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UA To Start ORD-AMS, Drop ORD-HNL  
User currently offlineORD From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 1384 posts, RR: 1
Posted (14 years 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3236 times:

Effective 2.15.01, United will begin daily nonstop service from Chicago to Amsterdam. The flight will operate using a 767-300 aircraft.

Also on that date, United will discontinue its daily flight from Chicago to Honolulu as the DC-10 used on the route will be retired.

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User currently offlineContinentalEWR From United States of America, joined May 2000, 3762 posts, RR: 13
Reply 1, posted (14 years 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3165 times:

Why on earth is UA dropping HNL? Just because the DC10-30 is being retired?
That's nonsense. The 767-300ER has the range to make the flight, as does a
777. Why would they drop this route? Are you sure?


User currently offlinePurdue Arrow From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1574 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (14 years 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3161 times:

Looks to be true... a flight search on United's website shows no sign of a nonstop ORD-HNL flight after 2/14/00. Looks like Valentine's Day will be not only the alst chance to fly UA's DC-10, but the last chance to fly UA nonstop from ORD to HNL. The United website does list American's service from HNL, to be operated by a 767-300, so Chicago will still have HNL service.

User currently offlineUprightnlocked From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 123 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (14 years 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3140 times:

I highly doubt that UAL will drop its ORD-HNL service. That flight (sometimes multiple flights per day) is always sold out. They are probably have not committed an a/c type to that route. Expect to see a 2-class 777 on that route - with a 742 during "peak" season.

User currently offlineThe777Man From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 6607 posts, RR: 55
Reply 4, posted (14 years 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3127 times:

Uprgihtandlocked, you better believe it; ORD-HNL will be dropped effective 15Feb01. UA did indicate that they may restart it in the future. UA will also add a third SFO-OGG flight. The777Man


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User currently offlineUprightnlocked From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 123 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (14 years 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3115 times:

The777Man - You will not see a disruption in service on the ORD-HNL route. I bet they are not releasing their schedule in an attempt to "surprise" AA with the a/c on that route. AA will be switching to the 767 and do not have enought 777's to utilize on the route. UA can use a 777 or a 747 and "steal" the market from AA. Or, I could be wrong. Time will tell....

User currently offlineLv2fly368 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (14 years 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3121 times:

I would tend to think that AA won't be suprised at all. No matter what UA does, I think American has no intention of doing any a/c changes on that route. I don't know. Time will tell ...

User currently offlineEVA744 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (14 years 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3110 times:

Look for United to re-start this route soon.

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User currently offlineMEL From Canada, joined Oct 1999, 1099 posts, RR: 13
Reply 8, posted (14 years 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3055 times:

It seems really strange that UA would just drop a route that is consistently oversold to the max on a 290 seat DC-10. A two-class domestic 777 would be perfect for the route. I don't think AA has any two-class 777s yet, maybe this is why they are only deploying a domestic 763 on the route, though I could be wrong. A 3-class 777 on the route isn't ideal.


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User currently offlineDesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7792 posts, RR: 16
Reply 9, posted (14 years 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 3007 times:

This is really quite simple. Hawaii flights are notoriously low yield. Mostly tourist traffic on redemmed FF miles or super saver tickets. Why dedicate one 767 or 777 that would be flying all day on a low yield flight when you can put that same 767 or 777 on a high yield flight like ORD-AMS (which will be full of high ticket price paying business pax). Plus UA has been building up additional flights to Hawaii from LAX and SFO.


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