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Delta Becomes US Launch Customer For 777-200LR  
User currently offlineLeelaw From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 18643 times:

Delta Air Lines has become the US launch customer for Boeing’s 777-200LR.

The US major confirms that the carrier will take delivery of two General Electric GE90-powered ultra long range widebodies in early 2008. The two -200LRs are converted from a 777-200ER order previously placed with Boeing...


http://www.flightglobal.com/Articles...US+launch+customer+for+Boeing.html

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User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8090 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 18495 times:
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Great pair for Delta but where will they use them, which ocean will they cross? Atlanta nonstop to South Africa could be a path to blaze with them.

User currently offlineDL787932ER From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 597 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 18418 times:

Finally, an "official" press statement for all those who wouldn't believe multiple statements by the COO and acknowledgement of the order in other press releases  biggrin 

I'll have to try to get on the first long-haul revenue flight and experience the new lie-flat suites...I'm rooting for ATL-SYD or JFK-SYD  crossfingers  though I know other routes are more likely first.



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User currently offlineAirMailer From United States of America, joined May 2006, 462 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 18370 times:

Well at least we can finally put this argument to rest.... (except for those people that won't believe that this is an actual press release.)

(That was in reference to something someone said in the posts about the lie-flat BizEliete seats.)


User currently offlineDelta787 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 321 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 18258 times:

Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 1):
Great pair for Delta but where will they use them, which ocean will they cross?

The first route they will likely fly is JFK-BOM, since it will be weight restricted using an ER.



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User currently offlineRJ111 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 18189 times:

Granted i haven't looked at this case in much depth (and please show me the light if necessary), but from a glance, i really have to question the logic behind this. Unless they're planning on ordering more, I have trouble seeing how introducing say one daily route justifies adding a whole new engine type. And a pretty big and complex one at that.

User currently offlineBAW716 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 2026 posts, RR: 27
Reply 6, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 18167 times:

I agree with Delta787. Since the flight operation will require two aircraft (unless it operates less than daily), the pair of aircraft will be put there.

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User currently offlineRwSEA From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 3068 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 18127 times:

Quoting DL787932ER (Reply 2):
I'm rooting for ATL-SYD or JFK-SYD though I know other routes are more likely first.

I don't think the 777LR has the range to do either of those routes.

I would put my $$ on JFK-BOM, with the existing 772ER going to ATL-PEK (if they secure the rights). The backup choice, IMO, would be ATL-JNB nonstop.


User currently offlineWdleiser From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 961 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 18069 times:

Congrats to Delta and Boeing!

User currently offlineAirCop From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 18070 times:

Only two?? Sounds like to me these birds will only fly one route whatever that may be.

User currently offlineRIHNOSAUR From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 362 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 18072 times:

cool,

I have to say that the 777 200LR is my favourite Boeing plane...never been on one, but hope to some day.

Quoting DL787932ER (Reply 2):
I'm rooting for ATL-SYD or JFK-SYD

that would be amazing...what a 20+ hours trip???..sign me up!!!.man I would love to be on that flight!!

cheers



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User currently offlineMPDPilot From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 986 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 17913 times:

Quoting RwSEA (Reply 7):
I don't think the 777LR has the range to do either of those routes.

The 777LR does have the range for atleast ATL-SYD, but JFK-SYD was like right on the edge of range if I recall correctly.



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User currently offlineBA319-131 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 8430 posts, RR: 55
Reply 12, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 17885 times:
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Quoting RJ111 (Reply 5):
Granted i haven't looked at this case in much depth (and please show me the light if necessary), but from a glance, i really have to question the logic behind this. Unless they're planning on ordering more, I have trouble seeing how introducing say one daily route justifies adding a whole new engine type. And a pretty big and complex one at that.

- I have to agree.

These are very expensive planes, were they put on the BOM route, will that provide the return to justify the aircraft? - I question that.



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User currently offlineWorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 17821 times:

Remember that DL still has 3 other 777 firm orders for delivery in early 2009 plus 2 options so it is very likely that there will be at least 5 LRs and possibly 7.

DL is selling the full capacity of the 777ER in/out of BOM so they are not planning on passenger payload restrictions. There may be limits on cargo but it always makes sense for a passenger airline to carry passengers rather than cargo.

DL does have some aggressive growth plans for long and ultra longhaul aircraft from ATL, JFK, and LAX to Asia and from ATL and JFK to Africa and the Middle East. The real question is how many LRs DL will take now which will determine how many routes it starts using them vs. waiting for the 787 which will be smaller, more fuel efficient, and better suited for developing new markets. There are markets where the LR is the only plane that will work but there are a lot more than could work easily with a 787, making it worth waiting a year or two for them to be delivered. (and it is almost certain that DL will order the 787).


User currently offlineSupa7E7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 17822 times:

Quoting BA319-131 (Reply 12):
These are very expensive planes, were they put on the BOM route, will that provide the return to justify the aircraft? - I question that.

They can't run a uniquely 777LR route with only 2. If one breaks, you have no substitute aircraft to maintain the daily flight.

JFK-BOM, you can substitute a 777ER in a pinch. Either this, or they will order more LRs. One or the other!


User currently offlineAirMailer From United States of America, joined May 2006, 462 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 17748 times:

Quoting RJ111 (Reply 5):
Granted i haven't looked at this case in much depth (and please show me the light if necessary), but from a glance, i really have to question the logic behind this. Unless they're planning on ordering more, I have trouble seeing how introducing say one daily route justifies adding a whole new engine type. And a pretty big and complex one at that.

It's only 2, and their new.
DL has quite a bit of experience with GE engines.
DL just scaled down from something like 16 different aircraft types (and some of those types had more than one engine type) to just 10 now.

I'm sure that they can handle 4 engines.... after all DL currently has 1,216 engines in service and I have no idea how many spares.

Worst case scenario couldn't DL outsource this maintenance work to AM?


User currently offlineDeltaDAWG From United States of America, joined May 2006, 743 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 17663 times:

Where the first one goes is going to depend on loads and profitability on the new routes. My money is on JFK-BOM as some have said earlier with JNB to follow. However, I believe there is a long-term goal here of an East Coast US to mainland China and even Hong Kong. The next stage for DL is Asia with the most likely candidates being Beijing, Hong Kong, Sydney then Kuala Lumpur I believe.

In any respect glad to see it.

Just my $.02



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User currently offlineWillyj From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 468 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 17614 times:

Someone mentioned on another post that this is just the first order. They are only switching a previous order for 772ers to 777LRs. As they are still reorganizing they are not allowed to make new aircraft orders, so most likely they will order more frames once they are out of bankruptcy. Obviously 2 planes is not a very efficient fleet for an airline DL's size to maintain.

User currently offlineWorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 17469 times:

It is entirely possible that DL could change its China route request to Shanghai if AA or UA gets PEK. Only if CO gets PVG would DL’s PEK route still make sense. If DL goes for PVG, the LR makes more sense although an ER could do it.

What DL does with LRs will be somewhat answered by DL’s route announcements in the next few weeks (possibly hours) that could involve some 777s. If DL fully deploys its existing ER fleet by next summer, then additional LRs are very likely since DL would have to have more 777s in order to start China and then do any other growth beyond that.


User currently offlinePanamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4792 posts, RR: 25
Reply 19, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 17359 times:
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Well the next few months' performance should be indicative of whether the LR is still needed on JFK-BOM. If the 772ER performs fine on the westbound run with a full load of passengers (and looking at the advance bookings, there will be many days of 90-100% loads in the next few months), you may see the 772ER continuing to ply JFK-BOM as any incremental cargo that an LR may allow DL to carry may not be worth it, especially if there are other route opportunities that would truly require the LR.

User currently offlineWorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 17129 times:

And if JFKBOM does well, it's entirely possible DL could do ATLBOM which would require an LR, providing the ability to carry cargo.

User currently offlineDL787932ER From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 597 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 17052 times:

Quoting RwSEA (Reply 7):
I don't think the 777LR has the range to do either of those routes.

ATL-SYD is 8068nm and JFK-SYD is 8646nm, both well below Boeing's stated still-air range of 9410nm. Granted, allowance has to be made for winds, weather, etc., but Boeing lists both JFK-SIN (200nm farther than ATL-SYD) and ORD-SYD (just 40nm shorter) as "typical city pairs".

Quoting RwSEA (Reply 7):
I would put my $$ on JFK-BOM, with the existing 772ER going to ATL-PEK (if they secure the rights). The backup choice, IMO, would be ATL-JNB nonstop.

Seems unnecessary as long as the JFK-BOM can make it both ways nonstop with a full load, which it appears DL is selling. It will really come down to what is most important first; I can see a use for at least 10 772LRs for DL in the 2008-2010 time frame. For now all DL will do in bankruptcy is convert their existing orders; delivery schedules for any new orders will depend on what's open in Boeing's build schedule as of early next year.



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User currently offlineRwSEA From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 3068 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 16882 times:

Quoting DL787932ER (Reply 21):
Quoting RwSEA (Reply 7):
I would put my $$ on JFK-BOM, with the existing 772ER going to ATL-PEK (if they secure the rights). The backup choice, IMO, would be ATL-JNB nonstop.

Seems unnecessary as long as the JFK-BOM can make it both ways nonstop with a full load, which it appears DL is selling. It will really come down to what is most important first; I can see a use for at least 10 772LRs for DL in the 2008-2010 time frame. For now all DL will do in bankruptcy is convert their existing orders; delivery schedules for any new orders will depend on what's open in Boeing's build schedule as of early next year.

Thing is, if DL gets the China rights that they want, they'll already be fully maxed out on 777's if the rumors of them adding ICN/DXB come true. In that case, they'll have to shift the 777ER's used on JFK-BOM to ATL-PEK in order to have the aircraft availability (they would be replaced by the 777LR). Of course, they could always go for PVG instead of PEK, on which they could then use the 777LR if they were to go that way.

Thanks for the info on ATL-SYD. If it is sustainable year-round, I could see them go for that with some of their first 777LR's.


User currently offlineWorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 16836 times:

I believe SQ said they would be getting rid of some of its non-ER 777s in the next couple years and I expect they are in very good shape. Not sure where they are going.

And while DL might not take any PW powered 777s, they might end up with them when they acquire Pan Am - I mean United's transpacific routes in a couple years.  Smile

Also, DL's bankruptcy documents show that Comair and GE owed each other money as of the date of DL/OH's bankruptcy filing. The parties recently settled, leaving Comair with a credit from GE worth about $8 million. The credit can be transferred to Delta who might have just paid for the 1st GE90 for its first LR.


User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16345 posts, RR: 86
Reply 24, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 16784 times:

Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 13):
There may be limits on cargo but it always makes sense for a passenger airline to carry passengers rather than cargo.

I actually don't agree... depends on the cargo.

Quoting Willyj (Reply 17):
As they are still reorganizing they are not allowed to make new aircraft order

I don't see any reason why not. Every other bankrupt carrier has ordered something or other.

Quoting DL787932ER (Reply 21):
ATL-SYD is 8068nm and JFK-SYD is 8646nm, both well below Boeing's stated still-air range of 9410nm

That range of 9410nm is with 3 tanks. I don't think they'll order 3 tanks.

NS


25 1337Delta764 : I really hope that mood lighting on the new aircraft. I once saw a photo of a demo aircraft with mood lighting. BTW, isn't mood lighting being install
26 Stitch : All of SQ's 777-200s are the ER model.
27 SLCUT2777 : I'm glad this has reached the "firming" stage since I was getting sick and tired of Delta Naysayers saying; "The 772LR is much to costly for DL!" Wel
28 WorldTraveler : your right... several Asian carriers (along w/ others) have nonER 772s but SQ was not one of them....thought I had seen that....thanks of course the h
29 Post contains images Jacobin777 : damn right..the -200LR ROCKS.. So far, only PK has both -200LR's in service....and if things go right, I'll be flying YYZ-KHI soon enough on one of t
30 Highflyer9790 : JFK-SYD = 8646 nm 777LR Range= 9,420 nautical miles (17,446 km) Typical city pairs: New York-Singapore Perth-London New York-Auckland Chicago-Sydney
31 MCOflyer : I'm guessing 5LR's are comming online in 2008-2010. I guess Boeing gave DL some big discounts if they were the first US airline to order it. Also, as
32 Post contains images Alitalia744 : well, good news, coupled with the destinations announced tonight/tomorrow and the news three weeks from now and it's exciting times for Delta Air Line
33 Gemuser : Why? You want Delta to stay in bankruptcy longer? US-Oz routes wont make money for Delta, for a number of reasons including the fact they have NO fee
34 Alitalia744 : No? Tell that to QF who fly to JFK as well as all of the pax flying CO, US, DL, AA, NW, UA to LAX to connect to a QF/NZ/UA flight to the land down un
35 QFSYD744 : If your statement were true Qantas would not be serving JFK, nor would Qantas be code-sharing with American Airlines to the East Coast.
36 Ikramerica : My guess is that DL is getting the LR for the same price as they negotiated for the ER. With DL in BK, they could go to Boeing and cancel the orders
37 WorldTraveler : When you stretch a network as far as DL does, there will be mechanical delays - but there are today on DL's network. When DL experiences a cancellatio
38 SparkingWave : Ha ha. That was a hilarious comment.
39 Post contains images Cricket : I'm pretty much sure that the first LR's will be sent on an India sector, which will be a good thing!
40 Gemuser : Now you are both being silly! While I could be wrong, it won't be for any of the reasons listed by either of you. QF fly to JFK 5 times a week, load
41 LY777 : maybe those 777-200LR will fly to TLV
42 SR100 : Is the wording "launch" costumer correct? Usually launch costumer means, that this costumer is among those airlines ordering the new product at the ve
43 Post contains images Stitch : That is why they used the term "US launch customer" - they are the first US operator to launch the plane. And please, let's not turn this thread in a
44 Jfk777 : Atlanta to Sydney would be very interesting indeed. Delta seems to be headed for a sizeable fleet of new generation 777's.
45 Post contains images Malmoaviation : Great! Can't wait to see the 772LR in DL colors
46 Tigerotor77W : Awesome! Wonder if the 777-200LR will be the same type of comeback-kid that its larger sibling has proven to be...
47 RJ777 : Wonder if a new COlor Scheme will accompany the 777LRs.
48 JAL : Would be curious to know where they will be deployed!
49 Post contains links Zeke : [Rant] I am sure the pilots of these aircraft are not too thrilled to see their pension fund that they worked for being taken away from them, and then
50 CcrlR : Hmmmm. I think this is something AA would be pretty suited for. Mabye they can try JFK-ATL-AKL with it. I can't wait to see these 777's!
51 Post contains links DAYflyer : Here is an interesting tidbit I ran into reagrding this today: Delta Air Lines Inc. (DALRQ : Delta Air Lines, Inc. said Thursday it plans to operate f
52 DAL767400ER : No chance. Would be a waste of the plane's capabilities. Doubtful. Grinstein is no friend of introducing a new livery, and neither are Whitehurst or
53 Dalb777 : Slightly off topic, but any chance DL would order any 777-300ER's? Although I would love to see a DL 773ER, I think chances are slim, but what do y'al
54 DAL767400ER : Would love to see that, but don't see it happening, as DL just doesn't have the markets for that plane. Those longhaul markets that already see multi
55 Airbazar : I'm guessing the newly announced ATL-DXB will be a good candidate for it.
56 BAW716 : Jacobin777, You got that right!!! The LR is like an ER on steroids. I've seen the LR at Boeing Field take off at light weight (less than 3000 feet for
57 Glom : How will this be logged in the order book? Will we see an order for 2 777 from DL for this year along with a "change" of -2? I see from the reports th
58 DAL767400ER : Delta never actually intended to only order such a small number of 777s, as the 13 was only the starting number, combined with a total of 60+ options
59 Dank : If DL does that as the first route I'd seriously have to question their management. I'm not convinced that for any airline, let alone an airline that
60 777STL : It wouldn't be QF since they're already allied with AA and AS. DJ is already aligned with UA and NZ is a *A carrier. Who else is there? I do think th
61 Panamair : JFK-BOM which DL is starting Nov 1 is even longer than ATL-DXB; the former is 6,777 nm while ATL-DXB is 6,604 nm.
62 RJ777 : Wonder when this is going to show up on Boeing's site!?
63 Okie73 : thats not true at all. There was a pay dispute, and the company threatened to get rid of the two 777s on property and cancel the rest, but it never h
64 DAL767400ER : The point was to why DL never placed firm orders for more than 13 777s.
65 Okie73 : I submit to you 9/11 and Delta's subsequent financial troubles had more to do with not ordering more 777s than did the pay dispute.
66 Post contains images Jacobin777 : Would love to see the "Worldliner" livery colours with a DL tail..that would rock.. When the -200LR took off from SFO...it COMPLETELY looked like it
67 Baron95 : Ikramerica is absolutely right here - everybody keeps talking about 9000nm routes. That is not the reason for ordering the 200LR. If you want to fly
68 Ikramerica : While 13 jets is more than I personally own, it's not exactly sizable, especially for an airline the size of DL.
69 WorldTraveler : I don't think you'll see DL with more than about 7 LRs. They don't need that many planes with that kind of range. DL will undoubtedly have the 787 and
70 Jfk777 : Mumbai and Dubai may be only the tip of the LR iceburg. Today we don't know how many ultra haul flights DL has up its sleve. Certain flying to South A
71 WorldTraveler : Yes, but few of them need an LR. The 787 is an ULH aircraft and more cost efficient. DL is ordering the LR because it is available now, because DL has
72 Airbazar : Only by a hair. They're both good candidate for the aircraft but DXB and ATL are much hotter and more hummid than BOM and JFK which means the 772ER w
73 DAL767400ER : Say, when did Emirates start DXB-ATL?
74 WorldTraveler : We'll see but I have a feeling that just like an aweful lot of posts on this forum, DL will do just fine on the ATLDXB route financially and operation
75 AirCanada014 : Pakistan Airlines was the launch customer for LR and AC follows the 2nd launch customer since they are next in line for production am I right? Also A
76 Boeing Nut : Actually, this route could be done without any aux tanks as range for that configuration is 8,800 nm. Can't remember which document I read that on th
77 SLCUT2777 : "North America" is correct and you can add to that "Western Hemisphere" since I don't believe any Latin American carriers operate any 772LRs as of ye
78 Gigneil : This is the attitude that is putting airlines out of business. Delta needs new equipment to increase both revenue and earnings, which will better the
79 Airbazar : They don't. I was referring to non-stop competition between the US and Dubai. EK is the only carrier offering a non-stop flight between the US and Du
80 777ER : Way to go Boeing and DL. Could there be any more plans for extra 200LRs?
81 Supa7E7 : Yes. The 777LR will serve pretty much India, China, possibly Africa. Otherwise the 787 will be DL's workhorse, fulfilling 772ER missions and 763ER mi
82 WorldTraveler : The reason why DL would use the LR to S. Africa, if they do, would be because they would have a significant advantage over South African Airways who d
83 Ikramerica : Well, I don't think it's that they don't want to convert them, but that DL can't commit to a new type right now while in BK. To convert them to a 787
84 WorldTraveler : Creditors don't care whether DL buys 787s or 777LRs. They care about how much money DL is spending and when they spend it. DL could order any acceptab
85 Hamlet69 : Ok, why do you follow up this logical, reasonable argument with this?: Why is it your opinion that Boeing won't let DL convert their remaining 777 or
86 777ER : Its better that Boeing kill the B777 then have Airbus kill it with their A350 Aye, when did that happen?
87 Post contains links Hamlet69 : http://www.newairplane.com/787/en-US/whosFlyingThe787/GarudaIndonesia
88 Zeke : The money belonged to the pilots, not DL, they have effectively stole from their employees. The employees did the work, they should receive the agree
89 Jacobin777 : In the end, the employees understood that its better to have a job with less benefits than to not have a job at all or start from the bottom of the "
90 Ikramerica : I don't know where he gets that idea from. 777 slots are scarce, and if DL needed to defer and change to the 787, Boeing would JUMP on that, as it wo
91 WorldTraveler : No... all the money belongs to DL. They pay the pilots and every other employee what they want to... not the other way around. DL pilots were paid WA
92 Widebodyphotog : Base range with 301 pax in still air is ~8,950nm without ACT and ~9,700nm with three ACT. The reason those 5,550USG does not improve range with desig
93 Ikramerica : That was what I and Hamlet agreed with. But THEN you said Boeing wouldn't let DL convert them to 787s. Nothing at all to do with when they could get
94 WorldTraveler : because DL does hold firm delivery options for 5 777s and 2 more options in 2008 and 2009. Boeing isn't interested in letting DL defer orders any fur
95 Dank : While Boeing would be happy to have the money now (as in the next couple of years), I am sure that they would gladly defer if DL said that they were
96 Widebodyphotog : Yes as has reference range for 777-300ER to 7,940nm. The ACT work for and against the range performance of 777-200LR. Range increase is quite linear
97 Tsnamm : Most Passenger airlines make a profit on flight segments due to cargo and mail revenues carried along with the passenger load...many flights that wou
98 WorldTraveler : I absolutely believe that cargo is a significant contributor to flight profitability. But passenger airlines cannot make money on flights that do not
99 Widebodyphotog : Not necessarily entirely due to cargo but just about anywhere out of China/Japan/Asia to the US and Europe belly cargo adds significant margin to rev
100 Dank : I think that you are confusing an airline's overall business strategy and a route by route business strategy. For an individual flight, it may be mor
101 WorldTraveler : Without route specifics, we’re talking in generalities without any facts to back anything up. Yes, it is true that in SOME cases, cargo can be more
102 Dank : You asserted before that this is never the case. I was simply stating that it isn't an always situation. But yes, by and large, most routes most days
103 WorldTraveler : we are both speculating since neither of us has any firm evidence. Boeing does realize that BK is not a cure all for airlines and it is entirely possi
104 Dank : You stated that: I certainly feel that there is doubt that the latter is true. Sure this is all speculation. And while there is no doubt in my mind t
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