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NZ 744s In SIN And ROK - Upcoming  
User currently offlineTG992 From New Zealand, joined Jan 2001, 2910 posts, RR: 10
Posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 3321 times:

A Singapore based company Safe2Travel have chartered an NZ 744
to transport Singapore Military Troops from Singapore to Rockhampton.

The schedule involves 25 Charter flights mainly between ROK and SIN carrying the troops and 2
flights AKLSIN,
2 flights ROK – AKL,
1 flight AKL – ROK and
1 flight SINAKL positioning sectors giving a total of 31 sectors.

These flights will be done in 3 waves from
3 – 6 November,
17 – 22 November and
5 – 11 December.

Good opportunity to see the Koru in SIN again and a rare 744 visit there.


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User currently offlineTG992 From New Zealand, joined Jan 2001, 2910 posts, RR: 10
Reply 1, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 3313 times:

For those who want specifics, one example is..

06DEC NZ1923 dep ROK 1830 arrive SIN 2350
08DEC NZ6006 dep SIN 0735 arrive ROK 1700

10DEC NZ 1930 dep ROK 1725 arrive SIN 2245
11DEC NZ 6012 dep SIN 1150 arrive AKL 0230+1



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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12092 posts, RR: 18
Reply 2, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 3305 times:
AIRLINERS.NET CREW
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Where is ROK?

Regards


User currently offline767ER From Australia, joined Apr 2001, 1092 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 3299 times:

ROK is Rockhampton in Northern Queensland, Australia


Aircraft flown:F27,Viscount. EMB120, SAAB340, ATR70, 737-200.737-300,DC8, DC10,747-100,747-200,747-300,747-400, A320, A3
User currently offlineKaitak744 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 2368 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 3289 times:

Quoting 777ER (Reply 2):
Where is ROK?

Rockhampton, Queensland, Australia

Why are Singapore military troops on their way to Austrailia? And, since they are Singapore military, why NZ??? Aren't there a bunch of old SQ 747s lying around? Also, last time I checked, Singapore Airforce had a bunch of C-130 trasports. Why not use those?


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12092 posts, RR: 18
Reply 5, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 3270 times:
AIRLINERS.NET CREW
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Quoting 767ER (Reply 3):



Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 4):

Thank you


User currently offlineZKSUJ From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 7092 posts, RR: 12
Reply 6, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 3214 times:

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 4):
Why are Singapore military troops on their way to Austrailia?

The SIN armed forces travel all over the place. Some posted to Australia, some come to NZ for a stint, others go to the States etc. It's not all solely in SIN.

Great to hear than NZ will be seen in SIN, even if it is only for a unscheduled service


User currently offlineNZ767 From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 1620 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 3142 times:

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 4):
Why are Singapore military troops on their way to Austrailia? And, since they are Singapore military, why NZ???

They do these trips every year for annual exercises. Interesting to note, the training area they use here in NZ is larger than their entire country.

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 4):
Aren't there a bunch of old SQ 747s lying around?

I'd say the job was tendered out and Air NZ came up with the best deal.

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 4):
Also, last time I checked, Singapore Airforce had a bunch of C-130 trasports. Why not use those?

Quite simply, they're not big enough to carry the numbers required. Smile


User currently offlineZKNBX From New Zealand, joined Jul 2006, 464 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 3132 times:

What does this suggest about utilisation on NZ 744s... is the Air India lease still on, or is it in limbo? Rumour has it that loadings are now so strong on daily AKL-SFO that the route will change to 744 daily, on a permanant basis.

User currently offlineSingapore_Air From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13739 posts, RR: 19
Reply 9, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 3119 times:

It would be very interesting to see if this deal was made because:

1) Air New Zealand - a Member of Star Alliance - could do it more cost effectively for MINDEF

2) Singapore Airlines Limited - A Member of Star Alliance - has no spare B747s around. (Extremely likely)

3) The Latter has no spare 777s around

or a combination of one or more of the above.

Obviously I doubt we'll find out but even so, food for thought.



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User currently offlinePilotdude09 From Australia, joined May 2005, 1777 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 3111 times:

Quoting ZKNBX (Reply 8):
Rumour has it that loadings are now so strong on daily AKL-SFO that the route will change to 744 daily, on a permanant basis.

Which would leave NZ with a spare 777?



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User currently offlineV Jet From Australia, joined May 1999, 719 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 3102 times:

Quoting 767ER (Reply 3):
ROK is Rockhampton in Northern Queensland, Australia

ROK is in Central Queensland rather than Nth Queensland!


User currently offlineTG992 From New Zealand, joined Jan 2001, 2910 posts, RR: 10
Reply 12, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 3062 times:

Quoting Singapore_Air (Reply 9):
1) Air New Zealand - a Member of Star Alliance - could do it more cost effectively for MINDEF

I would imagine NZ were able to tender quite agressively for the contract, because of the current spare 747 and crew capacity. 31 747 sectors is definitely not income to be sneezed at.



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User currently offlineDocpepz From Singapore, joined May 2001, 1970 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2815 times:

Many charters for the Singapore Armed Forces (SAF) are done by airlines other than SQ. Eg Royal Brunei to Brunei, EVA Air to Taiwan, and NZ to AKL. Though my friends did go on the SQ 744 to Rockhampton about 3 years back I think. A tender is put out and the company that puts up the best deal is selected by the SAF.

I know the officers get to sit in J and the junior ranks sit in Y, but everyone gets Y food. But who cares about the food though, those lucky officers get to sit in NZ's Business Premier! Good for them!

Quoting ZKNBX (Reply 8):
They do these trips every year for annual exercises. Interesting to note, the training area they use here in NZ is larger than their entire country.

That's cos any war that's fought by Singapore will never be fought on Singapore's territory. By the time *they* get to us and our little island, we're dead. Singapore will always make the first move and fight it *there*. Queensland has rainforests and landscapes very similar to *there*, a certain country to the north of Singapore.

With bases in Australia, Thailand, Taiwan, France, USA and Europe, it ensures that if Singapore is ever attacked (presumably by the countries to the north and south of the island, again I am not mentioning names!) SIN troops and equipment can then be deployed from the north (Taiwan, Thailand) South (Australia) to corner those countries.


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