EddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7640 posts, RR: 42
Reply 2, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 3404 times:
Hola Fernando, how are you? Welcome to airliners.net. I am completely certain that you will enjoy reading the threads in this and the other forums, looking at the pictures, and posting your opinions and questions. I look forward to discussing interesting aviation matters with you.
It is not just AA and IB who codeshare with MX. It is also QF, JL and LA, which indeed suggests MX is leaning towards applying for membership. Moreover, little by little the codeshare agreements with Star Alliance carriers have been dropped, like AC, RG, NZ, etc. I am sure that the LH agreement will be dropped quite soon.
I don't know about gentlemen agreements, but I think that, at the moment, MX is very wise to not commit to oneworld. However, the discontinuation of the codeshare agreements with Star members suggests that they are maybe interested in oneworld. I support MX with the decision they make... I am sure they will be able to determine soon whether going solo with multiple partners or joining oneworld is best for them.
Ghost77 From Mexico, joined Mar 2000, 5242 posts, RR: 51
Reply 4, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 3156 times:
Certainly not in the near future, dunno if goodly or badly but certainly all these alliance's programa's have been discard from MX program so far. Codeshares seems to work better. As well as MX strategy for the next days will be very interesting, such as, increasing its fleet and destinations and continue with the battle against LCC's.
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AA1818 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Feb 2006, 3448 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 3051 times:
I think there is no advantage to be gained right now for MX to join OW.....they are getting the feeder traffic, have codeshares to important destinations and have other more important things to focus on. I do however believe that within 24 months, MX will join an alliance (as of now OW), once thay have completed fleet renewall/ expansion and route expansion, especially in central america and in europe/ asia!!!
Good luck to MX and would love to see you in OW!!!!!!!
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Krasof From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 59 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 2868 times:
Quoting AA1818 (Reply 5): I think there is no advantage to be gained right now for MX to join OW
I think those passengers that value alliance benefits (elite check-in, boarding, lounge access, etc) would surely advantage from MX joining. Their FF programme is good but it is hardly valued since it only applies in MX flights
Avatordon From United States of America, joined May 2006, 239 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2732 times:
I think TAM joining oneworld w/LAN makes perfect sense - their networks compete more in Chile-Brazil markets, but complement each other elsewhere, that is, LAN in Western South America, TAM in Eastern. It would be like saying IB shouldn't join OW because BA is a member. Check out the route network. Besides, TAM code-shares w/AA as it is. Might make a nice fit.
EddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7640 posts, RR: 42
Reply 15, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2625 times:
Hey nzrich, thanks for the clarification. As much as I like MX and NZ being codeshare partners, I have to wonder if they will continue to be partners now that the QF codeshare agreement has become effective. Of course you could argue that the QF codeshare does not grant MX's passengers access to New Zealand, but who knows. As for the other Star Carriers, it has been mentioned here that the LH codeshare is short-lived.
Quoting BOAC911 (Reply 11): Strangely AA is not code-sharing on any MX Mexico-US flight
I am not sure that is correct. I know they codeshare on the MEX-JFK flights. And I would not be surprised to see AA's code on MX's flights to MIA, LAX and DFW at least.
If the future of MX is uncertain when it comes to alliances, JJ is a complete enigma. They are very wise to be close to AA and AF, but I don't think there is any element at the moment that could point to JJ's interest in joining oneworld or SkyTeam soon. I would also love to see them join SkyTeam but for now it is better for them to codeshare with whoever offers them good growth opportunities. In any case, we should see JJ expanding their international route map substantially before they get serious about considering an alliance.
Commavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 12096 posts, RR: 62
Reply 16, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2615 times:
Quoting Krasof (Thread starter): After abandoning Star Alliance and now with code-share agreements with AA and Iberia, will Mexicana be on track to join Oneworld any time in the future?
Personally, I regard the prospect of Mexicana joining oneworld as a matter of when, not if. It is a clearly obvious fit, and with Mexicana now deeply linked with AA, plus having strong bilateral relationships with oneworld Latin America heavy hitters LAN and Iberia, I think it's only a matter of time.
Quoting EddieDude (Reply 15): If the future of MX is uncertain when it comes to alliances, JJ is a complete enigma. They are very wise to be close to AA and AF, but I don't think there is any element at the moment that could point to JJ's interest in joining oneworld or SkyTeam soon.
Agreed. TAM is being very smart by hedging their bets with both Air France (SkyTeam) and American (oneworld). Long-term, I think either partner, and either alliance, could hold strong promise for TAM, but it will no doubt be a difficult choice for them. The oneworld alliance would provide them with far, far greater feed and emphasis on the Latin American world, but the love-hate relationship between JJ and AA is a problem: JJ badly needs AA to feed thousands of passengers per month onto their planes in GRU and GIG, but they don't like AA stepping on their toes on the U.S.-Brazil flights. On the flip side, AA needs TAM to give them internal feed in the vast Brazilian domestic market, but has been heavily resistant to TAM infringement on the AA dominance between the U.S. and Brazil. If TAM hypothetically switched to SkyTeam, they'd lose all the AA feed and get some from Delta, albeit less feed with far fewer flights to Brazil from the U.S. An interesting powerplay either way.
Nzrich From New Zealand, joined Dec 2005, 1525 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2572 times:
Quoting EddieDude (Reply 15): Hey nzrich, thanks for the clarification. As much as I like MX and NZ being codeshare partners, I have to wonder if they will continue to be partners now that the QF codeshare agreement has become effective. Of course you could argue that the QF codeshare does not grant MX's passengers access to New Zealand, but who knows. As for the other Star Carriers, it has been mentioned here that the LH codeshare is short-lived.
Personally i dont see any problem with NZ and MX still code sharing..NZ has got some code shares in place with one world anyway like soon to be JAL even thou ANA is in star.. Also NZ is wanting to codeshare with QF between NZ and Aussie so why would it want to drop MX..If it is not broken why try to fix it..