QFSYD744 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 7382 times:
The sad thing is that this route doesnt have the legs to stand on. Air China, has a very low level of service, lower than Alitalia and Olympic if one remembers correctly. In addition Air China, is going to fight with Iberia on MAD-GRU? That is suicide. This route wont last long!
CY319 From Cyprus, joined Apr 2006, 396 posts, RR: 12
Reply 6, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 7120 times:
Quoting Kesflyer (Reply 4): Rumour I have heard here and there is a new flight to ATH.
Greece and China signed a bilateral not longtime ago. this agreement concerns the air link of ATH with PEK and HKG.
OA is the designated carrier for the ATH-HKG route while CA is the one for the ATH-PEK route.
in fact, OA will launce the ATH-HKG route in late October: 3 times a week with 343s. OA has further code-sharing agreements with KA for the Chinese destinations and with CX for other Far Eastern cities.
LipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11459 posts, RR: 58
Reply 7, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 7072 times:
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Quoting 777way (Thread starter): Air China are planning to start twice weekly service Beijing-Madrid-Sao Paulo with a 767-300ER around mid December, any one know of this?
No request has been made to ANAC yet and no one announcement on Brazil. Considering the bilateral, it's a possible flight. But in the past they flew Beijing-Frankfurt / Frankfurt-Sao Paulo or Frankfurt-GIG using RG flights.
New York + Rio de Janeiro = One of the best combinations !
PEK18R36L From China, joined Dec 2005, 107 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 7015 times:
Quoting Wunderk (Reply 3): This reminds me of Air China briefly tried Hong Kong-London in the late 1990s. Competing against Cathay Pacific, British Airways and Virgin. What was Air China thinking?
As the national carrier of a nation focused on its own face and global influence, Air China frequently becomes a tool of politics.
The rationale behind the HKG-LHR flight was, I understand, a matter of face, a stake in the ground. It was a way of saying "hey, look, this (Hong Kong) is OURS now, and so our national carrier can fly from Hong Kong to anyplace." If you will recall, this was also a period of time where CA became quite deeply vested in HKG, and thought it would be interesting to see if they could build a niche in that already crowded route - possibly with lower fares than CX, BA, and VS. Once that niche failed to materialize, the gentlemen running CA could go to the Mandarins, hat in hand, and say "sirs, we are sorry, but that route appears to be too competitive, and we really need the planes elsewhere." The state leadership will assent to a record of losses, but they'll never believe a study in advance.
The Madrid and Sao Paulo routes, if true, are likely driven significantly by political pressure from the MFA. There is a big push from a foreign policy standpoint to strengthen ties with Russia, India, and Brazil, and a Sao Paulo flight would play right into that. CA may also see an opportunity with Varig's apparent implosion, but I think international relations is the real pusher.
The Madrid routing of the flight mystifies me a bit, until you start talking with travel agents, who are saying that there is a growing demand among the newly prosperous Chinese for direct frequencies to countries on the north side of the Med so as to make trips of 4-7 days to those destinations more logistically viable. This would also make the ATH flight more understandable.
In China, everything is possible - but nothing is easy.
B2443 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 703 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 6681 times:
Quoting QFSYD744 (Reply 1): The sad thing is that this route doesnt have the legs to stand on. Air China, has a very low level of service, lower than Alitalia and Olympic if one remembers correctly. In addition Air China, is going to fight with Iberia on MAD-GRU? That is suicide. This route wont last long!
Well, you'll have to take the Chinese tourist into account. So what if CA couldn't pick up pax at MAD (not even sure if they are allowed to)? There will be plenty of Chinese who are interested to go sight-seeing in Rio or to do business in Sao Paulo. The Chinese airlines are profittable on their China-European routes. Would you think the profits came from pax originated in Europe? Think not.
Humberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4927 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 6376 times:
Quoting B2443 (Reply 12): So what if CA couldn't pick up pax at MAD (not even sure if they are allowed to)? There will be plenty of Chinese who are interested to go sight-seeing in Rio or to do business in Sao Paulo.
Does anyone know if CA have 5th freedom between MAD and GRU?