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D/FW Airport To Break Ground On New Taxiway  
User currently offlineDanairbus From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 3719 times:

http://dallas.bizjournals.com/dallas/stories/2006/10/09/daily2.html

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User currently offlineBigJimFX From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 321 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 3620 times:

Across from Snipers Point IIRC

FMI http://www.dfwairport.com/perimetertaxiways

[Edited 2006-10-10 02:15:51]


I'd like to thank me for flying Me Airways...
User currently offlineApodino From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 4317 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3562 times:

This is another big waste of money by DFW. The way that these taxiways are designed, it means that a plane landing on 35R lets say, will have to taxi all the way down past the 35C threshold, then back across and back up. This adds at least three miles to an already long taxi to begin with. Add to this AA taxi speeds, it could take an hour to reach the gate after landing, and thats if the gate is open. I have seen these in use in DTW, and they aren't any quicker than waiting for a departure than going, as is done in ATL, and there are never taxi issues there unless you land on 10-28.

And landing fees are going to be increased to pay for it I assume. God I hope that compromise is struck down by the courts.


User currently offlineBHMNONREV From Australia, joined Aug 2003, 1383 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3517 times:

While it certainly will add to the taxi time, I think it is a great idea keeping all traffic moving, instead of the stop and go you see now. On my last trip thru DFW about a month ago we landed on 35R, taxied to 35C, waited for an inbound, proceeded across to 35L, waited for several departures. It's just like a huge chess game, where arrivals wait for departures, departures wait for arrivals, one big mess.

What the airlines may lose in increased taxi times they should get back in fewer delays...


User currently offlineDeltaFFinDFW From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1447 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 3408 times:

The only sad thing is that Founders Plaza will be closed. They will relocate it somewhere else on the airport grounds.

User currently offlineFlyf15 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 3401 times:

There is a taxiway like that in DTW... Q. It works well and doesn't really add too much time at all to the taxi.



Lower left corner.


User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 1001 posts, RR: 51
Reply 6, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 3401 times:

Quoting Apodino (Reply 2):
The way that these taxiways are designed, it means that a plane landing on 35R lets say, will have to taxi all the way down past the 35C threshold, then back across and back up. This adds at least three miles to an already long taxi to begin with

It's a longer distance, but it's a continous flow.

Quoting Apodino (Reply 2):
And landing fees are going to be increased to pay for it I assume.

That's a forgone conclusion.  Yeah sure

The project is estimated at around $70 million, which is well within the capital budget of an airport like DFW.

Quoting BHMNONREV (Reply 3):
It's just like a huge chess game, where arrivals wait for departures, departures wait for arrivals, one big mess.

DFW is hardly "one big mess." There's about a thousand other airports inline ahead of DFW for that title...

The strongest critique of DFW is the terminal layout. The runways and taxiways are layed out very well and allow a tremendous volume of flow. The basic design of DFW has become the modern standard as airports like DEN, ATL, and the ORD master plan have copied.


User currently offlineDeltaFFinDFW From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1447 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 3371 times:

Quoting Apodino (Reply 2):
And landing fees are going to be increased to pay for it I assume.



Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 6):
That's a forgone conclusion.

The project is estimated at around $70 million, which is well within the capital budget of an airport like DFW.

Not really. A quote from the press release: "The first quadrant of the perimeter taxiway system will cost an estimated $66.7 million, with 75 percent of the funding coming from the FAA. The remainder of the project will be funded by DFW."

They can use some of the $155MM payment from the Barnett Shale drilling contract to pay for their share.

[Edited 2006-10-11 01:17:36]

User currently offlineTeamAmerica From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 1761 posts, RR: 23
Reply 8, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 3371 times:

Quoting Apodino (Reply 2):
And landing fees are going to be increased to pay for it I assume. God I hope that compromise is struck down by the courts.

What compromise...what courts...what are you talking about?

Drawing of the proposed DFW perimeter taxiways:

Considering the size of DFW, this is one helluva lot of concrete!



Failure is not an option; it's an outcome.
User currently offlineTeamAmerica From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 1761 posts, RR: 23
Reply 9, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3336 times:

This video is interesting (if you have broadband):
Stream: http://www.dfwairport.com/media/perimetertaxiways.asf
Download: http://www.dfwairport.com/media/perimetertaxiways.zip

The first two minutes has lots of DFW aircraft action for spotters, but not much after (watch close and you'll see an ATA L-1011, and an AA F-100). The rest is coverage of NASA's "Future Flight" airport simulation facility. I had no idea NASA had this..it's a very impressive application of high tech.

If you have doubts about the benefits of the perimeter taxiways, this video shows how NASA simulated DFW operations with & without; it's pretty convincing.



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