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User currently offlineAC777LR From Canada, joined Apr 2006, 487 posts, RR: 41
Posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 86935 times:

Air Canada has installed the new lie flat sleeper pods now in Boeing 767 and pics are posted at least on Jetphotos.net. They look great!!! When will the plane take to the Sky's, if it hasn't already? Check out the first pics.



http://www.jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=5830218

[Edited 2006-10-07 03:42:14]


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User currently offlineFoppishbum From Taiwan, joined Mar 2006, 814 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 86935 times:

Wow! It DOES look great! Seems like Virgin Atlantic came up with a really good idea so everybody else is using it! Big grin

By the way, does it feel weird to fly sitting sorta slanted?...just curious.


foppishbum



I'm a Taiwanese-American living in NYC and LA.
User currently offlineSQuared From Canada, joined May 2005, 387 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 86918 times:

Finally, it's finished! The first plane was supposed to be ready by May/June, but kept on being pushed back. Let's hope the next few planes for project XM go a bit quicker!

SQuared


User currently offlineAirCanada014 From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 1513 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 86849 times:

thats awesome finally the first B767-300ER to get a nice lie flat suite.. I can't wait to try one out someday.

User currently offlineUAL757 From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 806 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 86773 times:

jetphotos.net, hmm lets see how fast that post gets deleted!

User currently offlineSalomon From Canada, joined Jun 2006, 205 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 86685 times:

Quoting UAL757 (Reply 4):
jetphotos.net, hmm lets see how fast that post gets deleted!

 silly  There u go: http://www.airliners.net/open.file/1120995/M/



Takeoffs are optional; landings are mandatory.
User currently offlineConnies4ever From Canada, joined Feb 2006, 4066 posts, RR: 13
Reply 6, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 86538 times:

Quoting AirCanada014 (Reply 3):
thats awesome finally the first B767-300ER to get a nice lie flat suite.. I can't wait to try one out someday.

This all looks mighty impressive and all, but, hypothetically (since I'm never going to pay personally for JF), what if you want to sit WITH your travel partner ? The new trend in premium biz long haul seems to preclude this from happening.



Nostalgia isn't what it used to be.
User currently offlineCessnapimp From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 1320 posts, RR: 19
Reply 7, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 86292 times:

Quoting Connies4ever (Reply 6):
what if you want to sit WITH your travel partner ?

AC has done very careful research with regards to this. The same can be argued about couples, and children. Well, it has been deemed that Transat buisness people value getting work done (alone most of the time) as fast and as privately as possible and then rest without being disturbed. And so both the new Executive First "Comfort Seats" and the changes to Exec. First service flow are reflecting that.

Those of you that may flown AC in Exec First in the past 2/3 months (depending on Transat/Transpac route) have noticed that we have dispensed with the manual setup of the tables in favour of trays. This is not only to minimise presence in the aisles, but most importantly to cut that 1st service time by at least 20-30 mins. The service as it was before was very nice, but really long. From what I got from customers recently, they appreciate the faster service flow, so they can move to more important things ASAP like sleeping and working, and watching movies.

Also important to note that with those berths, ailses up front are a little narrower, on the 67 at least.

Cheers!


User currently offlineLeezyjet From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 4041 posts, RR: 53
Reply 8, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 86201 times:

Quoting Cessnapimp (Reply 7):
Those of you that may flown AC in Exec First in the past 2/3 months (depending on Transat/Transpac route) have noticed that we have dispensed with the manual setup of the tables in favour of trays. This is not only to minimise presence in the aisles, but most importantly to cut that 1st service time by at least 20-30 mins

Thats funny, not only have they copied the VS J class cabin layout, they are also now copying the service. VS recently changed back to tray service in J for the same reasons.

That cabin layout must have proved itself as a good use of space for another airline to copy it.

Quoting Connies4ever (Reply 6):
This all looks mighty impressive and all, but, hypothetically (since I'm never going to pay personally for JF), what if you want to sit WITH your travel partner ?

A majority of the people travelling in those classes are travelling alone and on business, even people on business that travel together usually state they don't want to sit with work colleauges as usually the flight is the only part of the business trip that they get to relax and not talk shop. Generaly people travelling as couples make up a very small % of the J cabins therefore I guess they just have to put up with the cabin layout.

 Smile



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User currently offlineFoppishbum From Taiwan, joined Mar 2006, 814 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 86177 times:

Quoting Connies4ever (Reply 6):
what if you want to sit WITH your travel partner ? The new trend in premium biz long haul seems to preclude this from happening.

Air Canada's new seats are better than Emirate's...the first class suite......with a sliding door. Whenever I travel with my partner in business class, we each get our own window seat (cus we're both aviation fans) so this won't be a huge change for us! Big grin Just that, we'll have to twist our head to look outside. Big grin

cheers,
foppishbum



I'm a Taiwanese-American living in NYC and LA.
User currently offlineAirCanada014 From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 1513 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 86121 times:

Is there a picture with new economy seats with built in PTVs for AVOD?..

User currently offlineAJO From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 575 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 86093 times:

So is this business class or first? Will the 767s be 3-class or 2-class?


Ryanair: never again!
User currently offlineAirCanada014 From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 1513 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 86063 times:

Quoting AJO (Reply 11):
So is this business class or first? Will the 767s be 3-class or 2-class

AC will be 2 class of service.. Its Executive First.. business first.


User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 13, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 86020 times:

Quoting Foppishbum (Reply 9):
Air Canada's new seats are better than Emirate's...the first class suite......with a sliding door.

They're not even remotely close. This is a business class product, and bears absolutely no similarity to Emirates FC product except that they both lie flat.

NS


User currently offlineFLYACYYZ From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 1914 posts, RR: 12
Reply 14, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 85998 times:

Quoting AirCanada014 (Reply 10):
Is there a picture with new economy seats with built in PTVs for AVOD?..

Nothing in print yet, but the same seats as the E175/190's.

In-Flight "mood" lighting is on order, and will be installed at a later date on the 763's.



Above and Beyond
User currently offlineDILF From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 85991 times:

I'm sure that I'm in the minority here, but I hate the way these sleeper lie-flat seats make an airplane cabin look. The one shown looks like you're walking into a beauty parlor. The only thing missing are hairdryers suspended over each seat.

Is it really a nice feeling to sit in a closed-in coffin-like pod for a long flight?


User currently offlineFoppishbum From Taiwan, joined Mar 2006, 814 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 85981 times:

Quoting Gigneil (Reply 13):
They're not even remotely close.

Sorry...I wasn't being clear. I meant that Emirate's first class seats are so isolated with each other with sliding doors that you can shut. And with Air Canada's business class seats, you can at least see your travel partner(s). I know the difference between first class and business class. Big grin

cheers,
foppishbum



I'm a Taiwanese-American living in NYC and LA.
User currently offlineFLYACYYZ From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 1914 posts, RR: 12
Reply 17, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 85921 times:

Quoting AC777LR (Thread starter):
When will the plane take to the Sky's, if it hasn't already?

At last check (I don't believe it's taken to the skies yet) is AC866/09 Oct YUL-LHR.

The first aircraft was to be designated on AC878/9 YYZ-ZRH/DEL, but would suspect it's doing a "dry" run to work out any operating glitches to LHR, as AC has a substantial number of its own maintenance personnel located at Heathrow.

Refurbishment should be stepped up from here on in, as the first aircraft was plagued by interior equipment delays, apparently a copyright issue on the seat design, and Transport Canada regulatory approval.



Above and Beyond
User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8323 posts, RR: 7
Reply 18, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 85509 times:
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Nice job Air Canada, I can't wait to see it on the new 777-300ER fleet. This may be the best Business Class in the Star Alliance. I wonder if British Airways has a similar Club product coming out ?

User currently offlineKrisYYZ From Canada, joined Nov 2004, 1593 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 85402 times:

Looks nice!

What happened to the B777-style overhead bins?
I'm interested in seeing the new economy class on the B767/A333s with PTVs and the new seats.

KrisYYZ


User currently offlineSimong From Canada, joined Jan 2005, 103 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 85218 times:

I guess it all comes back to the Flat Bed vs Lie Flat issue ....... BA is Flat Bed already and their New Club World will obviously be even more of an improvement. What angle does this new AC lie flat seat go to ........... I can see someone slipping right off and into the isle !


BA all the way !!!
User currently offlineEI A330-200 From Sweden, joined Apr 2001, 409 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 85171 times:

Pretty sure these are Flat Bed, not Lie Flat (you know, at a 180 degree angle). Just my guess


Long live Aer Lingus, the Flying Shamrock!
User currently offlineSQuared From Canada, joined May 2005, 387 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 85092 times:

Quoting Simong (Reply 20):
What angle does this new AC lie flat seat go to ........... I can see someone slipping right off and into the isle !

Like the VS, NZ and new CX seat, it is a fully flat-bed seat.

SQuared


User currently offlineFlight7E7 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 103 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 85040 times:

I'm sure that I'm in the minority here, but I hate the way these sleeper lie-flat seats make an airplane cabin look. The one shown looks like you're walking into a beauty parlor. The only thing missing are hairdryers suspended over each seat.

Is it really a nice feeling to sit in a closed-in coffin-like pod for a long flight?


Well, we are in the same minority. Recently flew VS EWR/LHR in on of those seats and it was terrible. They are narrow, you cannot see out of the window unless you want to be fitted for a neck brace, there is no storage space at all, and facing sideways isn't all it's cracked up to be.

This being said, the VS service has gone to hell in a handbasket. Terrible....dont know what Richie has his shorts in a twist about-BA just smiply does it better....especially those tea sandwiches right before landing!

So, there is MHO....but then again, I have flown SQ in F way too many times.....now that is a ride I always look forward to..wouldn't mind staying up there more than the 13 hours to/from HK, etc.

Cheers!

 Big grin  airplane   bigthumbsup 


User currently offlineArdian From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 544 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 85041 times:

It looks great! Especially the lighting and 'wave'-pattern. I think it's pretty cosy  Smile I will fly to YVR next summer, so hopefully I will be on one of these planes.
Can the ottoman be used as a 'seat' (for dining with another)?


25 BOE773 : I like it as well but I find it a bit strange that the exterior of the aircraft is predominately green while the interior is blue.
26 Cessnapimp : Nope it cannot; it's written in small letters on the ottoman. Besides, it's too narrow to use as a seat. Hmm... that's debatable, as there is some gr
27 Legallykev : I think it looks great! However am I the only one thinking the seats look a little narrow?
28 FLYACYYZ : Been flying on the EMB's and the refurbished 320's, and there is absolutely no green in the seat fabric. It's true blue. How's this for some Marketin
29 AirCanada014 : It is going to be weird to fly in the new cabin especially from different angle. But I'm looking forward to trying it out someday. It does look narrow
30 BOE773 : I wonder if this product will entice pax from BA ?
31 Simong : OK .... thats good .... I thought perhaps it was a lie flat like on the A340-500's, vs flat bed ..... big difference. AC is getting it right ! It too
32 Nimish : Does the DEL-ZRH-YYZ sector get a lot of premium demand?
33 Simong : OK .... thats good .... I thought perhaps it was a lie flat like on the A340-500's, vs flat bed ..... big difference. AC is getting it right ! It too
34 Post contains links Cessnapimp : Quite right. I was referring to an older prototype fabric we showed a while back. http://myaviation.net/search/photo_search.php?id=00214816&size=medi
35 Piercey : It wasn't a copy per se, they just contracted out the same company as VS, NZ, and, recently, CX.
36 BOE773 : Who or where are these modules manufactured? I'm sure looking forward to snuggling into one on a long haul.
37 MarkHKG : I think it's fascinating that AC decided to adopt a seat-belt/airbag hybrid that has a car-seat style attachment (i.e. push button) instead of the sta
38 Multimark : Most of the time I've looked at an a/c in the full new livery (not the interrim one) the fuselage colour appears blue, not green.
39 Post contains images BOE773 : Then I must be going color blind, Multimark. I'd still bet my bottom dolla that toothpaste green best describes the exterior color. But I do like the
40 Legallykev : That is the stupidest thing I've ever heard! Especially coming from a Canadian. Maybe it's time you go out and buy a Canadian dictionary vs. being la
41 Post contains images ThePRGuy : That is a really nice suite, I'd love to fly with them in that class ! Thanks Alex
42 DILF : It's dervish. With a 'v'. What was that about spellcheck? But, I'm an American, so what do I know?
43 Legallykev : Well Typos do happen. I'm not spitting on American spelling, that's the way you guys spell and there is nothing wrong with that. But it's sad when Ca
44 DILF : Or of people who are wannabe Americans!
45 Post contains images BOE773 : No offense Legallykev, relax and slaken that belt, my friend. I just like the 'modern' way of spelling words as I find that there is no need to compl
46 AirCanada014 : I wish AC could have used the B777 overhead bin style instead of keeping their old style it would have improved much for different atomosphere right?.
47 Post contains links AirCanada014 : I've found it.. Shows the chart for fleet Refurbishment Complete By Next Summer. As you can see they have B767-200 doing makeover too. Here's the link
48 BOE773 : I hope that Air Canada fly the -200s long enough after their 'Extreme Makover' to recoup their return on investment and more.
49 EnviroTO : I'm surprised at the lack of 777 style interiors in the makeover as well. At first there was talk of winglets, 777 style interiors, and new seats. I k
50 Salomon : A bit off topic but yesterday, on quebec tv, Michael Ignatieff (liberal) said on an interview: ''There is at least one thing that all canadians have i
51 BOE773 : You are still thinking in the past my friend. Air Canada has the best product in the Canadian sky as well as their International routes and their pax
52 Salomon : Hey, I agree 100% with you! In fact, all the people involved in canadian aviation probably agree. But the average Joe still sees Air Canada like a mo
53 AC7E7 : I think Ignatieff should stick to the issues. I finally flew on an E-jet last week. Those new IFE are great! It blows Westjet's system out the window
54 Jamincan : I have a bit of a problem accepting that Michael Ignatieff is an authority on anything having to do with all Canadians. How long has he been here now
55 Multimark : I spell the CANADIAN way.
56 Salomon : According to his website, he studied at Oxford, Toronto and Harvard. Hes also been a journalist and worked in different international commissions. So
57 Legallykev : Thank you! I thought I was the only one
58 CayMan : Actually, no it is not British spelling. Some canadian words are spelled according to british norms, but many many are not: organise, gaol, aeroplane
59 Post contains images BOE773 : Wel writen CayMan. Notice I leaving unesary leters out. Heck, if anything we ned to modernize the English languge some more to make it easier for tho
60 BOE773 : I have a sugestion. Air Canada give Mr Michael Ignatief a nice ride in one of those plush loking nooks and be real nice to him just as they are to th
61 Legallykev : Offence is spelt with a 'C'. Spelling it with an 'S' is the American way. Spelling 'colour' with out a U is not 'modern'; it's American. I don't know
62 AirCanada014 : I thought if you add U to colour, neighbour, labour and so on is Canadian not the US way?... Those seats will look good on B777s and B787s.. So where
63 Threepoint : (Apologies if my version of spelling irritates anybody) What is the difference between flat bed and lie flat? It would seem that each would be, well,
64 Post contains links and images SQuared : A flat bed is horizontal. BA, VS, NZ, and SA all have flat bed seats in J. View Large View MediumPhoto © Hannes Meyer Lie-flat, is slanted, the
65 BOE773 : American, American ,American!!!!!!!!!!! Ever taken your kids to Disney Land? Ever been to Hawaii? Ever seen a Shuttle launch? Listened to Elvis? Ever
66 BOE773 : Those seats look like they should be in a museum and not in an aircraft !!
67 Legallykev : I never said I disliked America. But America is not Canada, and too many people such as you think of us as the 51st state, which we are not. We have
68 DFORCE1 : Back to topic.... What other routes will take priority being flown by the newly refurbished XM aircraft? We've already established the Toronto-Zurich-
69 Post contains images Marco : Well Typos do happen. I'm not spitting on American spelling, that's the way you guys spell and there is nothing wrong with that. But it's sad when Can
70 Accargo : We have????????? Someone better get in contact with AC SOC, cause they don't seem to have that info. It's not planned for ZRH-DEL so far.
71 FLYACYYZ : The best laid plans............. Planned routing for the next 48 hours: 864/11 YUL-LHR 849/12 LHR-YYZ 426/12 YYZ-YUL 866/12 YUL-LHR 859/13 LHR-YYZ An
72 BOE773 : Eh ? Canadian spelling? Isn't it either English or modern American spelling? What else is there?
73 AC777LR : What does Spelling have to do with this thread????? Keep this ON TOPIC or MODs Lock this NONSENSE!!!
74 RP TPA : Thank you.
75 Post contains links Salomon : Another pic[Edited 2006-10-12 16:39:37]
76 Post contains images Ardian : That looks very tidy. I like it. I also like the stylish blue mapleleaf on the bulkhead. Nice job from AC
77 Post contains links KrisYYZ : AC has updated its fleet page: http://www.aircanada.com/en/about/fleet/index.html The future fleet section has disappeared. KrisYYZ
78 Salomon : " target=_blank>http://www.aircanada.com/en/about/fl....html I never realized the E190 was longer than the A319![Edited 2006-10-12 20:59:16]
79 CXH : I realize this isn't really the question you asked, but when AC announced the new YYT-LHR flights on an 319 beginning in April 2007 [seasonal], they
80 HanginOut : How many seats will they have in the Executive First section of the 767s?
81 FLYACYYZ : 24 seats/8 rows/1X1X1 configuration
82 FLYACYYZ : 'XM' is just the abbreviation (X-treme Makeover) for the interior refurbishment program. The "Suites" will only be on most 767-300's, A330's, and all
83 FLYACYYZ : It needs to be updated again, as the 767-300, does not reflect "Layout 5", which as indicated above is 1X1X1.
84 IMatAMS : In what way are the 763's to LIM configured 'domestic?' AFIAK all 763's have a 2x2x1 or opposite Executive First, whereas the 762's have a 'domestic'
85 LongHauler : Yes ... and it is 20,000 Kgs lighter!!!
86 HanginOut : Thanks for the info FLYACYYZ. Due to the larger size of the new suites, does that mean there is less seating in the Y section of the plane?
87 CXH : Indeed, FLYACYYZ. Thanks for the clarification. That's why I started off by saying "I realize this isn't really the question you asked..." as the foc
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