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LTU Adds Flights To Las Vegas  
User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33032 posts, RR: 71
Posted (8 years 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 5823 times:

LTU will begin Las Vegas-Dusseldorf service this coming summer.

LT 1520 DUS 1030-1245 LAS 332 Th
LT 1520 DUS 1130-1345 LAS 332 Mo

LT 1521 LAS 1430-0950+1 DUS 332 Th
LT 1521 LAS 1530-1050+1 DUS 332 Mo

Flights start 3 May 2007.

Las Vegas will be the fifth city in LTU's US network, replacing service to Orlando ending this month. German PR:

http://www.fliegertarife.de/index.ph...ontent&task=view&id=1233&Itemid=42


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User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 1, posted (8 years 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 5749 times:

Looks like they want to compete with DE, which operates FRA-LAS.

That being said, given that LAS is mostly leisure, isn't this more actually going away from their plans of becoming a more business orientated airline? I'm totally lost with LT.


User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5934 posts, RR: 40
Reply 2, posted (8 years 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 5703 times:

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 1):
I'm totally lost with LT.

not only you!

I doubt LasVegas is a good decicion for a new destination, market is already very good served with the DE flights and all the x conections offered from the US-Airlines via there hubs.

regards
Avianca



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User currently offlineQFSYD744 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (8 years 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 5641 times:

Quoting Avianca (Reply 2):
I doubt LasVegas is a good decicion for a new destination, market is already very good served with the DE flights and all the x conections offered from the US-Airlines via there hubs

There is a strong market for Las Vegas. At current Las Vegas sees the following long-haul International routes:

BMI - Manchester (332)
Condor - Frankfurt (763)
Korean - Seoul (772)
MaxJet - Stansted (762)
My Travel - Manchester (332)
Philippines - Vancouver/Manila (343)
Virgin Atlantic - Gatwick (744)

Rumors abound for additional new long haul service!   
China Airlines : LAS-TPE
EuroFly : LAS-MXP
Lufthansa : LAS-MUC

[Edited 2006-10-08 05:21:11]

User currently offlineTriStar500 From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 4695 posts, RR: 42
Reply 4, posted (8 years 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 5486 times:

Since we don't know, how many of the seats have already been bought by tour operators, no one here can reliably estimate the financial viability of this service.


Homer: Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!
User currently offlineHumberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4923 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (8 years 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 5420 times:

Quoting QFSYD744 (Reply 3):
Lufthansa : LAS-MUC

I would have thought that route would have been more suited to Condor



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User currently offlineGkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24947 posts, RR: 56
Reply 6, posted (8 years 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 5413 times:

Quoting QFSYD744 (Reply 3):

Not forgetting
Glasgow-Las Vegas MyTravel A332 (runs for 4 weeks split load with MAN)
Glasgow-Las Vegas FlyGlobespan B763 2 x weekly starting this winter



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User currently offlineA342 From Germany, joined Jul 2005, 4689 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (8 years 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 5403 times:

Quoting Humberside (Reply 5):
Quoting QFSYD744 (Reply 3):
Lufthansa : LAS-MUC

I would have thought that route would have been more suited to Condor

Indeed, unlikely to be flown by LH, despite the US hub there. DEN is the most likely, followed by PHX.



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User currently offlineQFSYD744 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (8 years 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 5324 times:

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 6):
Not forgetting
Glasgow-Las Vegas MyTravel A332 (runs for 4 weeks split load with MAN)
Glasgow-Las Vegas FlyGlobespan B763 2 x weekly starting this winter

 checkmark  Good one mate, forgot about that. Further proof that Las Vegas is a viable international market. Current stats show that Las Vegas city proper is about 540,000 people. With the surrounding areas 1, 700, 000+. That is definitely a demand for O/D.


User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5934 posts, RR: 40
Reply 9, posted (8 years 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 5316 times:

Quoting QFSYD744 (Reply 3):
There is a strong market for Las Vegas. At current Las Vegas sees the following long-haul International routes:

but I doub that there is much more open market ex germany for "charter" carriers like DE or LT, as mentiond before there are so many conections offered from the airlines via there USA hubs....

regards



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User currently offlineQFSYD744 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (8 years 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 5279 times:

Quoting Avianca (Reply 9):
but I doub that there is much more open market ex germany for "charter" carriers like DE or LT, as mentiond before there are so many conections offered from the airlines via there USA hubs....

The unique thing with charters is that for the most part and as is with the case of LT and DE. The charters are not reliant on U.S. outbound traffic, in contrast they are filled with inbound traffic. Anything that they pick up on the U.S. end is additional. Now in saying so Condor and LTU are offered in conjunction with a number of tour operators in Germany and throughout Europe that buy bulk space on the aircraft and fill the routes with holidaymakers.

LTU, would not start the route if there was no profit to be made. LTU, actually is looking at becoming a more scheduled airline, in saying so Las Vegas is a gamble either way. However, one thing can be said O/D to Las Vegas is remarkable. That is the reason that VS, BD, KE, PR, DE, LT, and others fly there. Business is assured, and seats filled.

FYI - One of my earlier posts include rumored new TATL service to Las Vegas. Include MartinAir LAS-AMS with the 763. It is not inked yet, but it is on the table!  wink 

[Edited 2006-10-08 17:17:06]

User currently offlineDacman From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 444 posts, RR: 8
Reply 11, posted (8 years 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 5278 times:
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User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5934 posts, RR: 40
Reply 12, posted (8 years 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 5269 times:

Quoting QFSYD744 (Reply 10):
LTU, would not start the route if there was no profit to be made. LTU, actually is looking at becoming a more scheduled airline

well they started in the past so much routes that were finally also not profitable  Wink



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User currently offlineQFSYD744 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (8 years 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 5263 times:

Quoting Avianca (Reply 12):
well they started in the past so much routes that were finally also not profitable

We are not in the past any longer, now are we? The past that you are referring to included the MD-11 and L1011 types within LTU, those days are long gone and LTU has a totally different focus now!  wink 


User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5934 posts, RR: 40
Reply 14, posted (8 years 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 5248 times:

Quoting QFSYD744 (Reply 13):
The past that you are referring to included the MD-11 and L1011 types within LTU, those days are long gone and LTU has a totally different focus now!

well when they were already bankruped and get tax-money to survive the mentioned babys were already gone.... my question what is the focus of them today, I can not see one!

cheers  Big grin



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User currently offlineQFSYD744 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (8 years 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 5241 times:

Quoting Avianca (Reply 14):
well when they were already bankruped and get tax-money to survive the mentioned babys were already gone.... my question what is the focus of them today, I can not see one!

You seem awfully upset with LTU, werer you on a delayed or cancelled flight of theirs? Why are you so negative about new air service from DUS-LAS on LTU?


User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5934 posts, RR: 40
Reply 16, posted (8 years 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 5101 times:

Quoting QFSYD744 (Reply 15):
You seem awfully upset with LTU, werer you on a delayed or cancelled flight of theirs? Why are you so negative about new air service from DUS-LAS on LTU?

do not get me wrong, I am not against LTU, used them only 2 times in the past (5 years ago muc-puj-muc and 4 years ago muc-ibz-muc) and the flights were very good including the inflight-service. Hop fully the flight to LAS will go well but I am not convinced as I do not see such a big left market from germany to Las Vegas.

regards
Andreas



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User currently offlineQFSYD744 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (8 years 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 5066 times:

Quoting Avianca (Reply 16):
I am not convinced as I do not see such a big left market from germany to Las Vegas.

Top European Tourists to Las Vegas market

1/ British
2/ German
3/ French
4/ Italian
5/ Dutch


User currently offlineAirCop From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (8 years 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 5041 times:

Quoting QFSYD744 (Reply 10):
LTU, actually is looking at becoming a more scheduled airline, in saying so Las Vegas is a gamble either way

Nice play on words here  biggrin  being Las Vegas in the gambling capital of the US.


User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5934 posts, RR: 40
Reply 19, posted (8 years 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 5030 times:

Quoting QFSYD744 (Reply 17):
Top European Tourists to Las Vegas market

1/ British
2/ German
3/ French
4/ Italian
5/ Dutch

maybe the germans are number two from europe, but as mentiond before there are many carriers in the market,

just checked a randoom date, and AA, US, UA, DL, CO, DE, LH are all offering fares between 600 and 700 Euro including taxes, so I belive it will be hard for LT on the route only hope for them is if they will have fixed allotments with tour-operators wich I belive...

regards



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User currently offlineQFSYD744 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (8 years 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 5026 times:

Quoting Avianca (Reply 19):
but as mentiond before there are many carriers in the market,

Yes there are many carriers, however many carriers are not reliant on holidays traffic that is contract driven.

Quoting Avianca (Reply 19):
AA, US, UA, DL, CO, DE, LH are all offering fares between 600 and 700 Euro including taxes, so I belive it will be hard for LT on the route

You are of course forgetting the tour operator agreements/contracts between German/European agencies and LTU/Condor.


User currently offlineStylo777 From Germany, joined Feb 2006, 2990 posts, RR: 11
Reply 21, posted (8 years 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 4993 times:

btw.

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 1):
Looks like they want to compete with DE, which operates FRA-LAS

LTU will also open a new longhaul route from FRA:

on thursdays they will fly FRA-DXB and there is an additional FRA-PUJ flight on fridays (FRA-PUJ and FRA-POP on sundays)...


User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5934 posts, RR: 40
Reply 22, posted (8 years 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 4988 times:

Quoting Stylo777 (Reply 21):
on thursdays they will fly FRA-DXB

intresting, but I doubt also the success on the route.

regards



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User currently offlineQFSYD744 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (8 years 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 4965 times:

Quoting Avianca (Reply 22):
intresting, but I doubt also the success on the route.

Why?

Again, you seem to think that LTU is doomed on any flight...


User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5934 posts, RR: 40
Reply 24, posted (8 years 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 4959 times:

Quoting QFSYD744 (Reply 23):
Why?

Again, you seem to think that LTU is doomed on any flight...

because you have nearly 100 flights per week from germany to dxb + many flights to near citys with good conections (DOH, AUH)



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25 MAH4546 : Why? Is there any route you don't doubt their success on? They will likely do fine on FRA-DXB because they can fill it with holiday packages.
26 QFSYD744 : Mate, Be assured that if they could Emirates would be flying to every nook and cranny with a population over 200,000 in Germany. Fair play is fair ga
27 Avianca : who knows maybe we can find a route were I do not have doubts... to get a good amount of holiday packages they have to offer very very low fares to t
28 QFSYD744 : If the holiday companies are paying as little as 400Euros LTU is doing very, very well. In most cases, since the flights are 2 x weekly these flights
29 Avianca : lets see how long they will operate the routes....
30 Stylo777 : I am sure that LTU will make profit with FRA-DXB eventhough EK, LH, DE and EY (to AUH) flies every day that route. EK, LH and EY have in my eyes anoth
31 Avianca : LH yes, but EK and EY is transporting all kind of passengers what they get. of course LTU, but Emirates isnt fameless after the WorldCup in germany..
32 Stylo777 : believe me when I say LTU IS MORE KNOWN here in Germany than Emirates yes, they take what they get, but the main difference is that they don't work s
33 Avianca : I agree with you since my last reply that LTU is much more known in germany than emirates, but emirates isnt totally unknown more in germany.
34 SirOmega : Lots of Europeans like to come to LAS. And a growing number of LAS folk seem to like to go to Europe (specifically England, Germany and Italy). By 201
35 Post contains images A342 : Avianca is right. Competition from other carriers is strong. I also doubt that tourists want to see ONLY Las Vegas when they go over the pond. Yes, th
36 QFSYD744 : Ever heard of Thomas Cook? Kuoni? DER?
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