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Delta And The Possibility Of A JFK-ABQ Route  
User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6633 posts, RR: 2
Posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 4853 times:

Just for curiosity, what is the possibility of a JFK-ABQ route on Delta? JFK is Delta's fastest-growing hub. ABQ has mainline service to ATL and CVG, and Delta Connection service to SLC. Such a flight would be very pleasing for those who want to go to New York and would also be a more convenient connection for Europe travel. The only Albuquerque-New York service is Contiental's seasonal ABQ-EWR flight. If an ABQ-JFK flight on Delta were to be born, it would likely be on a 737-800, possibly one with PTVs.


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User currently offlineRwSEA From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 3118 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 4841 times:

I think it's less likely than other destinations in the Western US that still lack JFK service - notably PHX, PDX, DEN, and SJC.

ABQ does already have strong connections through ATL/CVG for European travel, and also if they need to get to EWR/LGA/JFK.

The reality is that the only real connecting opportunities that JFK would open up would be KBP, ACC, BUD, TXL, NCE, IST, and perhaps a few others. O&D between these places and ABQ is nil. Finally, O&D between ABQ and NYC is probably not that strong year-round, or CO's flight wouldn't be seasonal.


User currently offlineDl4evr From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 641 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 4833 times:

Quoting RwSEA (Reply 1):
PDX

Didn't they kinda hint that they were starting JFK-PDX in the near future? It was on their new "transcon service" route map right?



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User currently offlineBoslax From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 105 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 4793 times:

jetBlue might be more likely to enter the ABQ-NYC market. The ABQ-NYC market has 173,000 annual O&D while TUS-NYC, which jetBlue recently started, has 130,000.

User currently offlineSLCUT2777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 4126 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 4793 times:

Quoting RwSEA (Reply 1):
I think it's less likely than other destinations in the Western US that still lack JFK service - notably PHX, PDX, DEN, and SJC.

The first three are more likely since DL has a fairly significant presence in them. SJC is dominated by AA (even though it isn't really a hub any more) and if any carrier there offered direct NYC-JFK service it would be by AA. B6 has direct JFK service from OAK and UA from SFO. But ABQ is a good sized market east of SLC with mainline DL service to ATL and CVG, and if B6 can do TUC, then perhaps DL will look at ABQ-JFK service as a future rather than immediate possibility.



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User currently offlineOzarkD9S From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5198 posts, RR: 21
Reply 5, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 4674 times:

Quoting Boslax (Reply 3):


jetBlue might be more likely to enter the ABQ-NYC market. The ABQ-NYC market has 173,000 annual O&D while TUS-NYC, which jetBlue recently started, has 130,000.

I was thinking along the same lines, even to the point of ABQ and TUS having one nonstop each to JFK with possibly a JFK-ABQ-TUS-ABQ-JFK flight to put a second frequency in each market as they develop.



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User currently offlineHVNandrew From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 440 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 4623 times:

The biggest hole in DL's JFK hub right now is domestic flying to the midwest/western part of the country. I think DL will start up DEN/PDX before they start ABQ, but DL still has alot of work to do in building up JFK's westbound network. I'd also like to see increased SAN/SFO frequency.

User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 4592 times:

Quoting Boslax (Reply 3):
jetBlue might be more likely to enter the ABQ-NYC market. The ABQ-NYC market has 173,000 annual O&D while TUS-NYC, which jetBlue recently started, has 130,000.

Probably, remember that B6 actually has a 100-seater that they could use for such a route, whereas DL's smallest plane capable of that route is the 738 with 150 seats, which obviously is quite a difference compared to the E90s of B6.


User currently offlineFA4B6 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 4583 times:

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 7):
Probably, remember that B6 actually has a 100-seater that they could use for such a route, whereas DL's smallest plane capable of that route is the 738 with 150 seats, which obviously is quite a difference compared to the E90s of B6.

Could the E190 do JFK-ABQ without restrictions?


User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5559 posts, RR: 12
Reply 9, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 4528 times:

I can't help but agree that B6 will probably arrive in ABQ pretty soon. They are certainly in a "growth spurt" these days (which I don't necessarily think is their best strategy at the present time) and they don't seem to be limiting their growth to certain geographical areas.

I also keep thinking (and posting!) that the smaller Blue-birds will be heading West (next year?) and there are so many great opportunities for short-to-medium haul routings ripe for the picking: ABQ to CA, AZ, NV, UT, CO and TX are all ready for 100-seat competition for WN and US(HP) and B6 is already in those states! Seems like a natural to me!

I would also expect to see DL go after other missing Western links from JFK before NM but I imagine it will happen eventually.

(And to HVNandrew, I too hope to see either an equipment and/or a frequency upgrade on SAN-JFK soon as well.)

bb


User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 4528 times:

Quoting FA4B6 (Reply 8):
Could the E190 do JFK-ABQ without restrictions?

It should be able to. ABQ-JFK is 1,586nm, and the E90 has 2,300nm range according to Embraer.com, so even on a hot summer day, it should be able to do the flight both directions without restrictions.


User currently offlineB777-700 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 4522 times:

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Thread starter):
Just for curiosity, what is the possibility of a JFK-ABQ route on Delta?

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User currently offlinePanamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4956 posts, RR: 25
Reply 12, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 4499 times:
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Quoting SANFan (Reply 9):
And to HVNandrew, I too hope to see either an equipment and/or a frequency upgrade on SAN-JFK soon as well.)

Well, SAN-JFK is getting upgraded to a PTV-configured/refurbished 757 starting November 3. So far, the schedule shows the 738 coming back in December but that may be because the December schedules are not finalized yet.


User currently offlineIADLHR From Italy, joined Apr 2005, 735 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 4470 times:

I would say maybe. A few weeks ago I flew UA ABQ-IAD and we were dellayed close to 5 hours due to mechanical and crew schedule issues. When the announcement was made for rebooking connecting interntational passengers at IAD, as they would not make their connections, I was truly astounded at the number of connecting passengers that were on that flight. Many to Germany, Vienna and Amsterdam. I was really, really astounded. Having said that perhaps there is a market for DL doing ABQ-JFK becasue of thei DL hub at JFK.Stranger things could happen. However, if that is the case perhaps CO would think about doing ABQ-EWR on a year round basis.

User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5559 posts, RR: 12
Reply 14, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 4435 times:

Hey Panamair, thanx for that. I had noticed just the other night when I downloaded DL's 10-01-06 PDF Timetable that they showed #1871 (the evening w/b arrival from JFK) would be a 752 starting 11-03 but they didn't show the morning e/b SAN departure (#416) upgrading from a 738. (Nor did the other o/n 738 (flt 927 to CVG) show a change to a 752.) I don't remember if I checked DL's online sked's for clarification or not but I didn't know what to believe. I do realize that sked's keep changing all the time these days so it's kind of hard to get a fix on what the future holds...

As soon as DL moved the flight from a red-eye to a morning departure, I hoped (and predicted) it would do very well and probably be upgraded soon.
Now I can hope for a second frequency (early pm or a red-eye?)

bb


User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 4195 times:

Quoting IADLHR (Reply 13):
I was truly astounded at the number of connecting passengers that were on that flight. Many to Germany, Vienna and Amsterdam. I was really, really astounded. Having said that perhaps there is a market for DL doing ABQ-JFK becasue of thei DL hub at JFK.

Thing is, UA has to channel their Europe-bound ABQ pax through IAD (or ORD), because that's where most of their Euro flights originate. DL can route all their pax just as easily through ATL. Exceptions are the routes RwSea mentioned in his initial reply, because those are not being served from ATL. Of course, some of ATL's routes to Europe are only summer-seasonal, but even though those have year-round service from JFK, most of them are not even daily, like NCE or NCE. As such, it would be hard to justify this route based on Euro connections. Looking at the market, DL would probably have to live with a split of 1/4 Euro-bound pax, and another 3/4 NYC-bound pax from JFK, and perhaps a few to other NE cities, and I doubt DL could generate that level of traffic for the flight, at least not at reasonable yields.


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