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Kuwait Airways Incident @ LHR This Morning  
User currently offlineLHR777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 12127 times:

My wife sent me a text from work saying they have an aircraft returning to LHR with a 'code 90', which means 'aircraft accident imminent'.

I just heard on the radio that a Kuwait Airways aircraft was struck by lightning and suffered an engine failure on departure, during the heavy thunder storms we've had this morning.

It has landed safely back at LHR now, according to LBC 97.3 news.

Edit - it was the KU102, returned safely as KU102R, landed at 1202pm LCL.

[Edited 2006-10-11 14:12:33]

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User currently offlineVikingA346 From Sweden, joined Oct 2006, 515 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 11984 times:

What does the "R" mean at the end of the number 102? KU102R? Is that supposed to mean that the aircraft is in distress?

Glad it was able to recover from the strike



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User currently offlineGeo772 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2004, 519 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 11791 times:

The crew reported an engine fire almost immediately after takeoff. It returned about 10 minutes later and landed on 09L safely.

I don't know any more, but lightning has caused quite a few problems today over punctuality.



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User currently offlineLovinitflyboy From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2006, 116 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 11743 times:

Quoting VikingA346 (Reply 1):
What does the "R" mean at the end of the number 102? KU102R? Is that supposed to mean that the aircraft is in distress?

I would assume that it means return, as in KU102R-eturning to LHR at a guess.


User currently offlineQatarA340 From Qatar, joined May 2006, 1883 posts, RR: 10
Reply 4, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 11662 times:

Was it a 777 or A340?


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User currently offlineGeo772 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2004, 519 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 11601 times:

It was an A340. It was number 3 engine.


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User currently offlineQatarA340 From Qatar, joined May 2006, 1883 posts, RR: 10
Reply 6, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 11574 times:

Quoting Geo772 (Reply 5):
It was an A340. It was number 3 engine.

Thanks! Do you if it was going to New York or to Kuwait?



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User currently offlineB742 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 3768 posts, RR: 19
Reply 7, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 11427 times:

Quoting QatarA340 (Reply 6):
Thanks! Do you if it was going to New York or to Kuwait?

It was flying to KWI from LHR, the flight originated in JFK.

Rob!  wave 


User currently offlineLeezyjet From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 4042 posts, RR: 53
Reply 8, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 11066 times:

We had an a/c get struck that landed about 10-15 mins before that Kuwait. Was supposed to depart later, but the flight got cancelled and pax put on a later service due to the damage the lightning caused.

 Smile



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User currently offlineB7878 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 11007 times:

what's going on with KU these days...last week there was another incident on a flight from DAC to KWI which had to be returned to DAC after 30 mins.

User currently offlineLHR777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 10797 times:

Quoting B7878 (Reply 9):
what's going on with KU these days...last week there was another incident on a flight from DAC to KWI which had to be returned to DAC after 30 mins.

Don't you mean "what's going on with mother nature"? It's a lightning strike, nothing that KU or any other carrier could predict with any degree of certainty!  Yeah sure


User currently offlineQatarA340 From Qatar, joined May 2006, 1883 posts, RR: 10
Reply 11, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 10790 times:

Thank God it was an A340, with four engins; at least when one gets damaged you have three spare ones!


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User currently onlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 59
Reply 12, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 10662 times:

Quoting QatarA340 (Reply 11):
Thank God it was an A340, with four engins; at least when one gets damaged you have three spare ones!

The 777's engine is more then powerful enough to pick up the slack.... Wink



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User currently offlineANITIX87 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 3309 posts, RR: 13
Reply 13, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 10559 times:
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Quoting QatarA340 (Reply 11):
Thank God it was an A340, with four engins; at least when one gets damaged you have three spare ones!

Not in an A340, it can barely climb with four! Haha. Only kidding.

All aircraft are designed to be able to climb out with half their powerplants working. (Though I don't know whether 3-engined aircraft must have single engine or double engine capability).

A 777 would have had absolutely no problem climbing, especially with the thrust those engines have. Even an aged 762 can climb with one engine out, as shown last year by US in AMS.

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User currently offlineAugustrg From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 16 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 9761 times:

Quoting Geo772 (Reply 2):
It returned about 10 minutes later and landed on 09L safely.

LHR-KWI. Wouldn't they have to dump fuel before landing? Can they do that and return to the airport in just 10 minutes?


User currently offlineFSPilot747 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 3599 posts, RR: 12
Reply 15, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 9163 times:

Quoting B7878 (Reply 9):
what's going on with KU these days

Lightning, from what I understand.


User currently offlineBrenintw From Taiwan, joined Jul 2006, 1720 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 8952 times:

Quoting Augustrg (Reply 14):
Wouldn't they have to dump fuel before landing? Can they do that and return to the airport in just 10 minutes

Would you dump fuel with an engine fire? Seems rather reckless to me. Perhaps the flight was sufficiently light to be above max landing weight without needing to dump fuel.

Bren



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User currently offlineAlexPorter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 8823 times:

Quoting Brenintw (Reply 16):
Would you dump fuel with an engine fire? Seems rather reckless to me. Perhaps the flight was sufficiently light to be above max landing weight without needing to dump fuel.

Or of course it could have been one of those situations that required landing over the maximum landing weight. Depends how well the fire handle worked I guess.


User currently offlineCBPhoto From United States of America, joined exactly 11 years ago today! , 1572 posts, RR: 6
Reply 18, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 8224 times:

Quoting Brenintw (Reply 16):
Would you dump fuel with an engine fire? Seems rather reckless to me. Perhaps the flight was sufficiently light to be above max landing weight without needing to dump fuel.

Bren

Or you pull the fire extinguisher handle, put the fire out. Then shut down the engine and you are good to dump fuel!  Smile



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User currently offlineChuchoteur From France, joined Sep 2006, 774 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 7558 times:

Dumping fuel over london would NOT be appreciated by the local residents.
I believe that fuel jettison procedures recommend not jettisoning below 10.000ft, as otherwise the fuel will not have dispersed and somebody's going to get it in the face...

there is however a procedure for landing above MLW, I guess the inspections/tyre replacements you might need wouldn't affect aircraft availability more than replacing an engine...


User currently offlinePipoA380 From Switzerland, joined May 2005, 1594 posts, RR: 51
Reply 20, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 7047 times:

Quoting Augustrg (Reply 14):
Wouldn't they have to dump fuel before landing?

No, I think it's the right choice they made. Even if an engine burns out, it's safe to land the plane quickly. A fire on a plane is never a good idea when you're flying, you need to be able to land quick if the situation gets out of hand. Going up to 10'000 plus above sea would have taken the 340 too far away from any landing strip in case of emergency.

SR111's mistakes showed us one thing: when anything burns, you'd better hurry up and land the plane, no matter what the weight.

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User currently offlineCHRISBA777ER From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5964 posts, RR: 62
Reply 21, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 6860 times:

LHR - KWI isnt even half the range of an A340 - dunno what the loads were like but she may have been not that far above max landing weight.


What do you mean you dont have any bourbon? Do you know how far it is to Houston? What kind of airline is this???
User currently offlineLordg From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 31 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 6433 times:

Quoting Chuchoteur (Reply 19):
Dumping fuel over london would NOT be appreciated by the local residents

with fuel prices, i'de be happy to get out my funnel and can!!!!
 silly 



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User currently offlineHARLEYF150 From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 70 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 6146 times:

Actual aircraft involved was

ACARS mode: 1 Aircraft reg: 9K-ANB [Airbus A340]
Message label: ** Block id: @ Msg no: 02e3
Flight id: KU0102 [JFK-LHR-KWI] [Kuwait Airways]
----------------------------------------------------------[ 11/10/2006 09:49 ]-


User currently offlineZeke From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2006, 9229 posts, RR: 76
Reply 24, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 5848 times:

Quoting ANITIX87 (Reply 13):
Not in an A340, it can barely climb with four! Haha. Only kidding.

Some good photos of a 340 taking off after a engine failure after V1 on this link
http://www.flightforum.ch/forum/showthread.php?t=26895

Performance looks pretty good to me. Quads are certified to have a better climb performance than a twin with one engine out.



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25 B7878 : Yeah right. Mother nature.
26 ANITIX87 : It's unfortunate that in this business we usually learn things the hard way, through mistakes and tragedies. Very good that the crew of this aircraft
27 Post contains images Leezyjet : If the situation is serious enough, then you would dump fuel immediately no matter what the height. The residents I'm sure would appreciate a good Je
28 RJ111 : Doesn't most of the dumped fuel vaporise anyway? Probably depends on height.
29 Post contains images Leezyjet : Depends on the height, thats why it usually takes place over 10,000ft.
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