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JetBlue At ORD...one Step Closer!  
User currently offlineJetBlueNYFL From United States of America, joined May 2006, 274 posts, RR: 3
Posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 8234 times:

http://www.chicagobusiness.com/cgi-bin/news.pl?id=22396

JetBlue wins round with FAA for O’Hare access

(Crain’s) — The Federal Aviation Administration has brushed aside objections raised by United Airlines and American Airlines, saying it could allow JetBlue Airways Corp. or any new entrant to gain access to O’Hare International Airport under a flight-capping system that will be modified October 29.

But the FAA postponed a final decision on the discount carrier’s request for eight arrivals a day at O’Hare, saying it would be addressed “later.”

United and American, the dominant carriers at O’Hare, had objected to JetBlue’s request, arguing that it should apply for landing rights under the new rule that goes into effect Oct. 29, which would require a new entrant to buy or lease slots if any new landing rights become available.

While putting off a decision on JetBlue, the FAA noted that any new entrant could gain access to O’Hare under the current flight cap rule that expires Oct. 28, as long as it obtains gates and other facilities needed to start flying within 90 days, or Jan. 27, 2007.

“The Department of Aviation recently learned that space may soon become available on a common use gate in O'Hare's Terminal 2, which will be vacated by America West before the end of this month,” says a spokeswoman for the Chicago Department of Aviation. “Depending on the airline, this gate can accommodate about seven to 10 flights daily.”

JetBlue is the only carrier that has applied for landing rights under the current rule, which doesn’t require payment for the slots.

“Our objection was to the process, not JetBlue entering the market,” says a United spokesperson. “We’d still like a fair process and one that other carriers have followed.”

A spokesman for JetBlue declined to comment on the FAA order until a final decision is rendered. “We are very interested in O’Hare. This is a process we have to go through.”


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User currently offlineCharlienorth From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 1119 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 8226 times:

Quoting JetBlueNYFL (Thread starter):

“Our objection was to the process, not JetBlue entering the market,” says a United spokesperson. “We’d still like a fair process and one that other carriers have followed.”

And it hasn't been a fair process,Me smelleth a certain NY senator in on this.


User currently offlineJetBlueAtJFK From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 1687 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 8119 times:

This whole process is getting stupid, just approve them already and let B6 get in there. People have been complaining for so long, just let 'em in.

B6jfk airplane 



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User currently offlineATAIndy From United States of America, joined May 2004, 591 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 8107 times:

Isn't competition good for the economy, and more importantly, the consumer?

(Rhetorical question by the way)

-Feister



Boiler up!
User currently offlineCharlienorth From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 1119 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 8107 times:

It's simple..just lift all flight caps,don't mind seeing Blue here,the fact UAL and AMR relinquished flights is what a lot of people are complaining about.

User currently offlineDaron4000 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 712 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 8078 times:

I hope the FAA lets B6 in, just so UA and AA can add back ALL the flights they cut to SUPPORT the FAA in cutting delay times. I think that would be better revenge than not letting B6 in, at least for UA and AA. Of course, they'd have to wait until after the DOT releases the China authority so that it doesn't go to CO  Smile.

User currently offlineQFSYD744 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 8052 times:

Quoting Daron4000 (Reply 5):
I hope the FAA lets B6 in, just so UA and AA can add back ALL the flights they cut to SUPPORT the FAA in cutting delay times. I think that would be better revenge than not letting B6 in, at least for UA and AA. Of course, they'd have to wait until after the DOT releases the China authority so that it doesn't go to CO

The game is simple if B6 enters the Chicago market AA/UA/DL will flood them out with the same fares, and higher frequency. It is a lose - lose situation for B6.


User currently offlineTeneriffe77 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 465 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 8013 times:

AA and UA cause problems for B6 in this market yes, DL no.
I just looked up flights from the NYC area to chicago on DL and found that there are only 6 flights each day 1 from JFK and 5 from LGA. IF B6 does a 4x JFK-ORD on the 320's or emb-190's then B6 should have no problem (They compete well in the NYC-florida market which is one of DL's main markets and one in which DL could easily have dumped more capacity in if they had wanted to).


User currently offlineJFK69 From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 1405 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 8000 times:

It may be a lose/lose for B6, but for consumers this is a win win. No person on this board should be upset if B6 were to start. This would jack up frequency and lower fares. I hope B6 does well, but even if they don't, as a consumer I win.

User currently offlineExFATboy From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2974 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 7963 times:

Quoting Charlienorth (Reply 1):
And it hasn't been a fair process,Me smelleth a certain NY senator in on this.

Nah, if Chuck was in this we'd see him on the news with one of his damned charts blabbing away.  Silly

It seems pretty simple to me - the existing rules are in place until October 28th. JetBlue opted to apply under the existing rules instead of waiting for the new ones. Anyone else can also apply before Oct 28. AA and UA may object to the existing rules, and they're within their rights to protest, just as B6 is within its rights to protest the Love Field "comprimise."

Actually, as a B6 fan and stockholder (a whopping 175 shares), I'd prefer they not go into Chicago. While I don't think it'll be a bloodletting, AA and UA will lower fares enough to make the yields miserable. There are better things to do with the equipment...


User currently offlineLowecur From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 585 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 7963 times:

Well, well...........where are all my detractors? The degreed economist and the rest of the UAL/AMR apologists. It is all really rather simple....not complicated as the spin from UAL/AMR........the FAA wanted a vehicle for new entrants into ORD and they spelled it out........but wait, that can't be right.......according to those high-priced corporate mouthpieces for both companies.

Like I said, it's a done deal......get over it! The rest of the gates and slots will come when UAL and their merger dance partner want the DOJs blessing.

[Edited 2006-10-11 03:49:27]

User currently offlineJetBlueNYFL From United States of America, joined May 2006, 274 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 7923 times:

Quoting QFSYD744 (Reply 6):
The game is simple if B6 enters the Chicago market AA/UA/DL will flood them out with the same fares, and higher frequency. It is a lose - lose situation for B6.

DL barely serves NYC-CHI, except for a few RJ's. AA and UA...yes they will match fares and increase frequency...but that won't "flood jetBlue out of town"...just like they did not on the NYC-Los Angeles route. AA, DL, UA and others serve it and jetBlue is flourishing on JFK-LGB/BUR/ONT. Same goes for JFK-BOS/IAD.

Many ask what will jetBlue bring to the table on JFK-ORD, since fares are already low. Well, for starters walk-up fares will be more reasonable. And, the IFE obviously - on a 1-2 hour flight, it might not be such a big factor but it is definitely something to consider. When traffic/weather is bad, and a flight is held on the ground at orgin or destination for a few hours, the TV is there and makes people happier. We live in a connected/linked world. Especially on a business route like this, business people can stay in touch with CNBC or even just watch ESPN to relax for a little. In addition, jetBlue's airplanes will most likely be the first to become internet-accessable at 35,000 feet. The wireless internet (which hopefully will be offered soon) is definitely another selling point for these business travelers. What else will jetBlue bring? Award-winning customer service, friendly people and fewer policies/restrictions especially for the "Average Joe."

So, back to the above quote...will jetBlue be forced out of ORD if they do get the approval to fly there? I highly doubt it...they proved so many wrong on their transcon service, NYC-BOS/IAD service, and NYC-Florida (competing directly with DL).

It has been rumored that jetBlue will be announcing an international codeshare soon - this will also enhance the service.



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User currently offlineWsan581 From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 178 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 7859 times:

Quoting JetBlueNYFL (Reply 11):
just like they did not on the NYC-Los Angeles route. AA, DL, UA and others serve it and jetBlue is flourishing on JFK-LGB/BUR/ONT. Same goes for JFK-BOS/IAD.

 checkmark  Thank You!All the nay sayers bashed B6 for entering into the shuttle market, as they did when B6 entered LA. jetBlue has succeeded in these markets.



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User currently offlineFlightopsguy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 348 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 7853 times:

An extra 600-800 seats a day from Chicago to the NY Metro market won't mean a hill of beans when the majors offer from ORD and MDW something like 15,000-18,000 seats a day.

When IDE was flying CHI-WAS 12 RT's a day I could always get a walkup seat for $199 or less, even when UAL or AAL or SWA was full and buying people off.

Yields will be crappy for the first couple of years at least. Delays will eat 'em alive (has anyone noticed that the 1900Z bank at JFK is over the arrival rate almost every day???) and most international pax will opt to take AAL or UAL or their Alliance partners directly out of ORD.

If JBU wins ORD slots, look for UAL and AAL to ask the FAA and the City of Chicago for other dispensations. Big money talks. Do you think that JBU will pay the same price for Jet-A as the majors at ORD (serious city/county tax on fuel at ORD and MDW)? How much will line maintenance contracts cost them at ORD...don't expect the carriers with local maintenance to give their services away.

Has JBU even considered the price of a serious Chicagoland advertising plan?
Local sales staff calling on the tens of thousands of Chicagoland corporate customers?

It will be entertaining to hear the JBU flight ops coordinators whining on the SPO about ORD delays. They whine about every CAN route or JFK groundstop or A761 reroutes from Florida.

Even 15 years ago, there was very little service from ORD to JFK...just no demand. Maybe one or two flights a day on the majors. Hard to get the business traveler to think of JFK as the best destination for his/her quick trip to NYC.

I am sure that some leisure/thrifty pax will do anything to save $20 on a roundtrip to the Big Apple, even when it will take 'em 6-8 hours to get there.

So let 'em come to ORD...no big deal.

[Edited 2006-10-11 04:23:33]


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User currently offlineWsan581 From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 178 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 7832 times:

Quoting QFSYD744 (Reply 6):
The game is simple if B6 enters the Chicago market AA/UA/DL will flood them out with the same fares, and higher frequency. It is a lose - lose situation for B6.

When B6 entered LGB, AA added non-stop service to JFK, what happened?

When B6 entered OAK, AA added non-stop service to JFK, what happened?

When B6 entered CLT. US added service to JFK, B6 still sees high load to CLT.

And the list goes on. My point is that where ever B6 enters there will be competition. B6 is able to hold there ground in these markets and ORD will be no different.



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User currently offlineQFSYD744 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 7807 times:

Quoting JetBlueNYFL (Reply 11):
jetBlue is flourishing on JFK-LGB/BUR/ONT.

Yes we all know how well MCO-BUR was.. rotfl 

Quoting Wsan581 (Reply 14):
When B6 entered LGB, AA added non-stop service to JFK, what happened?

AA added an additional LAX-JFK with the 762

Quoting Wsan581 (Reply 14):
When B6 entered OAK, AA added non-stop service to JFK, what happened?

AA added an additional SFO-JFK with the 762

Quoting Wsan581 (Reply 14):
When B6 entered CLT. US added service to JFK, B6 still sees high load to CLT

US entered the JFK market into its already frequent NYC schedule to EWR, LGA, and coming soon HPN.


User currently offlineFlightopsguy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 348 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 7794 times:

Quoting JetBlueNYFL (Reply 11):
And, the IFE obviously - on a 1-2 hour flight, it might not be such a big factor but it is definitely something to consider.

Only important to ADHD pre-teenagers raised on Sesame Street. Serious business people will be on their cellphones and broadband wireless laptop connections (Verizon and Sprint) doing business. Leisure adult travelers will take a few minutes of shut-eye after consuming 3 or more martinis in the concourse bar waiting out their delay. Kewl college kids will be going through their Ipod playlists.



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User currently offlineJetBlueAtJFK From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 1687 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 7767 times:

Quoting Flightopsguy (Reply 16):
Only important to ADHD pre-teenagers raised on Sesame Street.

Well maybe but when I have flown B6 on JFK-IAD-JFK many business men were watching all the news channels and such and many business men and woman were watching tv and listening to XM. A majority of people will watch despite your statement.

B6jfk airplane 



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User currently offlineFlightopsguy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 348 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 7749 times:

Quoting JetBlueAtJFK (Reply 17):
Well maybe but when I have flown B6 on JFK-IAD-JFK many business men were watching all the news channels and such and many business men and woman were watching tv and listening to XM. A majority of people will watch despite your statement.

I was talking about on the ground during ATC delays...not in flight. I still think most business people (myself and spouse included) will take most of the enroute time to work, or if there is leisure time, to pull out our laptops and watch a DVD movie that we brought along. We don't need to pay for inflight movies on the majors, and wouldn't pay for 'em on JBU. XM is great...look for live XM on several major carriers in the next 12-18 months. Easy technology and not as heavy to carry as the DirectTV equipment. UAL had satellite broadcast radio 10-12 years ago.

And by the way...I've flown JBU between JFK and Florida several times...perfectly OK flights...but absolutely nothing special. Dunkin Donuts coffee instead of Starbucks on the majors...CARBO snacks..same seats as everyone else's Airbus...not as much room as UAL's E+. Friendly F/A's. Worth saving $20 over another carrier? Not really. Out of control 20-something gate agents yelling at elderly pax? Entertaining but sad.

[Edited 2006-10-11 04:48:41]


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User currently offlineATLAaron From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 1023 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 7749 times:
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Quoting JFK69 (Reply 8):
It may be a lose/lose for B6, but for consumers this is a win win. No person on this board should be upset if B6 were to start. This would jack up frequency and lower fares. I hope B6 does well, but even if they don't, as a consumer I win.

I really do not think it will lower fares much if at all. WN flying to MDW has already lowered the fares for Chicago. The only routes it is going to lower is those into NYC since that is a bit of a gap for WN (not counting PHL).


User currently offlineJetBlueNYFL From United States of America, joined May 2006, 274 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 7731 times:

Quoting QFSYD744 (Reply 15):
Quoting JetBlueNYFL (Reply 11):
jetBlue is flourishing on JFK-LGB/BUR/ONT.

Yes we all know how well MCO-BUR was..

Did I mention MCO-BUR? No, it was one dropped route. JFK-LGB/BUR/ONT is doing fantastic for jetBlue.

Quoting QFSYD744 (Reply 15):
AA added an additional LAX-JFK with the 762



Quoting QFSYD744 (Reply 15):
AA added an additional SFO-JFK with the 762

AA also dropped LGB-JFK because of jetBlue. Just like Delta created Song...and it eventually failed, all because of jetBlue. AA also offered the "Fly 3, Get one Free" promo...the outragously good deal to try and lure loyal jetBlue customers back to the legacy AA who screwed them with high fares and crappy service which is always the punchline of a commedian's joke for years.

Quoting QFSYD744 (Reply 15):
US entered the JFK market into its already frequent NYC schedule to EWR, LGA, and coming soon HPN.

So??? Mr. Doug Parker didn't think jetBlue would last even this long is CLT...they are doing great in the mean time.

Quoting Flightopsguy (Reply 16):
Only important to ADHD pre-teenagers raised on Sesame Street. Serious business people will be on their cellphones and broadband wireless laptop connections (Verizon and Sprint) doing business. Leisure adult travelers will take a few minutes of shut-eye after consuming 3 or more martinis in the concourse bar waiting out their delay. Kewl college kids will be going through their Ipod playlists.

hahahaha, so business people don't watch TV is what you're saying? ONLY teens with ADHD watch TV?????

May I make a suggestion? Take a quick trip over to www.adage.com and subscribe to the magazine. Advertising Age will show you that pretty much ALL DEMOGRAPHICS IN THIS COUNTRY watch TV regularly.



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User currently offlineJetBlueNYFL From United States of America, joined May 2006, 274 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 7699 times:

Quoting Flightopsguy (Reply 18):
Dunkin Donuts coffee instead of Starbucks on the majors...CARBO snacks..same seats as everyone else's Airbus...not as much room as UAL's E+. Friendly F/A's. Worth saving $20 over another carrier? Not really. Out of control 20-something gate agents yelling at elderly pax? Entertaining but sad.

Starbucks on the majors? Well, jetBlue is a major - a major is classified as an airline with over $1 billion in revenue annually. If you mean legacy airlines, you get generic coffee in coach on most. For your information, Dunkin Donuts has been voted BEST coffee in America year after year. Same seats? jetBlue's seats are leather...and the pitch/width is somewhat greater than other airlines. UA's E+ is nice...same coach seat, more legroom...but not nearly everyone gets those seats.

Out-of-control gate agents?? I've never seen that...JFK is a madhouse but it's NYC. I have seen much worse at other airlines.



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User currently offlineFlightopsguy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 348 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 7699 times:

Quoting JetBlueNYFL (Reply 20):
May I make a suggestion? Take a quick trip over to www.adage.com and subscribe to the magazine. Advertising Age will show you that pretty much ALL DEMOGRAPHICS IN THIS COUNTRY watch TV regularly.

Of course everyone watches TV regularly. But most serious business people do BUSINESS during BUSINESS hours when their home offices are open and clients are at their desks. I would assume that at 7PM local everyone is watching NFL football or NBA basketball. I've traveled with the CEO of a Fortune 500 company and while he always looks at the sports pages of the NY Times or Chicago Tribune first, 75% of the time on the airplane is about doing business...getting ready for the meeting on the other end, etc.



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User currently offlineFlightopsguy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 348 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 7690 times:

Quoting JetBlueNYFL (Reply 21):
nd the pitch/width is somewhat greater than other airlines

Differences in pitch, for sure..but the width of a 320 seat in coach is the same pretty much on all US carriers. About 1/2-1 inch wider than a Boeing seat.

UAL serves Starbucks...I think DL does also.

Out of control gate agents in Florida stations being totally non-customer focused to all the old folks traveling...seen this several times on JBU...sad.



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User currently offlineQFSYD744 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 7629 times:

Quoting JetBlueNYFL (Reply 20):
JFK-LGB/BUR/ONT is doing fantastic for jetBlue.

Burbank reduced frequency to JFK

Quoting JetBlueNYFL (Reply 20):
AA also offered the "Fly 3, Get one Free" promo the outragously good deal to try and lure loyal jetBlue customers back to the legacy AA who screwed them with high fares and crappy service which is always the punchline of a commedian's joke for years.

The Fly 3 get one Free was for Dallas Love Field, and was created when Southwest Airlines commenced Dallas Love Field to Kansas City, St. Louis, and New Orleans. In addition it also included service to Austin, San Antonio, and Houston.

Quoting JetBlueNYFL (Reply 20):
Just like Delta created Song...and it eventually failed, all because of jetBlue.

Wow, now I know what people say when they joke about the "blue juice" drinkers. Bloody mate, Jonestown in the form of an airline.. Are you all that brainwashed? You are actually saying that Song failed solely due to Jet Blue? The lack of understanding on your behalf is amazing. Let alone the one sided Jet Blue spin on what Jet Blue "blue juice" drinkers think is reality.

 crazy 


25 Wsan581 : Your talking about LAX, what happened to LGB/JFK? Again what happened to OAK/JFK? Ahhh... I know US has responded by adding service...but B6 continue
26 Post contains images QFSYD744 : It was dropped in favor of SFO... You know SFO, the airport B6 didnt want to fly into. The UA/AA Trans-Con stronghold! It was dropped in favor of LAX
27 JetBlueNYFL : For the slower fall season...as on all routes. JetBlue's BUR loads were well above 90% all summer to JFK. I wasn't even aware of the promo you're tal
28 Jetdeltamsy : If Independence Air was able to enter the market with something like 16 flights a day at the beginning, i'm sure there is a way for B6 to enter the ma
29 Wsan581 : Yea..because AA could not make money on that route! It was a smart move by AA. Does that mean AA failed? No, but LGB/JFK just did not work out for th
30 AIR757200 : I don't know why people are so passionate about arguing about who succeeded on a route, blah, blah... if B6 wants to play on the ORD-NYC route, so be
31 JetBlueNYFL : Someone who makes sense!!! Most jetBlue-bashers on here must really truly believe that jetBlue management consists of a group of oblivious, idiotic p
32 Post contains images Wsan581 : Thank You. Does anyone honestly think B6 would enter ORD too lose money? Or enter any market for that matter.
33 N844AA : What? Of course they're not entering the market to lose money. But that's no guarantee that they can make it work, particularly in a citypair as ridi
34 Wsan581 : Agreed. Theres no guarantee with any market they will enter. However the fact that there is 30 plus flights a day means that there is great demand fo
35 Post contains images Jacobin777 : AA still domintates JFK-SFO/JFK-LAX.... LGB wasn't big on AA's list and it was better to put valuable resources for to other use..... Please stop yel
36 N844AA : You may very well be right. My guess would be that between Chicago and New York, frequency is king, and that B6 won't be able to attract the yields n
37 JetBlueNYFL : I agree with you on this statement 100%. I never said jetBlue is guaranteed success on JFK-ORD. I said I think they would do well. There's a big diff
38 Jetdeltamsy : yea yea...i agree. i don't expect B6 to enter the market with more than 2 or 3 flights a day. my point was that if Independence could secure 16 slots
39 ORDagent : It's a done deal. The old IndyAir counter is open...but small. One little gate can keep B6 at least a toe hold.
40 Supa7E7 : Neither does the FAA. They are making it up as they go along.
41 Cactus739 : While a 90% load factor is pretty and something to be proud of...its somewhat meaningless. Did they make money on that 90% load factor....that's what
42 Ckfred : In the past, B6 has said that it wouldn't enter ORD, unless it could get 4 or 5 gates. The plan was to make ORD a small Midwestern hub. So now, B6 pla
43 Jc2354 : Well, schedules, times, aircraft, IFE, cabin service, gourmet coffee, etc. The real competition will be from the mileage/frequent flyer programs of Am
44 SKYYBLUE : Was that in a press release we missed? ORD a small midwestern HUB? Never heard that one before. Critical mass?? ORD is going to be another spoke in o
45 Lowecur : Jetblue is not starting ORD to make money. ORD or Chicago is a must on any network carriers list if they intend to maintain the business travelers lo
46 Jacobin777 : I think the scenerio with Indy and B6 are a bit different though...(as mentioned above) Will it be from Terminal-2?
47 Flyingbronco05 : So AA and UA had to cut flights from ORD to help with delays, now B6 gets to come in? Just another reason for me to not fly JetBlue. This is just redi
48 FA4B6 : Exactly. The same can be said about B6's ATL-LGB/OAK. Right?
49 ChrisNH : This is interesting to watch, as the LCC heavyweights start entering big-city airports. Many people thought that Southwest would carbon-copy the 'Manc
50 B777-700 : I wasn't going to reply to this thread, but I'm sorry, that statement is one of the biggest crocks of crap I've read on here in a long time. It's jus
51 Wsan581 : This a good point..I never looked at it from this point of view. I don't necessarily agree with you on this. Yes CHI/NYC is mostly business travel, b
52 DAYflyer : You know, they could easily run Jet Blue out of town if AA, UA, DL, and others simply put free TV on the flights. Its really about the only thing Jet
53 Post contains images QFSYD744 : No it cannot.. B6 failed in Atlanta, where as AA served LGB, and retracted back to LAX with more frequency. B6 doesnt even fly to the state of Georgi
54 Post contains images Lightsaber : Interesting... Smart. When the regulators are willing to work with you, shut the frak up! Its simple, build all of the runways in the expansion plan
55 FA4B6 : Well, TV is not all JetBlue has going for it. There are TVs, movies, radio, big (and wide) leather seats, full beverage and snack selection, simple f
56 Post contains images QFSYD744 : So lets get this right all of the B6 customers wrote down JFK-ORD... Pass the blue juice.. Jet blue was the one that a few years ago said they had pl
57 Post contains images Jacobin777 : Granted JFK-ORD might work since there really isn't too much service from JFK...but BOS-ORD-BOS would be one *ell of a daunting task.... AA sends 10
58 Post contains images QFSYD744 : Piss UA and AA off and you will be seeing mainline jets on the route!
59 JetBlueNYFL : Huh? Do we really need to go over all the perks offered by jetBlue? This is the most senseless comment I've ever read regarding jetBlue. To the Avera
60 QFSYD744 : Please tell us what Jet Blue has that no other airline in the U.S. offers?
61 N844AA : With everything that B6 offers, I wouldn't bring this up because you're just asking to get smacked down. I have reasonably large mileage balances on
62 Mason747 : Its about time that this is happening. Chicago shouldve been one of their first destinations.
63 Midway2airtran : It will be an interesting story to watch should JetBlue get the slots. I won't call it a battle or anything like that due to the low amount of seats t
64 JetBluefan1 : I actually completely agree with you on this. BOS-ORD would be really hard to crack. Since JFK-ORD and LGB-ORD either have no direct competition or h
65 Historic747 : I think that strategy would be a greater loss for UA and AA. UA and AA do not have a cost structure to support the lower fares while B6 can very well
66 Historic747 : Better returns to its shareholders and lower prices for the consumers. what else do you want?
67 QFSYD744 : Jet Blue fares are not as low as one might think..
68 JFK998 : Excellent! I was waiting for that!
69 Historic747 : Well in light of competition B6 can lower the fares to an extent that they remain profitable due to their lower cost base. UA and AA can not. That is
70 N844AA : Since it debuted, JBLU has resulted in approximately a 25% loss to its shareholders. While that's not exactly bad for an airline, it looks like the n
71 Post contains images QFSYD744 : The newness and the fluff from the new airline are starting to show signs of reality!
72 Post contains images JetBlueAtJFK : Well with Trueblue, in the past 3 1/2 months I have gotten 2 free flights on B6 from flying on B6 and using the B6 Amex. I know with my dad's AA mile
73 QFSYD744 : No Miami, No Hawaii, No London, No Paris, No Rio de Janeiro, No Hong Kong.. No Go!
74 Historic747 : Servicing all these places and making no profit is meaningless to shareholders and financial markets. when it comes to that...AA no good.
75 QFSYD744 : Mate, are you aware of the contracts that American Airlines has with corporations that equal to barrels of money day in and day out? Regarding Shareh
76 Jerseyguy : But Fort Lauderdale which is only 15 minutes further from Downtown Miami then MIA.
77 Historic747 : Numbers matter. Financial markets do not work on basis of 'feelings'. Credit standing...Nobody will lend money to AMR. Their credit ratios are so bad
78 Laxatljfkcvg : Is jetblue part of starallice or skyteam. If skyteam,ORD will be very out of place.
79 JetBlueAUS : JetBlue is not in an alliance of any kind, with any other airline.
80 Richierich : Isn't FLL just 25 miles from MIA? Big deal. The other places are nice but it does take quite a bit of (very expensive) travelling to gain enough poin
81 N844AA : Evidently someone will lend money to AMR; otherwise, where'd that $14.12 billion in debt come from? But never mind that JBLU and AMR currently share
82 PolymerPlane : First of all you do not need to be a jerk. For a 60 years old guy you should not talk like a teenager. Shame. Like I said before and I'll say it agai
83 Post contains images Lightsaber : B6 does quite a few customer surveys. What they ask is where should they fly next (city) and what airport their customers would like to fly to. Every
84 Wsan581 : Your absolutely correct...time will tell. Personally I believe there is enough revenue within the sector for B6 to enjoy. Most airlines have contract
85 Post contains images Wsan581 : The scary part is...your right!
86 Post contains images Jacobin777 : Give me a MadDog over a Jungle Jet ANY day of the year...
87 Post contains images QFSYD744 : Why is everyone so quick to say that the MD-80 and DC-9 are so horrible?
88 JetBlueNYFL : From a business standpoint...less fuel efficient, less utilization, less technology available.
89 N844AA : Well, for a long time, these jets were considered very fuel-efficient... just like the 727 used to be. One would hope that newer jets would be more e
90 Post contains images QFSYD744 : American Airlines fully owns their MD-80s and utilizes them extrememly well. The same can be said for Northwest Airlines and their DC-9. As well for
91 Lowecur : I just love in your face know it alls like you who try to complicate something simple. What rule is that? Life is not fair. Just ask the many airline
92 Post contains images Lowecur : Yeah, but you ain't seen noth'n yet. Just wait till Jetblue has a chance to go through BK.
93 PolymerPlane : Thanks. I don't know you love men. FAA's rule Yes life is not fair. That's why those airlines bankrupt. Nothing to do with rules though. Cheers, PP[E
94 MAH4546 : At 3 o'clock in the morning on a Sunday it is. MIA is 10-15 minutes from downtown, 25 on a bad day. FLL is 40-45 minutes from downtown, 90 on a bad d
95 JetBlueNYFL : 100% agreed, but you'll make up for it with all the congestion and delays at MIA. FLL is just an easier airport..also, not the whole world is going t
96 MAH4546 : They are no more worse or better than FLL's. You won't make up for it with anything. The whole world isn't going to Miami, but for 2M people, Miami i
97 CHI787ORD : As lucrative as Chicago is for airlines (great geography, great O&D), I highly doubt that city could be a hub for UA, AA, WN, and B6 and still be pro
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