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DL Orders True BE Lie Flat Seats On 777LR  
User currently offlineWorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 14959 times:

Press Release Source: Delta Air Lines, Inc.

Delta First U.S. Carrier to Announce True Lie-Flat Seats in International Business Class
Tuesday October 10, 8:00 am ET
Delta to introduce fully-horizontal personal sleeper suite in early 2008, giving international customers more privacy, space, and ultimate comfort


ATLANTA, Oct. 10, 2006 (PRIMEZONE) -- Delta Air Lines invites international customers to stretch out and lie flat, as the first U.S. airline to announce fully-horizontal personal sleeper suites in BusinessElite. Delta will introduce seats by Contour Premium Aircraft Seating in early 2008, when the airline takes delivery of two new Boeing 777 Long Range (LR) aircraft. The sleeper suites will also feature Delta's industry-leading entertainment system offering on-demand, digital video and music at every suite.
``As we continue to grow to ultra long-haul destinations across Asia, Africa, and the Middle East, we want to give our valued business class customers the utmost in comfort and entertainment,'' said Jim Whitehurst, Delta's chief operating officer. ``The experience we're creating for premium international travelers will offer an unmatched combination of privacy and comfort with the option to lie completely flat, unlike some competitors who offer an angled lie flat product.''

Delta's fully-horizontal personal suite will feature:



-- A reclining seat that adjusts to multiple comfortable
positions, including a completely flat surface offering
travelers a 6-foot 3-inch bed;
-- A privacy screen incorporating pull out meal table,
fold-out video monitor, integrated footrest and personal
stowage compartment for bags, shoes or blankets; and
-- Immediate access to the aisle so customers don't have to
disturb another passenger when exiting their seat

Beginning in fall 2008, Delta will add a sleeper seat to the rest of its 777 fleet. The airline also expects to offer a lie-flat option on its 767 aircraft. These modifications are expected to be complete by 2010.

more here:
http://biz.yahoo.com/pz/061010/106495.html

including plans to add the seat to the 767 fleet by 2010

[Edited 2006-10-10 14:38:41]

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User currently offlineAlitalia744 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4764 posts, RR: 44
Reply 1, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 14983 times:

WT, beat me to it!

I guess we can finally put the endless "Will DL order 777LR" and "Will DL get new BizE" posts to bed.

The seats in all leather are similar to those found on VS, AC and NZ.

Some images taken from Delta.com are below:

http://media.delta.com/images/dallfseat%5Flr%2Ejpg

http://media.delta.com/images/dallfseat2%5Flr%2Ejpg

http://media.delta.com/images/dallfseat3%5Flr%2Ejpg


[Edited 2006-10-10 14:45:02]

[Edited 2006-10-10 14:47:01]


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User currently offlineANstar From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 5319 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 14959 times:

and photo's here

http://news.delta.com/article_display.cfm?article_id=10405


User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8517 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 14943 times:
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2 whole 777-200LR, where will Delta fly them too ? I can only hope more will follow as two don't make a very big statement. Business Elite Lie flat seats in suites sound great, are they Virgin Atlantic type ? Virgin seats seem to be the trend with Air New Zealand & Cathay now for there new seats in Club Class.

User currently offlineWorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 14925 times:

you can see why every seat has access to the aisle.

User currently offlinePanamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4977 posts, RR: 25
Reply 5, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 14836 times:
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Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 3):
2 whole 777-200LR, where will Delta fly them too ? I can only hope more will follow as two don't make a very big statement

DL is not acquiring the 772LR to make a statement - they will acquire them as necessary in order to run a profitable operation. The new lie-flat BE seats will be installed on all 777s and eventually all 767s as well. And yes, they are like the VS and AC ones.

Quoting Alitalia744 (Reply 1):
Some images taken from Delta.com are below:

 bigthumbsup  Can't wait...

Do you know what the configuration will be on the 767s?


User currently offlineWorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 14790 times:

The lie flat seat will require reducing the total BE seat count. One media report said it was about 7 fewer seats on the 777. I would guess it would be 5-7 seats on the 767.

Some people thought I was nuts when I said that DL would be ordering long-haul aircraft with enhanced products and facilities throughout is system but that is exactly what DL is doing.

In fact, DL has completed or is in progress on about half of the items on my 18-24 to do list. You can read the original post here:

http://www.airliners.net/discussions...general_aviation/read.main/2749806


User currently offlineAlitalia744 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4764 posts, RR: 44
Reply 7, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 14797 times:

Quoting Panamair (Reply 5):
Do you know what the configuration will be on the 767s?

1-1-1, similar to AC's configuration, although the middle row will face the opposite way from what I understand.

See AC's config: AC 767 Config



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User currently offlineFutureFO From Ireland, joined Oct 2001, 3132 posts, RR: 21
Reply 8, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 14784 times:

And if you read the statements, the reconfigured Economy on the 764's and the 777's are going to get on-demand IFE. Which is a good move for DL. They are now needing to get the 763's there.


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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31440 posts, RR: 85
Reply 9, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 14762 times:
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Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 3):
2 whole 777-200LR, where will Delta fly them too?

Most likely the route that their 772ER's are most consistently payload-limited, as the 772LR solves that problem and is more efficient, as well.


User currently offlinePanAm_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 4217 posts, RR: 89
Reply 10, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 14758 times:
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Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 3):
2 whole 777-200LR,

At this point, yes, however;

Quoting Panamair (Reply 5):
they will acquire them as necessary in order to run a profitable operation.

 checkmark  It is my opinion, as I cannot provide a link, that DL will take 5 frames from 2008 onwards.

Regards, PanAm_DC10



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User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8517 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 14712 times:
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Very impressive seats, how many per airplane are there going to be ? I hope DElta gives the seat configuration on their website soon for the 777 and the 764.

User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5803 posts, RR: 47
Reply 12, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 14711 times:

Is this DLs first official acknowledgement of taking the 772LRs?

[Edited 2006-10-10 15:18:29]


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User currently offlinePope From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 14708 times:

Outstanding!

Thank god DL is getting back into the game.


User currently offlineFutureFO From Ireland, joined Oct 2001, 3132 posts, RR: 21
Reply 14, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 14623 times:

Yes the first acknowledgement of the 777LR


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User currently offlineJrlander From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 1106 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 14476 times:

The press release actually states that Delta expects to give customers flying the 767 overseas a lie-flat option- It does not say they will put these seats in the 767. I'm not saying they won't, but just pointing out the press release doesn't make that clear.

User currently offlineTinPusher007 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 983 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 14460 times:

A new BizElite cabin is long overdue for DL. This will certainly make them much more competitve in the market place.


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User currently offlineJonno From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 133 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 14432 times:

Wow! Dragged kicking and screaming into the 1990s!!!!! Whoo hoo!!!!! What about reconfiguring the entire long-hault fleet? I imagine that will happen eventually, like maybe 2010? Just in time for a new lie-flat biz seat to be introduced on BA and VS!  banghead 

User currently offlineDL787932ER From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 597 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 14429 times:

 bigthumbsup  Fantastic. Good to see the official announcement.

Any chance DL might put these seats into the 764ERs being converted to BizElite over this winter? They're going to be on the "premium" European routes replacing the 772s next summer, and it doesn't make sense to me to spend a significant amount of money installing the existing BizE seats when there's already a plan and a seat selected to replace them in under two years.



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User currently offlineHalls120 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 14300 times:

Quoting WorldTraveler (Thread starter):
Delta Air Lines invites international customers to stretch out and lie flat, as the first U.S. airline to announce fully-horizontal personal sleeper suites in BusinessElite.

You've got to love PR spin. While DL will be the first US airline to annouce fully horizontal sleeper seats in Business Elite, they conveniently ignore the fact that AA and UA have had lie flat seating in International First service for years. A service DL doesn't even offer. But that's OK.


User currently offlineHalls120 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 14298 times:

Quoting WorldTraveler (Thread starter):
Delta Air Lines invites international customers to stretch out and lie flat, as the first U.S. airline to announce fully-horizontal personal sleeper suites in BusinessElite.

You've got to love PR spin. While DL will be the first US airline to announce fully horizontal sleeper seats in Business Elite, they conveniently ignore the fact that AA and UA have had lie flat seating in International First service for years. A service DL doesn't even offer. But that's OK, spin to your heart's content, DL!


User currently offlineRJ777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 1886 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 14295 times:

Forgive me for being skeptical, but I'd still like to see a Press Release Regarding the 777LR's.

User currently offlinePanamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4977 posts, RR: 25
Reply 22, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 14252 times:
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Quoting Halls120 (Reply 19):
You've got to love PR spin. While DL will be the first US airline to annouce fully horizontal sleeper seats in Business Elite, they conveniently ignore the fact that AA and UA have had lie flat seating in International First service for years. A service DL doesn't even offer

That's why they said "BUSINESS CLASS". The point is an apples-to-apples comparison - to compare BUSINESS to BUSINESS. You don't get a First Class suite if you buy a Business ticket on UA or AA, you get a Business Class seat (unless you have miles or certificates to upgrade!)


User currently offlineFoxBravo From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 3008 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 14248 times:

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 20):
But that's OK, spin to your heart's content, DL!

I'm not the biggest defender of DL by any means, but let's be fair. First of all, it's not like AA and UA don't spin anything in their press releases--that's what press releases are for! And more important, there is a big difference between first and business class, not only in terms of fare (usually by thousands of dollars), but also because many employers--including mine--have policies that allow international travel in business class but not first. And as far as I know neither AA nor UA offers a fully horizontal flat seat in business class.



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User currently offlineB777-700 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 14248 times:

Quoting Alitalia744 (Reply 1):
I guess we can finally put the endless "Will DL order 777LR" and "Will DL get new BizE" posts to bed.

How much do you want to make a bet they'll still find something to complain about?

Quoting Jonno (Reply 17):
Wow! Dragged kicking and screaming into the 1990s!!!!! Whoo hoo!!!!! What about reconfiguring the entire long-hault fleet? I imagine that will happen eventually, like maybe 2010? Just in time for a new lie-flat biz seat to be introduced on BA and VS!

See? Only took 17 replies  Wink


25 UAL777UK : And of course announcing and installation is another thing. By the time they role out the seat UA will have their new lie flat seat in J on the inter
26 OOer : It says... "The airline also expects to offer a lie-flat option on its 767 aircraft. These modifications are expected to be complete by 2010." How old
27 Panamair : For your information, not even SQ currently offers a truly lie-flat seat in Business Class.. And when exactly has UA indicated that they will actuall
28 UAL777UK : I also meant to say that the seat looks great and a vast improvement!
29 PSU.DTW.SCE : Overall, we need an apples-to-apples comparison here, and with the US-airlines and their product offering, its is becoming very difficult between what
30 Halls120 : Of course DL doesn't offer first class, so their business elite is the closest service that can compare. And yes, a DL Biz elite seat is probably che
31 Astrojet707 : Way to go Delta! Eventhough I do not fly them much anymore, this is good news. I have flown MD11 and B767 BE and did not like the seating or meal serv
32 Alitalia744 : See, this is where we disagree (and I know all about SPIN, I work in Advertising!). DL Press Release Headline: "Delta First U.S. Carrier to Announce
33 Panamair : Sorry, but the headline even screams ".....in International Business Class"! I guess I don't understand why the waters are muddied just because some
34 Post contains links and images Alaskaqantas : good to see this. I would say that it looks more like AC... except the fact that it will be leather. ohh wait, they used the Air canada design complet
35 Ikramerica : This is what DL needs to compete with CO and VS, a seating product that has the potential to surpass the CO seats and match the VS seats. Good for the
36 Post contains images DAL767400ER : $10 says people on here will complain about the seat being too narrow . Excellent news for Delta. Now all they have to do is get back to HAM, and I'l
37 WorldTraveler : Doubtful until probably a year from now. There is no reason to divulge all of your competitive information now when the planes and the seat don’t e
38 Post contains images QFSYD744 : Question now is what is United Airlines, Continental Airlines, and Northwest Airlines foing to do to surpass or equal this new type of seat being off
39 WorldTraveler : Based on DL’s current 777 delivery slots, the LRs will enter the fleet in 16 months. Signing contracts for seats at this point is not at all early.
40 UAL777UK : They will be, don't worry about that! But not for long UA announced earlier this year they were going to install a new J seat on the International fl
41 QFSYD744 : Entire What year will we see the 767-300/767-400 recieve the new Business Elite seats installed? Chances are it will be long after Delta is out of ba
42 Post contains links TinPusher007 : Copied straight from this link: http://news.delta.com/article_display.cfm?article_id=10405 ATLANTA, Oct. 10, 2006 – Delta Air Lines invites interna
43 QFSYD744 : So in other words... Wait 2 years, and it may show up....
44 Post contains images Halls120 : DL doesn't offer International First. Their new seats are the equivalent to the seats already offered by AA and UA in International First. I've flown
45 Post contains images Jacobin777 : Congrats to DL for this move...will be interesting to see where (exact cities) DL sends these -200LR birds too... What assests? ....DL doesn't own any
46 Panamair : Yes, and DL IS offering a product that no other US airline offers - a truly lie-flat seat in Business Class!!! First is supposed to be BETTER, for al
47 ORD : I don't believe the consumer looks at DL vs. UA/AA that way. If a traveler in Ft. Lauderdale needs to fly to Tokyo, and their company will only pay f
48 Incitatus : The un-spinned reality is a little different. Delta announced a route (JFK to Bombay) for which it did not have adequate aircraft. Duh!! The count is
49 UAL777UK : No images as of yet, but the seat is out there........watch for a news release soon.
50 Post contains links AirMailer : What are you talking about? The pictures are all up on media.delta.com http://news.delta.com/article_display.cfm?article_id=10405
51 Dalb777 : QFSYD744 is talking about images of UA's new business seats.
52 AirMailer : ahhh. Thanks for clarifying. They way that the new thread software closes down some comments got me out of sync there. Sorry about that!
53 AirMailer : How long is the time horizon for DL to get their last 5 777s that they have on order?
54 Elcapi1980 : well, very good news, but those flat beds do not look very confortable to me, just my opinion.....& as much they want it to make people feel more priv
55 Post contains images PeachAir : You'll have to wait until Thursday
56 Post contains images UAL777UK : " target=_blank>http://news.delta.com/article_displa...10405 If you would care to read my response to the earlier thread correctly in future, I was re
57 FlyDreamliner : Nearly all of the other carriers with true flat J seats are 6' 6". I wonder why they copped out the 3". Don't think the 3" matter? You probably then
58 Post contains links Boeing Nut : More on the company. Evidently, they are the ones that did EK's first class seats. Contour Seating
59 Stitch : B/E Aerospace, the chosen vendor, supplies the Business Class seats on Aeromexico's new 772ERs, which are the same type as shown on the 772LR demonst
60 Halls120 : No, the ad clearly wants you to believe that DL is first to offer a lie flat seat. I agree. Once installed, DL will be offering its customers somethi
61 Post contains images N751PR : Great to hear DL roll out with this product! I definitely look forward to seeing this in 2008! $20 says that they'll complain of neck cramps when tryi
62 Panamair : For God's sake, the bloody headline of the press release says: "Delta First U.S. carrier to Announce True Lie-Flat Seats in International Business Cl
63 Alitalia744 : Dude, we get it, you hate Delta. Rather than point out an issue that no one but you sees, admit the truth, c'mon say it to everyone "I HATE DELTA AIR
64 WorldTraveler : DL certainly does have assets… they just happen to be encumbered. I hate to break it to you but no US airline has a significant amount of unencumbe
65 RwSEA : I've been reading through this thread and all I can say is that it really highlights some of the unhappy and negative people that exist here at a.net.
66 MBMBOS : I like the pod design of the seats, but the seat itself looks as hard and flat as an exercise mat. Perhaps it's more comfortable than it looks but it
67 QFSYD744 : How long have we been playing this wait and see game with United Airlines? As usual you have drunk a bit to much Scotch. Mate, your pro cheerleading
68 Post contains images B777ER : Yes, I guess DL will need premium class seats when competing with EK to/from DXB among other places
69 DeltaDC9 : Isnt this just the 2 of the 5 defferred 777s? They just decided to make them LRs, whats the big deal? All airlines get planes one at a time. See abov
70 Post contains images QFSYD744 : You mean other places that Delta has beat American and United to? Dont be jealous...
71 DL4EVR : Actually the Delta AIR LINES product is BusinessElite...not Delta AIRLINES.
72 Post contains images QFSYD744 : Sorry Mate... DELTA AIR LINES Cheers!
73 Freedom747 : See, Delta knows that they're doing. P A T I E N C E P A T I E N C E P A T I E N C E You can't please everybody. So if anybody on here likes to pick-a
74 Jfk777 : Maybe the 2 772LR's will be used for a really long flight nonstop to South Africa. Atlants to HKG seems a little too far, but LAX to HKG would work; o
75 QFSYD744 : This is already the speculation and LAX-SYD, LAX-HKG are on top of that list.
76 Post contains images UAL777UK : Wait and see for what? They announced this year that they will put new seats in next year...how much clearer do you want that to be. I am sure if you
77 QFSYD744 : Talk is cheap mate. Lets us see photos of this new yet to be seen United Airlines Business Class. Until then the talk is cheap, and the press release
78 AirCanada014 : I think only VS seats are 6ft 9in long. Congratulations to DL now offering the same product as AC, VS, NZ and CX. I wonder if other airlines will fol
79 NW747-400 : Based on the new EV base opening at LAX to feed DL, I would venture to guess DL is planning on this. Time will tell though!
80 Jacobin777 : What does DL own? It's balance sheet is deeply in the red.....It even had to sell Atlantic Southeast Airlines for $425 million in cash to SkyWest Air
81 Cslusarc : I'm thinking that DL needs to order a good dozen 77Ls. (DL shouldn't order new 772ERs but acquire them second hand, perhaps from SQ when they decide t
82 Post contains images Halls120 : "Dude", I don't hate DL. My brother is a DL 767 Captain. Why would I hate them? What I find hilarious on Anet is the large preponderance of airline K
83 QFSYD744 : Mate the argument that you made was out of context and had nothing to do with the topic. The majority of people in this topic have asked you time and
84 Post contains images Halls120 : No personal attacks this time? I'm almost disappointed. I compare AA and UA's first to DL biz elite because I can. Because AA and UA and DL all have
85 B777ER : You misinterpeted what I was saying, the wink was for DL and DXB....some here think DL will never fly to DXB while I think they will be 2010 at the l
86 Alitalia744 : Subtract three years from that and lets talk! Thursday is right around the corner.
87 Post contains images QFSYD744 : I fully agree with the above. The way that you come across is as if you are shunning Delta Air Lines as if they were head to head with AA/UA. Which t
88 Lono : a far cry from DL survival mode 6 months ago...... GO widget! By god they might make it... and how!
89 STT757 : The MRTC effect only this time in the front cabin, will they be able to get bigger returns off fewer seats? Recent history says no, but we shall see.
90 Halls120 : I don't shun DL unless I'm going to fly overseas. Right now their product isn't comparable, IMO. Especially to South America. If DL was smart, they'd
91 STT757 : So no 787s for DL well into the next decade? Why make such an investment in the 767s for 2010 if 787s were going to be entering the fleet, does DL pl
92 Alitalia744 : DL has 60+ 767s. They will naturally fly well into the 2010s. 787s in DLs fleet in 2011/2012. Sorry STT757. I know you're heartbroke.
93 Fanoftristars : Well since you're an attorney, let's join the land of make belive and pretend that AA and UA have hired you to sue Delta, for misleading everyone by
94 Post contains images Halls120 : AA and UA aren't stupid enough to try such a stunt, and I wouldn't be stupid enough to take the case even if offered. I do see that you and your frie
95 787KQ : Unfortunately, Delta offers their tired aircraft/non-business elite on the same routes AA offers their tired A300's and 757's. If you can, LAN is the
96 UAL777UK : You just don't get it do you......mate!!!
97 Post contains images Halls120 : what you all seem to not understand is that I'm not trying to "win" anything! I'm just enjoying the fact that expressing my opinion seems to have res
98 B777-700 : Halls, it's the first lie flat seats in Business class. That's what the ad says. Knock it off.
99 Halls120 : When were you appointed the all-knowing sage of what can be posted and who can post? If you don't like my posts - and my opinion. Stop responding. Si
100 DeltaDC9 : Actually it is a discussion board. Very well said. You are free to compare whatever you like. You can compare Deltas Bus Eilite to Southwest if you w
101 Post contains images Halls120 : Oops. I concur absolutely! I would encourage each and every Anet poster to take me to task for every post of mine they don't like. Unlike some of the
102 B777-700 : Practice what you preach. Dude, you're outta gas here. Let it go.[Edited 2006-10-11 15:51:10]
103 Halls120 : I'm not the one complaining about your posts or anyone else's, so I have no reason to "practice what I preach." Since you apparently had trouble the
104 Fanoftristars : Then why are you stupid enough to try and take the case here on a.net? If this case would never stand in a court of law, doesn't it seem strange that
105 Post contains images Halls120 : I cast my rod, and reel in another..... Look. This is a discussion board. As I said before, it isn't the road to world peace. It is a place to post o
106 Fanoftristars : And this statement below would lead all of us to believe it was you OPINION: Yes, everyone is so blind to your opinion and I'm wondering why that's p
107 BAW716 : I've seen a picture of these seats fitted in a 763. Delta needs to move a little quicker with this project; since by the time they are projected to ha
108 Post contains links UAL777UK : http://yahoo.reuters.com/news/articl...41_N10369322&type=comktNews&rpc=44 Some more info.
109 Post contains images Halls120 : Yes, it was very clearly my opinion. Nowhere did I say or assert that my statement was a definitive fact. That you can't tell the difference between
110 WorldTraveler : Halls is really a closet DL supporter. BY continuing to argue his point, he keeps the topic of DL's new lie flat seat alive. All of the DL naysayers j
111 DAL767400ER : Now if only their FA's would look more like Cinderella as well. Signed, The Delta Haters
112 Halls120 : Actually, you are pretty close to being accurate. I want DL to prosper - I don't feel like supporting my brother and his family in their old age shou
113 WorldTraveler : then I think you can confidently plan on your own life and not worry about his.... but still keep him on your Christmas and Thanksgiving visit rotatio
114 JCS17 : I think DL and AC tend to overlook the fact that passengers won't be sleeping the entire flight. Both seats, upright, look like jumpseats, and very un
115 Post contains images A342 : I'd also be interested in that. a.net at its best (as mostly): Everybody argues and rants around, but the really interesting questions remain unanswe
116 WorldTraveler : DL made it pretty clear from its press release that the new seats would premier on the 777LRs in 2008. Remember that we are looking at a pretty small
117 Post contains images AerospaceFan : Woohoo! Way to go, Delta! Let's hope that this is a sign of even more good things to come.
118 Post contains images DL787932ER : True, but it still begs the question: why spend millions of dollars on new BizE seats for the 764s when you are already planning to replace them in l
119 Post contains images MaverickM11 : Oh puhleaze. I don't believe there is any premium to be had yet by having lie flat seats. AA competes vigorously with BA, VS, and UA to LHR and yet d
120 WorldTraveler : There are very few carriers that have turned themselves around as quickly or as dramatically as DL has. That constitutes a cinderella story in my book
121 Post contains images Halls120 : I agree. Maybe someday DL will offer a true first class product.
122 WorldTraveler : Maybe. Maybe not. But being class leading in Business cabins will be worth a lot.
123 Lono : DL has in one way or another been trying to figure out how to survive and "turn themselves around" since the 7.5 days back in 1994/95..... not really
124 WorldTraveler : but DL hadn't bottomed out either. To report a 15 point operating margin swing in one year has never been accomplished by any other airline the size o
125 Dl_mech : Remember that DL has removed 500 or so BizE seats from planes in the past few years. Even the seats that we got back from FedEx MD-11's could probabl
126 DAL767400ER : It's not that easy. The ex-M11 BizE seats had the same width as the 777 seats, namely 21", while the 767 seats are 18.5" due to the width of the fuse
127 Alitalia744 : True, but DL isn't ordering new seats for the 764 conversion. They already have them.
128 Dl_mech : While not easy, it is much cheaper to modify these wider seats to 767 size than to buy new ones.
129 A342 : But even IF they wouldn't cost a single $, why have the hassle associated to this ? The mod itself also costs something, and aircraft on the ground a
130 WorldTraveler : exactly. There is a development time period for new seats...the new lie flat seats DL is buying are not off the shelf products. And DL obviously want
131 MasseyBrown : I don't want to complain about something I haven't tried, but those cushions just don't look very comfortable for my aching bones either as a chair or
132 Fanoftristars : Rumors are a 1-1-1, 8 rows with 24 J seats, and the removal of one of the BE lav's for the pilot crew rest. But, it's just a rumor...
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