing 767
Rafforzare la posizione di Alitalia nel mercato domestico "


In addition and as an FYI - A few more intercontinental routes will be depleated as others are resumed.. Hint.. Hint!  wink 


User currently offlineFLYYUL From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 4999 posts, RR: 51
Reply 2, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 5252 times:

Wow... how credible is this rumour?

User currently offlineNycfly75 From Italy, joined Aug 2005, 761 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 5243 times:

Quoting QFSYD744 (Reply 1):
In addition and as an FYI - A few more intercontinental routes will be depleated as others are resumed..

Well MXP-IAD is ending, so thats one (767 would work for FCO-YUL) and my other guess is MXP-Osaka (Thats a 777 route that would work for FCO-LAX)

Quoting FLYYUL (Reply 2):
Wow... how credible is this rumour?

Very credible, its in AZ Chairman's Plan.


User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16892 posts, RR: 51
Reply 4, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 5229 times:

That's awesome, I've been to Montreal and noticed they have a good size Italian population. I was in Montreal a couple years back and made chit-chat with this older Italian gentleman in a Wine shop, when he found out I was an Italian American from NYC he wanted to talk about Italian immigrants in America and Canada. He gave me his family's story about immigrating to Montreal, very nice gentleman.

I hope YUL works out well for AZ, same with LAX, some other's I hope AZ will launch..

San Francisco, Philadelphia, Houston *(codeshare with CO), and figure out some way to make Washington D.C. to work.



Eastern Air lines flt # 701, EWR-MCO Boeing 757
User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26019 posts, RR: 50
Reply 5, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 5172 times:

I believe if AZ ever makes it back to LAX it will be from MXP and not FCO.
At least MXP provides higher yield business and fashion industry traffic.

However this would the the 3rd year that AZ has indicated its "returning" to LAX. One year it even managed to published schedules to only pull them at the last moment.

I'll truly believe it when I see the AZ plane land.



From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33185 posts, RR: 71
Reply 6, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 5159 times:

I truly doubt they are actually going to fly to LA anytime soon. And if they do, it will be from Milan. They've been "planning" a return to Los Angeles for a long time, and nothing has come of it. Low yield, thin market, and neither Rome or Milan are "superhubs" like Amsterdam or Paris to make up for it.


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User currently offlineFLYYUL From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 4999 posts, RR: 51
Reply 7, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 5139 times:

They have pulled airplanes off YYZ/BOS-FCO, and IAD-MXP.

Therefore, they have 3 airplanes in the parking lot waiting for assignment.


User currently offlineJuventus From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2835 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 5011 times:

Hope this is true. I think LAX has the potential to make this route work.

User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33185 posts, RR: 71
Reply 9, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 4969 times:

Quoting FLYYUL (Reply 7):
They have pulled airplanes off YYZ/BOS-FCO, and IAD-MXP.

FCO-BOS/YYZ are summer only. Are they not returning next year?

Also, MIA-MXP becomes a 772 year-round next month, so that's one less 772 to potentially use to Los Angeles.



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User currently offlineFLYYUL From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 4999 posts, RR: 51
Reply 10, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 4870 times:

MAH4546,

YYZ/BOS-FCO are not yet loaded for summer 2007.. IAD-MXP inclusive, these are the routes that dont show in AZ's res.


User currently offlineSflaflight From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 1183 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 4846 times:

Having grown up in Montreal, I can tell you that AZ to YUL is very smart. Canadi>n used to fly to rome from YUL and I believe AC has taken over the route (too lazy to log on to AC.ca). The interesting thing is that the Italian Canadians have really not assimilated to Quebec culture as the Italian immigrants have in NYC, NE and Toronto. There, they have become really Canadians/Americans of Italian descent (or second generation italians). In Montreal, the second generation is really Italian-canadian. They are encouraged to learn the language and even choose a partner based on the cultural roots. There still is Italian language programming on TV during evening and week end hours.

Italians are also very interested in visiting a different culture within North America that will fill those planes nicely.


Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 9):
Also, MIA-MXP becomes a 772 year-round next month, so that's one less 772 to potentially use to Los Angeles.

I know we have spoken about this already, but I think it's a wise move for AZ. What many people don't realize is that while Miami is very seasonal for North Americans, it is not for Europeans and especially Italians who have the month off. It is hard for many Italians to take longer periods off during the year as Italian corporate culture is very dedicated to its work.


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26709 posts, RR: 75
Reply 12, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 4792 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 6):
and neither Rome or Milan are "superhubs" like Amsterdam or Paris to make up for it.

They may be trying to capitalize on Italy's superior position for Middle Eastern connections from LAX.



Mangeons les French fries, mais surtout pratiquons avec fierte le French kiss
User currently offlineCopaair737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 4768 times:

Would SFO ever make a comeback? It was great seeing the AZ birds there for the short period they were there, I miss seeing them around.

-Copa


User currently offlineLIPZ From Austria, joined Jun 2006, 1075 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 4677 times:

Quoting FLYYUL (Reply 10):

YYZ/BOS-FCO are not yet loaded for summer 2007.. IAD-MXP inclusive, these are the routes that dont show in AZ's res.

Summer 07 Timetable of AZ isn't correctely loaded yet. What you find now it seems to be only an extension of the previous winter one (Nov-Dec 06). So for example you find FCO-EWR with 767 instead of 777, MXP-MIA with 777 inastead of 767, MXP-EWR only 5xweek, BOS and ORD 6xweek and so on.
I think we'll see again BOS and YYZ both from MXP and FCO.


User currently offlineDesertAir From Mexico, joined Jan 2006, 1474 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 4626 times:

It would be great to see AZ back flying on the West Coast again. I recall the pre 9/11 service to SFO from Milano.

User currently offlineQFSYD744 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 4504 times:

Quoting Nycfly75 (Reply 3):
Well MXP-IAD is ending, so thats one (767 would work for FCO-YUL) and my other guess is MXP-Osaka (Thats a 777 route that would work for FCO-LAX)

Osaka, has reported revenue that is equal to if not greater than Narita. However, there are certain times of the year that both Osaka and Tokyo suffer from low yields due to decreased business and increased leisure demand.

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 5):
At least MXP provides higher yield business and fashion industry traffic.

 checkmark  However, keep in mind that that as is the case with Osaka and Tokyo, certain months out of the year are business oriented traffic, and others are leisure oriented traffic. Finding the balance may very well be the key. There has been talk believe it or not of operating FCO-MXP-LAX only during the peak months of the year. Freeing the other half of the year to routes that require increased capaciy when LAX is not operated such as BOM, DEL, GRU, or EZE.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 9):
Also, MIA-MXP becomes a 772 year-round next month, so that's one less 772 to potentially use to Los Angeles.

Miami is an extremely important destination for Alitalia. The revenue is one of the highest in the network.


From what has been heard Alitalia is expecting a number of additional 777, and is looking at taking on additional 767 equipment. Rumors(for the small change they are worth), includind mofidfying the following routes: Newark being replaced with New York.JFK concentrated service, Boston dropping FCO, Chicago going to a FCO-MXP-ORD rotation with less frequency, GRU being extended to GIG. The rumors also abound for adding the following services: MXP-NBO(763), MXP-JED(320), MXP-RUH(320), MXP-BAH(320), MXP-KHI(763), FCO-MXP-HKG(772), FCO-MXP-IAH(772).

Remember it is Alitalia, and things can change as often as the wind.


User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8453 posts, RR: 7
Reply 17, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 4476 times:
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Lax has to be served from Milan, With Armani and all the fashion in Milan bridging it to Hollywood is what makes this work. Try booking a seat during awards season...

User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33185 posts, RR: 71
Reply 18, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 4443 times:

Quoting LIPZ (Reply 14):
Summer 07 Timetable of AZ isn't correctely loaded yet. What you find now it seems to be only an extension of the previous winter one (Nov-Dec 06). So for example you find FCO-EWR with 767 instead of 777, MXP-MIA with 777 inastead of 767, MXP-EWR only 5xweek, BOS and ORD 6xweek and so on.

In the case of MIA-MXP, when it was first uploaded, it was showing as a 767, and just recently it was changed to a 777. That shows something. I would not at all be surprised if it stays a 772 year-round. MIA is one of Alitalia's most profitable long-haul routes.



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User currently offlineAlitalia744 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4760 posts, RR: 44
Reply 19, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 4426 times:

MIA is still planned to be seasonal 777.

thanks.



Some see lines, others see between the lines.
User currently offlineIAD380 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 804 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 4282 times:

Hopefully, Alitalia's absence from IAD won't last long.

User currently offlineQFSYD744 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 4281 times:

Quoting IAD380 (Reply 20):
Hopefully, Alitalia's absence from IAD won't last long.

It was dropped in favor of codesharing with KL, AF, DL, CO!


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33185 posts, RR: 71
Reply 22, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 4268 times:

Quoting Alitalia744 (Reply 19):
MIA is still planned to be seasonal 777.

Too bad. That flight is always full and/or oversold year-round in both classes. Alitalia has the second highest average load factor of all airlines from MIA (after Alaska Airlines), at around 98%.

Quoting IAD380 (Reply 20):
Hopefully, Alitalia's absence from IAD won't last long.

IAD never performed that well for Alitalia. It isn't coming back.



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User currently offlineMCOGVADCA From China, joined Oct 2006, 446 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 4081 times:

MAH is right, that MXP-IAD flight was constantly empty. and the MIA-MXP load factors are dead on, took it a few years ago, one of the worst experiences of my life...filled to the brim, no ptvs and no cd players allowed! Non ci potevo credere!
Also, given AZ's recent attempts to eliminate its two hub structure at the expense of FCO, if alitalia were to start LAX service, i'd assume its from MXP.



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