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User currently offlineXpfg From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 633 posts, RR: 7
Posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 9343 times:

Just a factual heads up and start of discussion....N625VA has just arrived in SFO from VCV...the start of something?  Wink

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User currently offlineFoppishbum From Taiwan, joined Mar 2006, 790 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 9332 times:

Wow...that's cool! I hope they'll add SMF to ONT soon (although it is quite possible they'll never consider this route). Only Southwest flies this route and I'm kinda tired of flying with the same airline over and over and over and over again...

Anyone knows where is the destination of its first revenue flight?

P.S. Just a funny thing...whenever I fly SMF to ONT, the stwerdess would say something along the line of "We know you have many choices..blah blah blah...Thank you for choosing Southwest." Funny thing is, they're the only one that flies SMF to ONT. Big grin

cheers,
foppishbum

[Edited 2006-10-07 23:00:02]


I'm a TAIWANESE-American living in NYC and LA.
User currently offlineChrisNH From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 4013 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 9320 times:

Boy, I hope so. I can understand the existing mix of airlines in this country, with their probable attitude: "There are enough airlines competing, thank you very much." But I hope Virgin America takes to the air soon; their debut is long overdue and the 'reasons why' are all--or nearly all--political.

Chris in NH


User currently offlinePlanenutz From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 9029 times:

I believe that the plane is at SFO temporarily for photo ops for promotional material. Today (Sat) is was parked at UA mx with about three cranes hovering around it with cameramen snapping pictures.

User currently offlineQFSYD744 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 8987 times:

Quoting Foppishbum (Reply 1):
P.S. Just a funny thing...whenever I fly SMF to ONT, the stwerdess would say something along the line of "We know you have many choices..blah blah blah...Thank you for choosing Southwest." Funny thing is, they're the only one that flies SMF to ONT.

Mate with 12 or 14 flights per day I am sure Southwest Airlines is more than happy operating the SMF-ONT route!  wink 


User currently offlineBayAreaPilot From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 73 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 8925 times:

Any idea what it was doing in VCV? It was only there for a day accorinding to flightaware.

User currently offlineXpfg From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 633 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 8866 times:

I have found out what is actually going on at this time. I work at the airport and was unaware of the circumstances, but having spoken to some people who are in coordination with the company (virgin america), I'm sure you'll all hear the news in the coming couple of days.  Smile

Very nice livery, and love the new tail!


User currently offlineBigGSFO From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2889 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 8862 times:

Did anybody catch any photos of her today?

User currently offlineWDBRR From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 610 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 8749 times:

Does anyone know what gates they will get or looking at?

User currently offlineWsan581 From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 178 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 8700 times:

Quoting BayAreaPilot (Reply 5):
Any idea what it was doing in VCV?

Rumor has it that VCV will be there new base!!  Wink

In all seriousness though, I wish them the best



Blue Skies Ahead!!
User currently offlineNonfirm From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 434 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 8204 times:

Quoting Xpfg (Reply 6):
I have found out what is actually going on at this time. I work at the airport and was unaware of the circumstances, but having spoken to some people who are in coordination with the company (virgin america), I'm sure you'll all hear the news in the coming couple of days.

Very nice livery, and love the new tail!

Lets go spill you guts.Don't make everyone wait.
 bouncy   airplane 


User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5231 posts, RR: 14
Reply 11, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 8009 times:

That would be exciting to hear some start-up news soon from VX!
(Has anyone in SAN seen any sign of new ticket counter installs recently?) I just have this feeling...

Quoting Foppishbum (Reply 1):
Funny thing is, they're [WN] the only one that flies SMF to ONT.



Quoting QFSYD744 (Reply 4):
Mate with 12 or 14 flights per day I am sure Southwest Airlines is more than happy operating the SMF-ONT route!

Foppish, WN has LOTS of CA routes to themselves (I don't know if "monopolies" is a correct term in this case) such as from SMF, including the 14 n/s each day to SAN because UA in particular seems to have run away from the fight. (UA has flown SAN-SMF in the past but abruptly pulled out and left all that state-governmental-gravy to WN!) I would love to see AS or VX (or B6 or F9 or ???) jump in and provide some competition since UA doesn't want to play...

However, it can never be said that WN doesn't fully support a heavily traveled route; they fly 44 intra-state roundtrips each day from SAN to OAK (20!), SMF (14) and SJC (10). That's just under half of their entire 92-flight daily operation from Lindbergh. And, as of now, the only intra-CA competition they have is Eagle flights between SAN and SJC.

But back to this thread's topic,

Quoting Xpfg (Reply 6):
I have found out what is actually going on [with VX] at this time.

yeah, come on Xpfg, please? We promise we won't tell where we heard it!  Wink

bb


User currently offlineFutureFO From Ireland, joined Oct 2001, 3132 posts, RR: 22
Reply 12, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 7716 times:

If I'm not mistaken they have not gotten the approval to start any type of service yet. The Federal government is still holding back the operation. As UA and CO are fighting tooth and nail to get the thought of the airline put to rest.


I Don't know where I am anymore
User currently offlineChrisNH From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 4013 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 7457 times:

Quoting FutureFO (Reply 12):
The Federal government is still holding back the operation. As UA and CO are fighting tooth and nail to get the thought of the airline put to rest.

If the fortunes of an airline rest on the misfortunes of others, then that explains a lot about CO and UA.


User currently offlineAirRyan From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 2532 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 6370 times:

A startup "low-cost" carrier headquartered in perhaps the most expensive cost of living community in the Nation? Something tells me that's a recipe for failure.

User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12090 posts, RR: 50
Reply 15, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 6353 times:

Quoting AirRyan (Reply 14):
A startup "low-cost" carrier headquartered in perhaps the most expensive cost of living community in the Nation? Something tells me that's a recipe for failure.

Could not agree more with you



You can cut the irony with a knife
User currently offlineQFSYD744 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 6288 times:

Quoting SANFan (Reply 11):
Foppish, WN has LOTS of CA routes to themselves (I don't know if "monopolies" is a correct term in this case) such as from SMF, including the 14 n/s each day to SAN because UA in particular seems to have run away from the fight. (UA has flown SAN-SMF in the past but abruptly pulled out and left all that state-governmental-gravy to WN!) I would love to see AS or VX (or B6 or F9 or ???) jump in and provide some competition since UA doesn't want to play...

However, it can never be said that WN doesn't fully support a heavily traveled route; they fly 44 intra-state roundtrips each day from SAN to OAK (20!), SMF (14) and SJC (10). That's just under half of their entire 92-flight daily operation from Lindbergh. And, as of now, the only intra-CA competition they have is Eagle flights between SAN and SJC

Routes within California with WN monopoly:

OAK-ONT
OAK-BUR
OAK-SAN
SJC-ONT
SJC-BUR
SMF-ONT
SMF-BUR
SMF-SAN

Routes within California that WN dominates:

OAK-LAX
OAK-SAN
SJC-LAX
SJC-SAN
SMF-LAX
SMF-SNA


User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5231 posts, RR: 14
Reply 17, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 4359 times:

Quoting SANFan (Reply 11):
the only intra-CA competition they have is Eagle flights between SAN and SJC.

Sorry folks, I didn't word this part of my post correctly. I meant to say:
"the only intra-CA competition they [WN] have OUT OF SAN is Eagle flights between SAN and SJC." (There is obviously competition on other routes within CA.) That's what happens when I post at 3 in the morning...  ill 

bb


User currently offlineBCAL From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2004, 3384 posts, RR: 17
Reply 18, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 4081 times:

According to reports that I have read, Virgin America has now taken delivery of 6 aircraft. Unless these aircraft have been chartered out for the short term, they must be sitting idle on the ground haemorrhaging money earmarked for the initial months/years of operation until the airline starts turning a profit. Just how long can VA survive with its fleet sitting idle on the ground, not to mention all the staff on the payroll?


MOL on SRB's latest attack at BA: "It's like a little Chihuahua barking at a dying Labrador. Nobody cares."
User currently offlineFutureFO From Ireland, joined Oct 2001, 3132 posts, RR: 22
Reply 19, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 4023 times:

They have been sitting around as far as I know. They actually pay their F/A's less than most regionals. SO it amazes why people want to work there.


I Don't know where I am anymore
User currently offlineAmerican777 From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 3669 times:

Quoting Xpfg (Thread starter):
N625VA has just arrived in SFO

So has N622VA.

Big version: Width: 1214 Height: 756 File size: 104kb
First Virgin America A321.


JOE. Big grin

[Edited 2006-10-17 04:25:47]

User currently offlineJuventus From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2835 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 3478 times:

San Francisco is the most expensive city in the US. Why did they pick SFO???The LCCs tend to look at Oakland a bit more.

User currently offlineBigGSFO From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2889 posts, RR: 6
Reply 22, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 3440 times:

Quoting Juventus (Reply 21):
San Francisco is the most expensive city in the US. Why did they pick SFO???The LCCs tend to look at Oakland a bit more.

Not to split hairs, but Aspen, CO is.  Smile And why not add an LCC to SFO? It's time we had one that offered more than one or two destinations. And let's not count Ted becuase that isn't a LCC.

The Bay Area is one of the largest metro areas in the country with very little competition at SFO against powerhouse UA. Virgin's brand will no doubt appeal to both resdients in the City and Silicon Valley. JetBlue has done an excellent job at siphoning traffic away from SFO to OAK and I would imagine VX will challenge that. I am curious as to which terminal VX plans to operate from - all of the current terminals are fairly well used unless they plan to renovate the central terminal - which will take some time.


User currently offlineMasseyBrown From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 5222 posts, RR: 7
Reply 23, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 3374 times:

An article in today's Wall Street Journal about DHL buying 40% of Polar made me think what DP did right and Virgin has done wrong. DP stripped the profit and intercompany relations control mechanisms out of DHL and kept it an "American" airline, although dependent on DP.

Branson should have done it the DP way - rip all the profit wickets and interline/agency functions out of Virgin America and put them in a Branson-controlled non-airline subsidiary, while making VA a purely "American" contract airplane provider. Unfortunately he hired a bunch of old-school managers who haven't had an original thought in 10 years.



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