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Airlines Still Offering Jumpseats To Pax?  
User currently offline9VSRH From Australia, joined Apr 2005, 132 posts, RR: 1
Posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 5000 times:

Hey All
Just out of interest does anyone know of any commercial carriers that still allow jumpseats to passengers post 9/11? I have heard that AF and OA still allow them, are there any others?
Cheers

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User currently offlineRichM From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 803 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 4992 times:

Not unless you are buddies with the flight crew. Even then it's against the policy of many airlines.

User currently offlineLamedianaranja From Venezuela, joined Nov 2004, 1246 posts, RR: 20
Reply 2, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 4985 times:

KL has no problem giving out the jumpseats, either cockpit or cabin. Some captains ask for identification and/or a flight safety certificate, but most are happy to take you.

I'm ground staff and last summer flew with my kids from AMS to MEX on KL, the boys had cabin jump seats and that made it one of the best trips ever.

The assistant purser showed them all over the plane, even went into the main deck cargo compartment (B744Combi) and best of all, they got like 6 or 7 meals each, they just gobbled up everything that came back unopened into the pantry  Wink



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User currently offlineMPDPilot From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 1005 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 4988 times:

I don't know about other countries but in the US isn't it now against the law to have non-employees on the flight deck during flight. perhapps I am mistaken but I thought I heard that somewhere. I thought I also heard that the captain has the final say in the matter.


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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12339 posts, RR: 18
Reply 4, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 4919 times:
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Some NZ pilots still do. I did it in 2003 and another a.netter did it not to long ago

User currently offlineSB From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2006, 216 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 4910 times:

Transport Canada (which loves playing monkey see monkey do with the FAA) has made up a law that forbids anyone except for company aircrew from accessing the flight deck, so forget AC / WS / TS / etc.
BA doesn't allow either, but I don't know whether it's British law, or company procedure - I don't suppose it makes much difference though.

I heard that if you know the right people at AF you can get in, but I have never been successful, even with pilot licence in hand.

S.



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User currently offlineFlyUSCG From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 656 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 4910 times:

Quoting MPDPilot (Reply 3):
I thought I also heard that the captain has the final say in the matter.

Not sure about it being an official law, but I know U.S. airlines dont allow it as a general rule. But I'm guessing they do leave the final say up to the captain for certain circumstances. For example, I was in the cockpit on an America West 757(at the gate) last semester and the captain was showing me a pic of his son on his camera phone sitting in the FO seat during a flight.



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User currently offline9VSRH From Australia, joined Apr 2005, 132 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 4817 times:

Quoting SB (Reply 5):
I heard that if you know the right people at AF you can get in, but I have never been successful, even with pilot licence in hand.

I will be flying SIN-CDG soon, What do you think my chances are?

Quoting FlyUSCG (Reply 6):
For example, I was in the cockpit on an America West 757(at the gate) last semester and the captain was showing me a pic of his son on his camera phone sitting in the FO seat during a flight.

I know that on some carriers (eg Cathay Pacific) that any of the Aircrew's immediate family that are somehow registered with the airline (through staff ticketing I think) are allowed to jumpseat, this may be the same case?

Any more airlines guys Big grin?


User currently offlineOHLHD From Finland, joined Dec 2004, 3962 posts, RR: 25
Reply 8, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 4617 times:

At OS it is possible but you have to know one of the operating flightcrews.

AFAIK QR and EK forbid it completly. The only exceptions are pilots of their own airline or engineers when on important duty travel when the cabin is full.


User currently offlineSB From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2006, 216 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 4483 times:

Quoting 9VSRH (Reply 7):
I will be flying SIN-CDG soon, What do you think my chances are?

If you ask the FAs once aboard: next to none. The majority of AF cabin staff take pride in saying no for some reason - on North Atlantic and Domestic flights anyway.
If you can grapple the Captain before he's locked up in his cabin and convince him that you have a good reason to travel up front you may have a chance. I'm sure speaking french would help too  Wink

S.



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User currently offlineMjlhou From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 154 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 4454 times:

it's simply not allowed by law in any flight deck for any US carrier and (I think) only company policy for the cabin seats. For the flight deck, you must 1.) be a company pilot -or- 2.) be a pilot for another carrier and participate in the C.A.S.S. system and present a valid passport at time of checkin. I think most major U.S. carriers are participating in this program now. Unfortunately, it's just not what it used to be pre 9-11......but at the same time, really can't be.

Cheers

MJL



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User currently offlineJetjack74 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 7438 posts, RR: 50
Reply 11, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 4362 times:
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Quoting FlyUSCG (Reply 6):
But I'm guessing they do leave the final say up to the captain for certain circumstances

No, the pilots are given guidelines to whom is allowed flightdeck entry, and family are not allowed in the flight deck. Even we flight attendants aren't even allowed in the FD until the sterile FD is over. The only time we really go into the flight deck, is when one of the pilots needs to use the restroom or to discuss security concerns. They don't even want us up there to socialise anymore, (unless the flight attendant is a young, attractive, 21 year-old female) stirthepot . Like Mjlhou said, deadeheading pilots, off-duty pilots, pilots with whom carriers have reciprocal j/s agreements with, mechanics on company duty, senior mgt, FAA officials, secret service, etc.

Quoting FlyUSCG (Reply 6):
For example, I was in the cockpit on an America West 757(at the gate) last semester and the captain was showing me a pic of his son on his camera phone sitting in the FO seat during a flight.

Well, if that's true, then that captain is playing with his career as is the FO that was flying with him, because family members are not allowed in the flight deck during flight, take-off/landing under any circumstances.

Quoting Mjlhou (Reply 10):
it's simply not allowed by law in any flight deck for any US carrier and (I think) only company policy for the cabin seats.

 checkmark  It's been law since 1984, and re-enforced after 9/11



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User currently offlineSabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 4338 times:

Quoting 9VSRH (Thread starter):
I have heard that AF and OA still allow them, are there any others?

I have no clue about OA but recently a friend and me found ourself on the cockpit jumpseat of an Aeroflot A319 (DUS-SVO) after we had a small-talk with the F/O.

Air France is actually pretty famous for giving the jumpseat to aviation enthusiasts from time to time, see:

DUS-CDG-MAN In Eco And On The Jumpseat (Pics/Vids) (by Sabena332 Jul 20 2004 in Trip Reports)
Channel Hopping, French Style! Jump Seat + Pics (by A340600 Mar 9 2006 in Trip Reports)
AF Jumpseat Experience In Minute Detail - W/pics! (by UTA_FLYinghigh Feb 3 2004 in Trip Reports)

Patrick


User currently offlineYellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6347 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 4312 times:

in 1990 I flew TA BZE-MIA jumpseat....the agent in Belize was doign me a favour to squeeze me on the flight..

Was the best flight ever...and the crew were really great...showing me everythign in the cockpit...till we hit some dead air over S. Fla!



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User currently offlineColumbia107 From Gibraltar, joined Aug 2004, 358 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 4183 times:

If it is any consolation BA pilots will allow you on the FD whilst the plane is on the ground. My son managed to get an invite on to a T7's FD just prior to take off.

Of course, with a Masters aersopace engineering degree in his pocket, he talked shop with them.



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User currently offlineKazzie From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 4183 times:

Quoting Browntailwhale (Reply 14):
......................

Yes I agree!!

I have jumpseated twice post 9/11, Once on AF, I was offered, and once on KL as staff....

Tis fun!


User currently offlineEDDB From Germany, joined Aug 2006, 244 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 4170 times:

At LH it says "only on duty staff"... But company staff travelling on board may of course perform some duty for example by checking the airspace around by looking out of the window... Decision rests with the captain of course!

But as soon as you're entering US airspace (and I think british airspace as well?) it's forbidden by law, even for non-US airlines!

But I'm pretty amazed that some airlines still accept non-company jumps...
Well well...

[Edited 2006-10-11 21:30:11]

User currently offlineGoldorak From France, joined Sep 2006, 1872 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 4156 times:

Quoting 9VSRH (Reply 7):
I will be flying SIN-CDG soon, What do you think my chances are?

No chance if you don't know the captain or first officer. It was clearly possible before 9/11 but since then...


User currently offlineHVNandrew From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 442 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 4156 times:

9K (Cape Air) offers the jumpseat for anyone who wants it. I've flown it twice on ACK-HYA flights since 9/11.

User currently offlineBaguy From Australia, joined Mar 2006, 546 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 4141 times:

Whats the chance of me getting a jumpseat AF292 CDG-KIX? (pls remember my age!)

BAguy


User currently offlineSabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 4094 times:

Quoting EDDB (Reply 16):
But as soon as you're entering US airspace (and I think british airspace as well?) it's forbidden by law, even for non-US airlines!

It's not, at least not when you're flying on AF, see my trip report (the picture of me was taken above London and the vids were taken on short final to MAN, we didn't have to leave the cockpit when the plane entered British airspace). I also saw pictures from a certain A.net member who sat on the cockpit jumpseat of an AF A332 while taking-off at BOS.

Quoting Baguy (Reply 19):
Whats the chance of me getting a jumpseat AF292 CDG-KIX? (pls remember my age!)

Simply ask when you are boarding, nothing is impossible when you're flying on AF!  bigthumbsup 

Patrick


User currently offlineNkops From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2698 posts, RR: 6
Reply 21, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 4084 times:

Quoting HVNandrew (Reply 18):
9K (Cape Air) offers the jumpseat for anyone who wants it. I've flown it twice on ACK-HYA flights since 9/11.

On a Cessna 402??? There is no jumpseat.



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User currently offlineEDDB From Germany, joined Aug 2006, 244 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 4073 times:

Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 20):
It's not, at least not when you're flying on AF, see my trip report (the picture of me was taken above London and the vids were taken on short final to MAN, we didn't have to leave the cockpit when the plane entered British airspace). I also saw pictures from a certain A.net member who sat on the cockpit jumpseat of an AF A332 while taking-off at BOS.

As I said, I'm not sure about british airspace, maybe some BA guys can help us out here...
But I'm sure about the US! And remember, actually being on a cockpit jump doesn't mean it's allowed...


User currently offlineZRHnerd From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 4048 times:

You can still do it on LX if you know the pilot, but it is theoretically forbidden except for specific company employees

Luckily i know a lot of pilots  Wink


User currently offlineDoug_Or From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3441 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 4030 times:

Quoting Jetjack74 (Reply 11):
Well, if that's true, then that captain is playing with his career as is the FO that was flying with him, because family members are not allowed in the flight deck during flight, take-off/landing under any circumstances.

Maybe at your airline. Some permit non-revs on part 91 ferry flights.



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25 Wdleiser : Rule 1: Know some of the flight crew Rule 2: Dress somewhat nicely Rule 3: Having a PPL helps alot Rule 4: Working with an airline helps alot too
26 Post contains images Sabena332 : Good point. Patrick
27 MPDPilot : I just read the FARs in the US about this and the FAR states that the pilot in command and the part 119 certifacate holder have the say in who is allo
28 Post contains images GOCAPS16 : One buddy flew from BOS-CDG on AF about two years ago, got jumpseat access during takeoff in Boston, apparently his pictures are on the a.net photo d
29 We're Nuts : They have the ATR too. I can understand the appeal of the cockpit jumpseat, but why would anyone want to sit in the cabin jumpseat? FA's don't even w
30 N766UA : All that amounts to jack squat in the US. Nobody is flying cockpit jumpseat in the US except for flight crews and FAA inspectors, end of story.
31 EMBQA : ..and in the US none of those rules are in effect. Unless you meet the requirments of the FAR.. you are not allowed in the cockpit while in flight.
32 Post contains links and images NWOrientDC10 : Yes. KL LHR-AMS-CP, Big And Upfront! (by Kazzie Jun 15 2006 in Trip Reports) Good Trip report Good Day Russell
33 APFPilot1985 : Not true, see the most recent issue of flying magazine. If the Chief Pilot of the Airline as well as the FAA approves it anyone can be issued a pass
34 RandyWaldron : I shouldn't have to say this, and I know you're just a kid. However, you should carefully word and mind what you post on the internet, especially air
35 Lucky42 : In the US, aviation students such as UND or Embry Riddle have internships which allows jumpseat access for familiarization class which used to irritat
36 APFPilot1985 : Why? It all is in the public domain already?
37 Post contains images Lamedianaranja : Last year my kid (18) came back from CDG to AMS in the cockpit as a non-revver, as there were no cabin seats available. I was anxiously waiting for h
38 FlySSC : We don't "take any pride" saying no for some reason. If we say "No", it is simply because the Captain, at the briefing, mentionned : "no visit in the
39 Post contains images N766UA : Which, in practice, will never happen. Don't go getting these kids hopes up, man, we'll have airliners.net members sending letters to chief pilots an
40 Pihero : An intervention,if I may : There are three air spaces where flight decks are (in the post 9-11 jargon ), "sterilised" : the US, the UK and Israel. Els
41 Post contains images ZRHnerd : It depends who´ll be piloting your flight really, you might be lucky to have a nice dude on. I´d think your odds are better if you ask for access o
42 Post contains images RJ100 : I always need a cockpit permit issued by the Swiss federal office for civil aviation when I want the jumpseat in Switzerland. But one can always ask G
43 Noelg : NZ will offer you the jumpseat for operational reasons (i.e. if the cabin is full) - at least on domestic flights. No harm in asking the crew though,
44 Post contains images CY319 : OA and CY still do it.
45 Lordg : i heard that on short domestic flites they're quite leniant
46 Post contains images EK413 : I believe its totally up to the captain... I was stranded (airline staff) at the NEW Bangkok Airport on the 5th,6th,7,8th of October trying to catch a
47 Post contains images VikingA346 : In 1989, as a 5 year-old I was offered to sit in the captains lap while cruising KWI-ARN. It was on a SAS plane - not sure what type. Didnt really pay
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