QFSYD744 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 1, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 4800 times:
The sad thing is that this route doesnt have the legs to stand on. Air China, has a very low level of service, lower than Alitalia and Olympic if one remembers correctly. In addition Air China, is going to fight with Iberia on MAD-GRU? That is suicide. This route wont last long!
RAFVC10 From Spain, joined Sep 2005, 1980 posts, RR: 7 Reply 2, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 4780 times:
First notice that I have, 777way.
Maybe will be a mistake. See the code-share flights with LH. The CA flights are always empty meanwhile the LH flights are full.
CA offers a net rate from Spain to China in Business rate from 1500.00 Euros (one way and return). LH offers this rate from 3200.00 Euros.
Will be a great idea to code-share its flights with UX that is flying with 330 twice a week and now that the spanish airline will start flights to GIG.
Mmmmmhhhh. No way to this plan.
Regards,
Gerard
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Wunderk From Canada, joined Jun 2003, 98 posts, RR: 0 Reply 3, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 4589 times:
This reminds me of Air China briefly tried Hong Kong-London in the late 1990s. Competing against Cathay Pacific, British Airways and Virgin. What was Air China thinking?
6thfreedom From Bermuda, joined Sep 2004, 3267 posts, RR: 22 Reply 5, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 4545 times:
Quoting Kesflyer (Reply 4): Rumour I have heard here and there is a new flight to ATH.
Apparently politicians from China and Greece have been trying to negotiate such a flight.
The other rumour was OA commencing ATH-HKG. Is this still on the cards??
Given the CX/CA/KA grouping, I think CA is better off working within these, and perhaps codesharing on the OA metal over HKG.
CY319 From Greece, joined Apr 2006, 391 posts, RR: 13 Reply 6, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 4538 times:
Quoting Kesflyer (Reply 4): Rumour I have heard here and there is a new flight to ATH.
correct!
Greece and China signed a bilateral not longtime ago. this agreement concerns the air link of ATH with PEK and HKG.
OA is the designated carrier for the ATH-HKG route while CA is the one for the ATH-PEK route.
in fact, OA will launce the ATH-HKG route in late October: 3 times a week with 343s. OA has further code-sharing agreements with KA for the Chinese destinations and with CX for other Far Eastern cities.
LipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11201 posts, RR: 61 Reply 7, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 4490 times:
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Quoting 777way (Thread starter): Air China are planning to start twice weekly service Beijing-Madrid-Sao Paulo with a 767-300ER around mid December, any one know of this?
No request has been made to ANAC yet and no one announcement on Brazil. Considering the bilateral, it's a possible flight. But in the past they flew Beijing-Frankfurt / Frankfurt-Sao Paulo or Frankfurt-GIG using RG flights.
Felipe
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PEK18R36L From China, joined Dec 2005, 107 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 4433 times:
Quoting Wunderk (Reply 3): This reminds me of Air China briefly tried Hong Kong-London in the late 1990s. Competing against Cathay Pacific, British Airways and Virgin. What was Air China thinking?
As the national carrier of a nation focused on its own face and global influence, Air China frequently becomes a tool of politics.
The rationale behind the HKG-LHR flight was, I understand, a matter of face, a stake in the ground. It was a way of saying "hey, look, this (Hong Kong) is OURS now, and so our national carrier can fly from Hong Kong to anyplace." If you will recall, this was also a period of time where CA became quite deeply vested in HKG, and thought it would be interesting to see if they could build a niche in that already crowded route - possibly with lower fares than CX, BA, and VS. Once that niche failed to materialize, the gentlemen running CA could go to the Mandarins, hat in hand, and say "sirs, we are sorry, but that route appears to be too competitive, and we really need the planes elsewhere." The state leadership will assent to a record of losses, but they'll never believe a study in advance.
The Madrid and Sao Paulo routes, if true, are likely driven significantly by political pressure from the MFA. There is a big push from a foreign policy standpoint to strengthen ties with Russia, India, and Brazil, and a Sao Paulo flight would play right into that. CA may also see an opportunity with Varig's apparent implosion, but I think international relations is the real pusher.
The Madrid routing of the flight mystifies me a bit, until you start talking with travel agents, who are saying that there is a growing demand among the newly prosperous Chinese for direct frequencies to countries on the north side of the Med so as to make trips of 4-7 days to those destinations more logistically viable. This would also make the ATH flight more understandable.
David
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Carnoc From China, joined Oct 2001, 875 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 4287 times:
Confirmed news...
Effective from December 10, 2006, Air China will fly between Beijing and Sao Paulo via Madrid twice a week with the new services to be operated by a Boeing 767 aircraft.
Cedars747 From Norway, joined Dec 2005, 2686 posts, RR: 23 Reply 11, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 4220 times:
Well i was searching for something new to add to my list of Airlines on that route.I guess my next trip to South America will be onboard CA B767 to GRU than Gol to EZE
10x for the news
Alex!!!
B2443 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 681 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 4099 times:
Quoting QFSYD744 (Reply 1): The sad thing is that this route doesnt have the legs to stand on. Air China, has a very low level of service, lower than Alitalia and Olympic if one remembers correctly. In addition Air China, is going to fight with Iberia on MAD-GRU? That is suicide. This route wont last long!
Well, you'll have to take the Chinese tourist into account. So what if CA couldn't pick up pax at MAD (not even sure if they are allowed to)? There will be plenty of Chinese who are interested to go sight-seeing in Rio or to do business in Sao Paulo. The Chinese airlines are profittable on their China-European routes. Would you think the profits came from pax originated in Europe? Think not.
Humberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4901 posts, RR: 5 Reply 15, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 3794 times:
Quoting B2443 (Reply 12): So what if CA couldn't pick up pax at MAD (not even sure if they are allowed to)? There will be plenty of Chinese who are interested to go sight-seeing in Rio or to do business in Sao Paulo.
Does anyone know if CA have 5th freedom between MAD and GRU?
SKY1 From Spain, joined Apr 2006, 843 posts, RR: 4 Reply 17, posted (6 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 3336 times:
Quoting Avianca (Reply 13): I am sure, I even see the flights in sooner future going daily
I like your optimism, but I'm not pretty sure to say such thing. Well, we wait and see. If LipeGIG is right with the 5th freedom rights (Spain has something to say about it, anyway) It could help.
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