MAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 31106 posts, RR: 74 Posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2844 times:
After recently having announced non-stop service from MIA and PBI to Chicago's Midway airport, airTran today announced new non-stops from MIA and PBI to Indianapolis:
Kkfla737 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1033 posts, RR: 1 Reply 1, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2758 times:
FL is really building up both IND and MDW below the radar. So many people on this site criticize FL for not seizing opportunities, but I think FL is nicely set up for when one or more legacy carriers fail, by becoming smaller players in multiple major markets, rather than a major player at only one or two large markets. If NW goes down, FL can expand IND for example. They are setting themselves up perfectly.
DeltaDAWG From United States of America, joined May 2006, 620 posts, RR: 1 Reply 2, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2760 times:
Great news for the Midwesterners again! Another alternative to NW out of IND. This should be another good move for FL.
WHEN, oh WHEN will the westward expansion come though - out of MDW, BWI, etc?
Sflaflight From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 1182 posts, RR: 1 Reply 3, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2750 times:
OK, well that is actually quite good. I know that IND-FLL has quite a bit of O & D between the snowbirds, visitors, and cruise pax. NW does well on that route. FL also serves it nonstop. I think it's time to open up the connection to the other Platinum Coast cities.
Competition of the MIA route will come from MQ's ERJ. PBI has no non stops between the cities.
Just a quick check of fares on Orbitz for Thanksgiving Week (since it is a popular travel period) to MIA from IND gives fares of 898.00 on MQ. Very steep for domestic midwest service. PBI fares for same period is FL themselves (the cheapest) at 414.00 with a stop.
Reverse fare are cheaper (by about 100.00 for PBI, but about 300.00 from MIA) as it is off season from South FLorida.
I'm not worried for MIA, but will PBI be a problem. I need to dig up the numbers to see. Mark, you might have them off hand.
STLGph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 8976 posts, RR: 28 Reply 4, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2735 times:
Quoting Sflaflight (Reply 3): Competition of the MIA route will come from MQ's ERJ.
When did AA end the 737 service along the route?
Quoting Sflaflight (Reply 3): I'm not worried for MIA, but will PBI be a problem.
the numbers are low (Faremeasure says 46) but at the same time, historically, Indianapolis has seen multiple nonstops into Ft. Lauderdale and zero into West Palm. what might have been going on...people were simply flying into Ft. Lauderdale and then commuting up to West Palm Beach. now, cutting down the number of frequencies into Ft. Lauderdale and just simply offering a nonstop into West Palm Beach might prove fruitful.
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A330323X From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 3039 posts, RR: 48 Reply 5, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2618 times:
Quoting STLGph (Reply 4): historically, Indianapolis has seen multiple nonstops into Ft. Lauderdale and zero into West Palm.
USAir served IND-PBI back in the day.
I'm the expert on here on two things, neither of which I care about much anymore.
RL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4537 posts, RR: 13 Reply 6, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2590 times:
looking at FL's route map several other routes seem ripe for the pickin..
IND-CLT
IND-BOS
IND-LGA
IND-EWR
IND-IAD/DCA
Possible even IAD-BWI or PHL despite WN on the route
Experience is what you get when what you thought would work out didn't!
AirTranTUS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 7, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2575 times:
Quoting Kkfla737 (Reply 1): but I think FL is nicely set up for when one or more legacy carriers fail
On the East Coast yes, but their West Coast service is dismal. They shold expand out this way. They don't have many major East Coast markets left to enter.
MIASkies From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 1334 posts, RR: 1 Reply 8, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2565 times:
RL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4537 posts, RR: 13 Reply 9, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2553 times:
Quoting AirTranTUS (Reply 7): They don't have many major East Coast markets left to enter.
Im hoping for PVD!
2002-2003
ATL-PVD
4x 757 1x MD88 fares $200-300
2006
ATL-PVD
1x MD88 3x CRJ-200 fares $450-650
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STLGph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 8976 posts, RR: 28 Reply 11, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2494 times:
JetBlueAtJFK From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 1687 posts, RR: 4 Reply 12, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2430 times:
I'm surpirsed they hadn't gone after IND-PBI/MIA before. The new FL flights should drop those fares. I can only imagine havign to dish out 800 bucks to fly the route pre FL. Keep on expanding AirTran...
STLGph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 8976 posts, RR: 28 Reply 13, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2339 times:
Travatl From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 2172 posts, RR: 11 Reply 14, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2316 times:
Word on the street is a new city will be announced Friday (Oct 13). Personally, I think it'll be a firm start date for CUN. If not, look for for PHX or STL....
ATAIndy From United States of America, joined May 2004, 579 posts, RR: 4 Reply 15, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2311 times:
Quoting DeltaDAWG (Reply 2): Another alternative to NW out of IND
Ahh, always good to hear.
Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 6): looking at FL's route map several other routes seem ripe for the pickin..
Yes, but most of these routes are in direct competition with at least one other airline. FL might pick them, but I doubt if they are ripe.
JetBlueAtJFK From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 1687 posts, RR: 4 Reply 16, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2277 times:
Quoting STLGph (Reply 13):
How long until Northwest announces resumption of service into Miami or West Palm?
Lol I vote a week!
Quoting Travatl (Reply 14): Word on the street is a new city will be announced Friday (Oct 13). Personally, I think it'll be a firm start date for CUN. If not, look for for PHX or STL....
Hopefully they jump in on PHX and STL first. They should work on the west first, then Caribbean. So what do you think their STL and PHX schedules would look like if they announced them.
STLGph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 8976 posts, RR: 28 Reply 17, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2254 times:
Quoting JetBlueAtJFK (Reply 16): Hopefully they jump in on PHX and STL first. They should work on the west first, then Caribbean.
I disagree on this, a bit. The season for Caribbean travel is coming right up and around the corner. With all their flights from the midwest and the northeast, they could probably make a go at a destination or two, offering an "off bank time" departure.
Quoting JetBlueAtJFK (Reply 16): So what do you think their STL and PHX schedules would look like if they announced them.
I suspect they would announce Phoenix before St. Louis, just because Phoenix is more of a hole in their system than St. Louis. Both airports are served enough by their respective carriers, but Phoenix geographically makes for better connecting opportunities to the AirTran network, and there's probably enough of a local following to jump on board.
Phoenix -- 2 x daily 737
St. Louis -- 3 x daily 717
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Usairways85 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 3096 posts, RR: 8 Reply 18, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 2168 times:
Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 6): Possible even IAD-BWI or PHL despite WN on the route
Do you mean possibly IND-IAD, BWI, or PHL. Because WN doesn't fly PHL-IND and i doubt they will fly IAD-IND anytime soon
WDBRR From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 604 posts, RR: 0 Reply 19, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 2147 times:
Did Airtran secure more gates for this expansion?
how many gates do they currently have?
Quickmover From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2464 posts, RR: 0 Reply 20, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2103 times:
Chase From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 1054 posts, RR: 0 Reply 21, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2071 times:
Question: Does AirTran sell tickets that have connections in IND or MDW? Or are IND and MDW sold strictly as O/D markets by FL?
Jbmitt From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 508 posts, RR: 2 Reply 23, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2015 times:
STLGph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 8976 posts, RR: 28 Reply 24, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2012 times:
Quoting WDBRR (Reply 19): Did Airtran secure more gates for this expansion?
how many gates do they currently have?
AirTran definitely has C2 and C4 and they've been using C10 from time to time since April. C10, I believe is, for the most part, a common use gate, unless they've got their full artillerly of colors displayed on it as of now. Correct me if I'm wrong but I think all the gates in the "C" Concourse are common use, but the regularly scheduled airlines that use them get the priority on the gates. AirTran only has roughly 17 or 18 daily flights from Indianapolis, depending on their seasonal activities.
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25 ATAIndy: Actaully, WN either just started, or will be starting that route soon. I agree, it would be nice to see some eastcoast expansion with FL. -Feister
26 STLGph: It'd be nice to see any expansion out of Indianapolis. Next summer it'd be great to see them offer a nonstop to Seattle. Plus, if people are so anxio
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