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Al Baker: QR Is Ordering Not 20, But 40 777-300ERs  
User currently offlineN328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6491 posts, RR: 3
Posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 18261 times:

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Under-fire aircraft manufacturer Airbus has been dealt another blow, after Qatar Airways confirmed plans to take delivery of a further 20 Boeing 777s. The airline will run 40 Boeings in total.

“We placed a firm order for the first 20, but we are planning to buy 40 all together,” Qatar Airways CEO Akbar Al Baker revealed, scotching concerns that the US$4.9 billion deal had been aborted, after Boeing removed a press release for the order from its website earlier this month.

[...]

“We were a solely Boeing fleet until 1997, after that we converted to Airbus and now we are keen to operate Boeings again. We have also ordered a large number of Airbus A350s, and we certainly need both models to serve our large expansion plans.”

[...]

http://www.itp.net/business/news/details.php?id=22266&category=


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User currently offlineKaitak744 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 2413 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 18282 times:

Very cool. However, they won't be able to get slots until 2008-2009.

(PS: I know Randy Baseler reads this forum, so this is a massage to him: Time to built new assembly lines!)


User currently offlineBeech19 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 936 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 18279 times:

This is the 2-point conversion after a touchdown.  Wink

Score another for the good guys.  duck 



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User currently offlineAtmx2000 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4576 posts, RR: 37
Reply 3, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 18246 times:

I saw this as well. This is the same statement that has been posted here before, but the timestamp on the article is more recent. While it is true that the wording of QR's original commitment announcement last year suggested a minimum order of 20 777s, I am skeptical of their ability to grow that much when their regional competitors also have similar ideas. Personally, I think al-Baker is off his rocker.


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User currently offlineZvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 64
Reply 4, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 18252 times:

QR always said they would take "at least" 20 B777s, so it's not a huge surprise.

This significantly increases the chances that the B777 will reach 1000.


User currently offline727200er From Canada, joined Mar 2004, 318 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 18010 times:

Well it looks like a bit more good news for the big B  Smile


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User currently offlinePanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 8
Reply 6, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 17853 times:

Question: On what routes will QR use these planes? I'm not doubting that the airline can make money, but after the thread recently on possible overcapacity in the Middle East, is there really a need for 40 long range high-capacity planes?


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User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 1001 posts, RR: 51
Reply 7, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 17798 times:

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 4):
This significantly increases the chances that the B777 will reach 1000.

If this QR order is signed, it brings Boeing to 871 units for the 777 program.

Both the 777 and 767 are going to get really close. Sure hope they make it!  Smile


User currently offlineKaitak744 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 2413 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 17733 times:

Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 6):
Question: On what routes will QR use these planes? I'm not doubting that the airline can make money, but after the thread recently on possible overcapacity in the Middle East, is there really a need for 40 long range high-capacity planes?

1. they are not "high capacity." Knowing Qatar Air, they will probably put Emirates style suites and have other cabin luxuries. Their 777s will probably end up carrying ~270 seats.

2. If you think about it, tourism in Qatar, and the basic business travel demand in the middle east is growing. Having a fleet of 60 A350 for short/medium haul and 40 777-300ERs is adequate. Not to mention, alot of Qatar Airways aircraft are used for special government charters.

They only thing in the middle east that is out of place is Emirate's 45 A380s (and rumors are that they might even cancel them).


User currently offlinePolymerPlane From United States of America, joined May 2006, 991 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 17564 times:

The article does not say 773ER specifically. I do not remember what was the break down of QR's 20 signed order. But is there a chance that 772LR will also be ordered?.

What does this say about the competition of A350XBW and 777LR, since they both are in the same market, and QR has order/commitment to both models.

Cheers,
PP



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User currently offlineN844AA From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1352 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 17400 times:

This article seems to be outdated. First, wasn't back in June or July when Boeing removed the QR press release? This article says that occurred "earlier this month." Second, the article refers only to the June delays in the A380 program and the delivery schedule accurate as of June.

I think the date at the top of the article is only an indication of today's date -- I clicked on some other articles around the site, and they all displayed the same way.



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User currently offlineN328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6491 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 17272 times:

Quoting N844AA (Reply 10):
This article seems to be outdated. First, wasn't back in June or July when Boeing removed the QR press release? This article says that occurred "earlier this month." Second, the article refers only to the June delays in the A380 program and the delivery schedule accurate as of June.

It doesn't matter its date, as long as it's from within the last few months. The key piece of information is that it made specific reference to 20 additional 777s.



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User currently offlineJohnny From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 17048 times:

Wow! That is great news for the big 7!!!

 Smile


User currently offlineHamlet69 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2754 posts, RR: 58
Reply 13, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 16985 times:

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 8):
2. If you think about it, tourism in Qatar, and the basic business travel demand in the middle east is growing. Having a fleet of 60 A350 for short/medium haul and 40 777-300ERs is adequate.

Everyone should note that, should this add-on come to fruition, there will not be 40 777-300ERs. Already, the split is 14 -300ER's and 6 -200LR's. I'd imagine that if this order is indeed placed, there will be a similar break-down, possibly with the 777-200F also in the mix, which the airline has earlier expressed an interest in.

Regards,

Hamlet69



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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12342 posts, RR: 18
Reply 14, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 16947 times:
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Wow, this is excellent news for Boeing and QR. Bet Airbus isn't 100% happy about this

User currently offlineKaitak744 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 2413 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 16796 times:

Quoting Hamlet69 (Reply 13):
Everyone should note that, should this add-on come to fruition, there will not be 40 777-300ERs. Already, the split is 14 -300ER's and 6 -200LR's.

Good point. I would imagine a few 777Fs in their fleet as well.


User currently offlineHZ747300 From Hong Kong, joined Mar 2004, 1711 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 16747 times:
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Quoting Beech19 (Reply 2):
good guys.

??? I guess all those satan worshippers in France in Germany will be damned!

40 777-300ERs - maybe then they will launch the Kangaroo route!



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User currently offlineGFA330 From Turkey, joined Oct 2006, 105 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 16386 times:

QR is planning to launch 15 new routes next year.
All I know is ;

GRU
IAD ( Pending FAA approval )
OTP
DAR
LAG ( Lagos Nigeria )

Do not know the other but Senior Mgr Commercial planning confirmed 1 new routes.

anybody want to take a guess ???


User currently offlineFlyDreamliner From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2759 posts, RR: 15
Reply 18, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 16280 times:

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 1):
Time to built new assembly lines!)

No kidding Randy. You've got that entire big facility at long beach that used to turn out DC-10s and MD-11s. I bet it could roll out 777s and 787s just as easily. Get that stuff fired up. Someone has to build all the jets Airbus isn't.

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 4):
This significantly increases the chances that the B777 will reach 1000.

Sure does. Boeing will have sold more 777s than any two Airbus widebodies combined.... The 777 is a phenomenon, and I'm not convinced we've seen the last 777 variants. If the A350 goes forward, expect Boeing to counter it with 777 upgrages.

Quoting 777ER (Reply 14):
Wow, this is excellent news for Boeing and QR. Bet Airbus isn't 100% happy about this

I don't think Airbus is 100% happy about most of what's been happening with themselves lately.



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User currently offlineN328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6491 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 16194 times:

Quoting FlyDreamliner (Reply 18):
No kidding Randy. You've got that entire big facility at long beach that used to turn out DC-10s and MD-11s. I bet it could roll out 777s and 787s just as easily. Get that stuff fired up. Someone has to build all the jets Airbus isn't.

I think that one's been sold. My guess is that they're probably in the process of dismantling the DC-9/717 plant. The real estate is worth a fortune, and Boeing has plenty of room or can make room elsewhere.



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User currently offlineLeelaw From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 16080 times:

Quoting FlyDreamliner (Reply 18):
You've got that entire big facility at long beach that used to turn out DC-10s and MD-11s. I bet it could roll out 777s and 787s just as easily.

The likelihood of commercial aircraft production ever returning to Southern California is slim to none. The cost of doing business there is just too high. Unfortunately, the reality is that the only vestige of the "Building 80" production complex at LGB will soon be the iconic "Fly DC Jets" sign. Sad

[Edited 2006-10-10 09:57:38]

User currently offlineScbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12901 posts, RR: 46
Reply 21, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 15672 times:
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Hmm scratchchin 

What happened to all the a.netters telling Boeing to never deal with QR again? sarcastic 



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User currently offlineJohnny From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 15461 times:

@FlyDreamliner
"Boeing will have sold more 777s than any two Airbus widebodies combined...."

Yes, that could happen.But so far its the A330/340 which leads.  

"The 777 is a phenomenon, and I'm not convinced we've seen the last 777 variants. If the A350 goes forward, expect Boeing to counter it with 777 upgrages. "

Yes, i expect more versions to follow as well.And i hope it! I could imagine a B777-300ERF for integrators like FedEx and UPS for example.

[Edited 2006-10-10 11:05:47]

User currently offlinePanAm_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 4217 posts, RR: 89
Reply 23, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 15338 times:
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Quoting N328KF (Reply 11):
It doesn't matter its date, as long as it's from within the last few months. The key piece of information is that it made specific reference to 20 additional 777s.

True and thank you for sharing it with us, however;

Quoting Atmx2000 (Reply 3):
This is the same statement that has been posted here before,

Qatar To Buy 20 *More* 777s? posted by Tak last month.

Quoting Hamlet69 (Reply 13):
there will not be 40 777-300ERs. Already, the split is 14 -300ER's and 6 -200LR's.

 thumbsup  thank you sir and your following point is most valid too;

Quoting Hamlet69 (Reply 13):
I'd imagine that if this order is indeed placed, there will be a similar break-down, possibly with the 777-200F also in the mix, which the airline has earlier expressed an interest in.

The interest in the 772F was first expressed at Le Bourget 2005. The initial 20 777s ordered are from delivery in November 2007 through to Q3 2010. If this second tranche is ordered, it'll be interesting to see the mix and delivery schedule that QR will proceed with.

Regards, PanAm_DC10



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User currently offlineKappel From Suriname, joined Jul 2005, 3533 posts, RR: 17
Reply 24, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 15268 times:

Quoting Beech19 (Reply 2):
Score another for the good guys.

What an odd statement. I never knew Airbus was evil...

Quoting 777ER (Reply 14):
Wow, this is excellent news for Boeing and QR. Bet Airbus isn't 100% happy about this

Wy not? They clearly stated they need both the Boeing AND Airbus models. If they take all 60 a350's (if and when the damn thing finally launches) it will still be 60-40 in A's favour.

All I can say is that with all these aircraft (100 new aircraft if they take all 777's and a350's), they better start serving AMS!!!  Wink



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25 CHRISBA777ER : Funny how when airlines order 40 Airbuses its doom and gloom overcapacity unsustainble growth etc, but when they order 40 Boeings its:
26 JAAlbert : I also question where these mideast airlines are gonna find all those fannies to sit in all these seats they're ordering. A fleet of 40 777s is enorm
27 Post contains images Lumberton : Well..."up to 60" at any rate.
28 DAYflyer : Excellent news, but who are they going to get to fill all those seats?
29 Lumberton : One of the continuing mysteries on a.net! I'll make a prediction though; it won't be with O&D traffic--not in the near term at any rate....
30 DAYflyer : They must be banking on the service levels drawing customers away from the competition.
31 Post contains images Clickhappy : man I cant believe all the negative comments from the Airbus fanboys in this thread. How many of these frames will be to replace older Airbus models?
32 AF022 : I'm surprised by this - IAD seems to be a much smaller market than CHI or LAX or SFO.
33 Lumberton : Smaller, maybe; "much smaller", I doubt it![Edited 2006-10-10 15:54:37]
34 MBJ2000 : Huh?!? What negative comments?? You're the first to start a war... There was one valid question, why is 45 A380s overkill but 100 777 and 350 not?
35 Post contains images Leelaw : What about the overflow from DXB of the nascent hordes coming to visit "Dubai World?"
36 DfwRevolution : Because smaller aircraft like the 777 and A350 are inherently more versatile, unlike the A380 which epitomizes a niche aircraft. In other words, if t
37 NYC777 : I wonder if ther eis a chance that QR will not go through with the A350 order and instead order the 787?
38 United787 : Was that ever a doubt? The plane has only been flying for 11 years, has 851 orders and although the -200 and -200ER may be slowing down, there is a l
39 Post contains images Johnny : @DfwRevolution "Remove the A330-200 or include the 763ER and its the 777 by a wide margin." No, include the B767-400 which matches the A332 in terms o
40 Stitch : Could be for government employee trips between Qatar and the United States. UA is evidently seeing strong yields in pax and cargo on their IAD-KWI fl
41 PlaneGuy27 : Not to mention if Qatar becomes a full member of Star Alliance - then IAD is a no brainer...
42 Kappel : Al Baker said himself they need both. So I guess it's up to Airbus on whether or not they will take the a350.
43 Post contains images Windshear : Wow this is great! Just hope Qatar would start service to CPH, now that it seems UAE has scrapped the plan all together. A B777-300ER here in CPH Boaz
44 Behramjee : Thats very true as QRs A 346s only seat 268 pax in a luxurious 3 class layout which is a waste for such a big aircraft. They have comprised extra sea
45 DfwRevolution : The 764ER was never the principle member of the 767 family that was bid against the A332. Despite the difference in capacity, the true comparison lie
46 Post contains links PlaneHunter : http://www.flightglobal.com/Articles...20/Gulf+special+Fighting+talk.html Dubai's growing popularity as a destination has seen Emirates' transfer bus
47 777ER : Because Boeing have stollen an all Airbus operator (well you can take it, that Boeing have gotten their revenge and in many other ways over the last
48 Post contains images PolymerPlane : I think even SQ's 773ER has lower seat count than their 772ER. It's probably for yield management more than capacity, as the former is much more impo
49 Post contains images Thebry : Not really a fair comparison. Funny how people have said the 767 was "killed" by the A330, but in your argument above, the A330 is being combined wit
50 PlaneHunter : The A332 competes with B763/B764, while A333 and A340 combined compete with the B777. PH
51 Lumberton : How is Qatar going to benefit from Dubai's O&D traffic? BTW, I was referring to Doha.
52 Post contains links EbbUK : What a great way to verify the facts. I say N328KF has a point. Al Baker's statement is quoted in one publication. Nothing on 1. The Boeing site that
53 PlaneHunter : Good to know. PH
54 Ha763 : The extra 20 777s is not a firm order so Boeing is not going to log it on their order page. Plus, when Qatar announced the order at Paris in 2005, th
55 PolymerPlane : Look how easy an article about QR interested in more B777 can be turned to a Boeing bashing thread by some. Cheers, PP
56 EbbUK : Don't do mischief. It doesn't suit you. Read it again and pay heed to the last paragraph.
57 PolymerPlane : I think after Airbus's widebody sales performance, it is appropriate to talk about airbus's worry. Even its ex-CEO and EADS's CEO shouted worry about
58 EbbUK : god sake man, I took great care to construct the post, it followed a question by one member about the validity of the order as the article seemed dat
59 FlyLKU : Good point. California is just not a competitive state. They just don't get it.
60 Post contains images N844AA : Yup, they're really bungling things right and left there in the world's fifth-largest economy.
61 Post contains images 7cubed : B appears to be back in the driving seat, one doesn't have to look any further than sales for this year. Whether QR takes the planes or not 2006 has
62 Post contains images Stitch : Color me confused, but I am not sure what all the "hubbub" is about... QR says they're taking 20 777s now, but intend to take a total of 40. Think of
63 Kaitak744 : Boeing's Long Beach plant is as good as a museum. Why? Because the celieings are high enough to suport the height of a 757 at most. Not to mention, B
64 Post contains links and images Gabypn1992 : An idea of the new Boeing 773ER in the QR colors. Modified Airliner Photos: Design © Abdullah M. Template © Matt Cawby[Edited 2006-10-11 02:12:31]
65 Post contains images Lightsaber : Nice tidbit. Good point, but both Boeing and GE will smile regardless of which box is checked on the order for. I wonder, is this order being placed
66 Kaitak744 : Boeing Lines: Renton: 4 lines- all 4 currently used for 737 "moving" assembly line. (reason for sudden burst of alot of 737 orders) Everett: 6 lines-
67 PolymerPlane : You can do whatever you want my friend, even celebrating for each and every plane Airbus rumoured is going to sell. I do not care. It's your right. B
68 Stitch : The 777 used to have two lines in her heyday, but is now down to one. The 787 will be built in the far right (east) section of factory, with an empty
69 Zvezda : EK will almost certainly cancel some of their WhaleJets. The question is whether or not they will cancel all. My guess is probably only about half wi
70 Kaitak744 : Wait, then I am wrong. If the 777 used to have 2 lines, then it still has 2 lines. Boeing didn't slow 777 production down. The only recent change is
71 Jaysit : Well, your guess is as good as the next guys guess. If someone asked you last year how many 777s, Qatar would order what would you have said? Over th
72 Stitch : The 787 will be built on the opposite side of the plant from the 747, based on the Boeing tour information (you will see the 777 line on the left and
73 Kaitak744 : I see I see. So, its something like this? -747-747-empty-767-777(moving line under construction)-777(current) Future: -747-747-?-?-777-787 Note: the
74 Post contains images Hamlet69 : No. No. No. At Everett, there are currently 6 bays. From west to east (or looking north at the doors, from left to right), they are: Bay 1: 747 wings
75 Kaitak744 : Sorry about the wrong information I gave. I take it Bay 2 (or 3) (which ever is the closed 747 line) will be the new moving 777 line? So, future: Bay
76 Wingman : QR must be the first airline in the world that talks about ordering planes but never actually does. I think we must be closing in on 2 years for the 3
77 Jacobin777 : It's only been since July 2005 for the announcements..and 20 777's have been signed.....
78 Post contains images Leelaw : The last time I visited Everett in January 2004, Bay 1 was 747 wing assembly and fuselage section preparation, and Bay 2 was the 747 moving assembly l
79 EbbUK : Thank you PolymerPlane, I will do what I please as others do the same, if they so wish. Just don't accuse me of bashing Boeing when I haven't.
80 Johnny : We talked about airplane-families.And that means we have to include the A332 as it is part of the A330/340-family. Boeing studied a shortened B777, th
81 Wingman : Nothing's been signed yet, QR just talks about it. 350's have been on planned order for quite some time and I don't recall any order announcement for
82 Post contains links OldAeroGuy : If you go here: http://active.boeing.com/commercial/orders/index.cfm you'll see that Qatar's 20 777's are now attributed to them rather than being UF
83 PlaneHunter : Based on what? If it's "almost a certainty", why haven't they done so yet - right after the latest delay fiasco? PH
84 PolymerPlane : Even though A330 and A340 are developed together, They are fundamentally different aircrafts. Especially with A345/6 which does not even share the sa
85 Post contains images Hamlet69 : No worries. No. Boeing is not moving the 777 line, they are just making it a moving line. (sorry, couldn't resist!) In other words, the current line
86 Stitch : If I had to classify the planes as "competitors", I would create five groups as follows: Group 1 - 763ER/764ER/A332 Group 2 - 772A/A333 Group 3 - 772E
87 Post contains images Thebry : Right -- what a disaster! Apple, Google, Hewlett-Packard, Oracle and others in the Northern part of the State -- the whole Movie and Music industry t
88 Post contains images Hamlet69 : I know I should not get involved in this, but oh well, I'm bored. . . While they briefly studied a mid-range, short-body, lower capacity "-100X" at SQ
89 Kaitak744 : Though it doesn't really matter, but the the A340-200 is not competing with the 777-200ER. And yes, for an aircraft which was designed to kill the 76
90 Stitch : It certainly did on range, but admittedly not on capacity, (much like the 763ER and A332) which is why it fared poorly and was discontinued by Airbus
91 Post contains images Johnny : I see some guys here do not acknowledge the success of the A330/340-program as one family.It is ridiculous! It is a stupid discussion with lots of tri
92 DfwRevolution : No Jonny. Claiming that the A330/A340 has outsold the 777 is an invalid comparison, because about 40% of the program orders are for a model that in n
93 N328KF : The problem is that your comparisons are apfel to orangen. As previously mentioned by many on many occasions, various members of the A330/A340 family
94 Post contains images Johnny : @DfwRevolution @N328KF I think some will see your points as correct, some will do the same with my points. Let us stop that discussion here. We are ta
95 N328KF : If that's your perspective, then why do you even participate in discussions involving numbers? Sheesh.
96 Manni : A lot of add on orders there from customers that already operated the 767. AA, CO and DL took about 94 aircraft between them, JL and NH another 32 wh
97 Johnny : @328KF I participate, because discussions are interesting due to to different point of views. But everybody has to accept that people have their own m
98 Post contains images Hamlet69 : 7 new 767 customers. During the same time, the A330-200 netted Airbus 16 new widebody customers (airlines that did not already have orders for the A3
99 Post contains images Johnny : @Hamlet69 "During this discussion, you have demonstrated a good knowledge of Airbus, but (and please don't take this as a personal attack) an ignoranc
100 Manni : Why do you exclude A340 operators? Did you exclude 757 operators in your list of new 767 customers? It depends. Customers that buy in bulk get greate
101 Zvezda : EK would be nuts to cancel any WhaleJet orders before completing negotiations with Boeing for the alternative. The idea that the A330-200 has not com
102 Phollingsworth : The 757 and 767 are not one family. Outside of the cockpit and a few systems they are very different aicraft. Also the A330 and A340 have different t
103 PlaneHunter : Probably. The other question remains - why is a cancellation "almost certain"? Probably, as part of order combos. Though, I'd still like to see a car
104 Kappel : There are a couple of carriers who fly both. I think they complement each other well. They are after all the best in their category. The a332 in the
105 Post contains images Hamlet69 : The 757 and 767 were designed together, just as the A330 & A340 were. Though they don't share the outward commonality that the Airbus's do (wings and
106 Post contains images Johnny : @ Hamlet69 AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN... The A332 IS part of the A330/340-Family, so it has to be included in total sales figures for that family.Perio
107 N328KF : No, the loser here is everyone that spent time trying to convince you of a point that you claimed to not care about.
108 Post contains images 787engineer : First it's message not massage . Didn't know you were that with Randy to be sending him massages . Lucky for us Randy doesn't make such decisions. I'
109 Johnny : @787engineer "I think a lot of this comes down to marketing" Not only a lot - nearly everything. @ some guys And also a lot of pure patriotism on this
110 FlyingHippo : @Johnny, I don't think patriotism is involved when discussing if A332 should be compared with the 777 sales numbers. I think everyone here agrees that
111 N328KF : Been smoking some Hartz mountain weed again? "More Asian than US?" Get real. Boeing did all of the overall design and much of the individual componen
112 N844AA : Don't forget, they're making the rudder in China. Definitely an Asian aircraft. I, for one, welcome our new Asian overlords.
113 Bringiton : China is getting something like 600 million dollar of work IIRC
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