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User currently offlineMEACEDAR From Lebanon, joined Oct 2006, 753 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 6796 times:

I think that some airlines need to add some more international routes coming out of MCO. In particular, European routes. MCO only has 5 European destinations. They are:

MCO-LGW VS/BA
MCO-AMS MPH
MCO-DUS LTU
MCO-FRA CONDOR
MCO-MAN VS

I might be missing one.

I would really like to see some:
MCO-CDG
MCO-GVA
MCO-FCO
MCO-MXP
MCO-ZRH

I know that it is to much to ask for, but at least MCO-CDG.
What do you think?

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User currently onlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6756 posts, RR: 17
Reply 1, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 6799 times:

Are any of these routes covered via SFB, TPA, or PIE? If so, then they wouldn't necessary need to fly to MCO. And I assume flying into TPA/PIE are just as good since they are only about an hour or less away from Orlando, if I recall correctly?


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User currently offlineQFSYD744 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 6788 times:

Quoting MEACEDAR (Thread starter):
I would really like to see some:
MCO-CDG
MCO-GVA
MCO-FCO
MCO-MXP
MCO-ZRH

MCO-MXP was flown with Eurofly in 2005 using the A330

MCO-ZRH was flown by Bal Air a number of years back with the 763


User currently offlineMEACEDAR From Lebanon, joined Oct 2006, 753 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 6772 times:

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 1):
Are any of these routes covered via SFB, TPA, or PIE? If so, then they wouldn't necessary need to fly to MCO. And I assume flying into TPA/PIE are just as good since they are only about an hour or less away from Orlando, if I recall correctly?

No, the only airport that offers some of these international destinations is Miami, which is around 4 hours away from each airport.


User currently offlineMEACEDAR From Lebanon, joined Oct 2006, 753 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 6772 times:

Quoting QFSYD744 (Reply 2):
MCO-MXP was flown with Eurofly in 2005 using the A330

MCO-ZRH was flown by Bal Air a number of years back with the 763


What about now? Who cares about then?


User currently offlineQFSYD744 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 6753 times:

Quoting MEACEDAR (Reply 4):
What about now? Who cares about then?

You are losing LTU!

Nothing on the horizon, to low yield..


User currently offlineFLVILLA From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2004, 394 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 6734 times:

The problem with MCO and Int'l expansion is that MCO provides too small a market for business class passengers. Which is the main driving factor in an airlines willingness to start a route. MCO is too heavily leisure orientated which will probably fill up the rear of the plane but the front will sit empty or sold at very cheap prices in comparison to other J-class prices to other routes such as MIA.


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User currently offlineMEACEDAR From Lebanon, joined Oct 2006, 753 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 6731 times:

Quoting QFSYD744 (Reply 5):
You are losing LTU!

Really? I didn't know that. Is anyone coming in their place?


User currently offlineMEACEDAR From Lebanon, joined Oct 2006, 753 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 6718 times:

Quoting FLVILLA (Reply 6):
The problem with MCO and Int'l expansion is that MCO provides too small a market for business class passengers. Which is the main driving factor in an airlines willingness to start a route. MCO is too heavily leisure orientated which will probably fill up the rear of the plane but the front will sit empty or sold at very cheap prices in comparison to other J-class prices to other routes such as MIA.

Then why is BA and VS and some of the other airlines I metioned flying to MCO? A business class seat on VS to LGW is the same cost than leaving from MIA.


User currently offlineLegacy135 From Switzerland, joined May 2005, 1052 posts, RR: 26
Reply 9, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 6708 times:

Quoting QFSYD744 (Reply 2):
MCO-ZRH was flown by Bal Air a number of years back with the 763

That is correct. I used to work for Balair from 1987 to 1992. MCO was introduced in April 1991 once weekly on the route ZRH - BGR - MCO v.v. flown with the only A310-322 HB-IPK we used to have those days.

Crew change was in BGR and I was with the first crew, doing the BGR - MCO - BGR turnaround. We all had a Mickey Mouse pin on the uniform and exactly this pin is still hanging here in front of me at the black board, as I am typing this message  Wink .......woaohhhhhhhhh how fast time goes by!

Those flights eventually became nonstop ZRH - MCO on spring 1992, when the newer A310-325's (HB-IPL, IPM & IPN) replaced our DC-10 (HB-IHK) and the older Airbus (HB-IPK). So we could stay then at the Penta Hotel (which became later on a Renaissance) and visit all the parks. I also remember a ZRH - MIA - MCO - ZRH routing, but as I left then the company and wasn't an active crewmember then on those, I also lost the memories how they flew later on. The flights with the 763 were much after my time with the airline. I think, also Edelweiss Air (EDW) did it sometimes ago with their A330.

Cheers
Legacy135 Wink


User currently offlineSQNo1 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2004, 687 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 6694 times:

There will be VS MCO-GLA on behalf of Virgin Holidays next summer too! (I believe it is once weekly). Not forgetting 5x weekly AM flight between MCO and MEX.

With Regards,
Alex.B


User currently offlineMEACEDAR From Lebanon, joined Oct 2006, 753 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 6682 times:

Quoting SQNo1 (Reply 10):
There will be VS MCO-GLA on behalf of Virgin Holidays next summer too! (I believe it is once weekly)

Do you know what type of aircraft they will operate during this route.


User currently offlineAkjetblue From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 790 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 6662 times:

Quoting QFSYD744 (Reply 2):
MCO-MXP was flown with Eurofly in 2005 using the A330

Actually this was announced but never started. Instead I think the aircraft was used on service to and from MIA. Sad, we were very excited but alas can't win 'em all.

Quoting MEACEDAR (Reply 7):
Really? I didn't know that. Is anyone coming in their place?

Nope. So far we've lost Aer Lingus and LTU this year... there was a time when there were a variety of intl carriers serving MCO... those days are gone for a while...



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User currently offlineDazed767 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 5490 posts, RR: 51
Reply 13, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 6662 times:

Quoting QFSYD744 (Reply 2):
MCO-MXP was flown with Eurofly in 2005 using the A330

Hmmm, don't recall that one. Are you sure?

Quoting QFSYD744 (Reply 5):

You are losing LTU!

There is an active thread going on right now about that, nobody coming in their place.

There are plenty of other Intl flights;
AeroMexico
Air Canada
Air Jamaica
Air Transat
Bahamasair
Cayman
Copa
Mexicana
SkyService
and Westjet


User currently offlineMEACEDAR From Lebanon, joined Oct 2006, 753 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 6663 times:

Quoting Akjetblue (Reply 12):
So far we've lost Aer Lingus and LTU this year...

Akjetblue,

What route do you think will help MCO the best?


User currently offlineRichard28 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2003, 1603 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 6638 times:

Quoting MEACEDAR (Reply 8):
Then why is BA and VS and some of the other airlines I metioned flying to MCO? A business class seat on VS to LGW is the same cost than leaving from MIA.

It doesnt.

The lowest price MCO business class fares comes in about £900 cheaper than to MIA on VS.


User currently offlineWorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 6629 times:

MCO-Europe might be a good candidate for DL's all coach (really domestic F configured) 764s even if operated only 3-4 days per week and seasonally. Don't rule it out.

User currently offlineMEACEDAR From Lebanon, joined Oct 2006, 753 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 6620 times:

Quoting Dazed767 (Reply 13):
There are plenty of other Intl flights;
AeroMexico
Air Canada
Air Jamaica
Air Transat
Bahamasair
Cayman
Copa
Mexicana
SkyService
and Westjet

I know, but most of them fly within North America. I would really like to see some European and maybe some Asia routes.

In addition some of the airlines fly to the same place, personally I think that's stupid. For example,

Calgary, Alberta- Air Canada and WestJet
Halifax, Nova Scotia- CanJet
Hamilton, Ontario- WestJet
Montreal, Quebec- Air Canada, WestJet, Air Transat
Ottawa, Ontario- Air Canada, Can Jet, WestJet
Toronto, Ontario- Air Canada, Sky Service, WestJet, Air Transat


User currently offlineMEACEDAR From Lebanon, joined Oct 2006, 753 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 6606 times:

Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 16):
MCO-Europe might be a good candidate for DL's all coach (really domestic F configured) 764s even if operated only 3-4 days per week and seasonally. Don't rule it out.

To where?


User currently offlineQFSYD744 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 6608 times:

Quoting MEACEDAR (Reply 14):
What route do you think will help MCO the best?

American Airlines tried GRU-MCO
TransBrasil tried MCO
Varig tried MCO

Perhaps with all of the new routes to and from South America, Brasil to Orlando can be reviewed again!


User currently offlineRichard28 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2003, 1603 posts, RR: 6
Reply 20, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 6598 times:

Quoting MEACEDAR (Reply 11):
Quoting SQNo1 (Reply 10):
There will be VS MCO-GLA on behalf of Virgin Holidays next summer too! (I believe it is once weekly)

Do you know what type of aircraft they will operate during this route.

23-Jun to 14-Jul VS71 B744 6 (sat) dep 15:45 arr 19:35 Non-Stop 8:50 hrs

07-Jul to 14-Jul VS72 B744 6 (sat) dep 22:35 arr 11:30+1 Non-Stop 7:55 hrs.


User currently offlineMIAMIx707 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 6573 times:

Quoting QFSYD744 (Reply 2):
MCO-MXP was flown with Eurofly in 2005 using the A330

Never, in florida they only flew to MIA for two summer seasons, 2004 and 2005.

Quoting QFSYD744 (Reply 2):
MCO-ZRH was flown by Bal Air a number of years back with the 763

More than 10 years ago, and never with a 767.

Quoting QFSYD744 (Reply 5):
Nothing on the horizon, to low yield..



Quoting MEACEDAR (Reply 8):
Quoting FLVILLA (Reply 6):
The problem with MCO and Int'l expansion is that MCO provides too small a market for business class passengers. Which is the main driving factor in an airlines willingness to start a route. MCO is too heavily leisure orientated which will probably fill up the rear of the plane but the front will sit empty or sold at very cheap prices in comparison to other J-class prices to other routes such as MIA.

Then why is BA and VS and some of the other airlines I metioned flying to MCO? A business class seat on VS to LGW is the same cost than leaving from MIA.

That is what some people not familiar with Orlando like to say. Since MCO used to have plenty of international flights, (some even from national carriers such as Delta) the Orlando area has grown much more and this has become a pretty cosmopolitan city. The diversity of people's here is more diverse than even Miami's. There are bigger businesses that have moved to the area and economically it continues to grow. As far as cargo it's not anywhere as big a market as Miami yes, but besides for the heavyweight UK airlines, the Orlando area is very underserved from Europe and also from South America.

Something tells me the MCO authority hasn't been doing too good of a job luring international carriers. I don't know if it's inept officials or the landing fees are much higher now or what, but with the extra runway (that the airport doesn't really need) and yet another planned terminal (which now seems to be on hold) they might be making the airport much more expensive to operate from than it used to be. All the leisure airlines have moved to SFB, even long-time resident Icelandair has switched.

Quoting Legacy135 (Reply 9):
I think, also Edelweiss Air (EDW) did it sometimes ago with their A330.

To Orlando Sanford, SFB for only about a year. A flight that went ZHR-SFB-CUN-MIA-ZHR.


User currently offlineMEACEDAR From Lebanon, joined Oct 2006, 753 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 6515 times:

What about some Asian destinations like HKG OR NRT?

I only ask this because about a month ago I flew from MCO to LAX. The passengers on flight were all going to NRT from LAX. On the way back I experinced the same thing, all the passengers were going to MCO via LAX from NRT. Why can't we have a non-stop flight between MCO-NRT-MCO, Delta is able to fly from/to ATL from/to NRT. ATL is only about 1 hour and 15 minutes from MCO by air.

MCO really needs to offer more int'l destinations.


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32619 posts, RR: 72
Reply 23, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 6464 times:

Quoting MEACEDAR (Reply 8):

Then why is BA and VS and some of the other airlines I metioned flying to MCO? A business class seat on VS to LGW is the same cost than leaving from MIA.

From MIA, the planes are in a lower density configuration and, in BA's case, offer First Class, which BA does not offer to Orlando (nor Tampa).

Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 21):
The diversity of people's here is more diverse than even miami's.

A simple look at immigration figures from the US census shows that is simply not true. The only community greater than 1,000 that is bigger in Orlando than in Miami is the Vietnamesse community.

http://factfinder.census.gov/servlet...results=01000US&-format=&-_lang=en

The above list is only of native-born, so it doesn't give a real sense of the size of the communities (i.e. a Chinese boy born to Chinese parents in the United States is not counted), but it gives a good idea of the proportions.



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User currently offlinePanAm330 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2669 posts, RR: 9
Reply 24, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 6419 times:

Quoting MEACEDAR (Reply 22):
What about some Asian destinations like HKG OR NRT?

Not happening. There is simply not enough O&D to support a flight to Asia.

Quoting MEACEDAR (Reply 22):
Why can't we have a non-stop flight between MCO-NRT-MCO, Delta is able to fly from/to ATL from/to NRT. ATL is only about 1 hour and 15 minutes from MCO by air.

What does distance have to do with it? ATL-NRT is flown by Delta, yes. Look at the feed that is provided for that flight- it's something that MCO just doesn't have. Believe me, I'd love to see a Delta 777 land from NRT, but it's just not going to happen in this decade.


Back to the topic at hand, don't forget that there are more international destinations than just Europe.
-JY flies MCO-MBJ
-AM flies MCO-MEX
-DL will soon restart MCO-MEX as well.
-CM flies MCO-PTY
-Martinair flies MCO-SJO

While the market could certainly support a flight or two more, at this point in time, MCO is doing just fine.


25 MEACEDAR : Yes, but usually none of them are even 60 percent full half the time. Martinair is usually full...but AM is usually never. I heard the for every MCO-
26 Cslusarc : Are there any currently operated international passenger routes from MCO operated by US-flagged scheduled carriers
27 Rookinla : Huh? What is your source for this bit of info? They have increased frequency on this route twice and are about to go daily. That hardly seems like a
28 WorldTraveler : My guess would be the UK or France.
29 MEACEDAR : Nope, they are only foreign airlines. They already ready fly to the UK. LGW and MAN
30 Rookinla : US:BDA DL Connection MCO-NAS CO Connection MCO-FPO American Eagle MCO-NAS (about to end..if not already) DL MCO-MEX (coming) In addition...DL,NK and
31 2travel2know : A test that have been going on for years now! If daily, which I would think it'll happen soon, CM MCO route could be doing fine with an E190, even if
32 WorldTraveler : the quote was regarding nonstop DL services from MCO....DL doesn't serve that market.
33 Post contains images MIAMIx707 : You are forgetting PuertoRicans (while US citizens, have a different culture and consider themselves latinos or spanish or just Puertoricans). There
34 QFSYD744 : WorldTraveler, As usual you are adding more and more thought into the conversation. It is a pleasure to see someone who is so informed and thought pr
35 Post contains images Danimarroquin : AV , should make the MCO-BOG . the colombian community is getting big my friends
36 MAH4546 : I'm not doubting Orlando's diversity, but to say that "that's mostly it" with regards to the immigrants Miami is saying is ignoring the truth. Orland
37 Rookinla : I had a long, fairly well thought out post ready to go and the internet went down...ugh! It was basically regarding the prospects of MCO receiving add
38 QFSYD744 : You forgot... SV DE serves Las Vegas 2 x weekly with the 767-300 Between LAS and MCO bets are on for LAS. German O/D is very good to Las Vegas, as it
39 Post contains images Rookinla : No I didn't...See... See...I told you! While I'm posting, I notice that DL Flight 22 runs daily MCO-ATL-CDG with a 763. Does anybody here (MAH4546 ma
40 MEACEDAR : First the 763 is just from MCO-ATL. ATL-CDG runs with a 772 They use the same flight #. I went on DL 22 on September 10, 2006 but my flight from MCO-
41 Rookinla : You're right...my apologies. Not for much longer. November is showing as a 767...no series listed. But I would still be interested to know what the d
42 Post contains images MCOGVADCA : I wish! that would make my life far more convenient, but the only people i know that would take that route would be my family not exactly sustainable
43 Post contains images MIAMIx707 : It's been big for years. Orlando's colombian community is huge. I don't know if I would call a community in a small place like Sunny Isles beach, "la
44 Rookinla : Since we're talking about the history of MCO's International service, which ones were they? I purposely didn't list charters, just scheduled. As of N
45 N701AA : A lot of the traffic into Florida destinations from Canada is driven by tour operators and travel agency consolidators. For example, Transat Vacation
46 Post contains images MIAMIx707 : Most of the remaining were charters, except for I think KLM and maybe Citybird and Trans European. KLM Spanair Trans European Air Europe SkyJet (Exca
47 MAH4546 : That is just a ridiculous thing to suggest when South Florida has one of the larger Russian communities in America, a Russian community that is aroun
48 Clipper136 : I would like to point out that those census numbers are from 2000. You amy say ....SO, it was just 6 years ago..... But anyone how has visited Orlando
49 MEACEDAR : Let me tell you, MCO really needs to get rid of Martinair MCO-AMS route and replace it with a KLM, MCO-AMS, just like in the old days. For the rest o
50 CM767 : That´s has been a long test.
51 Humberside : I think KLM would take over MIA before MCO. That said I doubt KLM will be serving Florida with their own planes soon as the present arrangements seem
52 Rookinla : Agreed... I'm not sure that you understand how this really works. KLM served the route through the mid 90s with a MEX tag-on. They were having to run
53 Post contains images MEACEDAR : Thank you for the lecture, Rookinla.
54 Post contains images MIAMIx707 : Well here's two more: UTA and Caledonian. I'm not sure if UTA was a one time charter or what but Caledonian was a regular in Orlando. guy first of al
55 QFSYD744 : KLM maintains sevice to Atlanta.
56 Post contains images Rookinla : You're welcome Not intended as a lecture...just a discussion between two aviation enthusiasts. I was just offering information that I thought would b
57 QFSYD744 : CityBird: BRU-OAK-LAS-BRU BRU-OAK-LAX-BRU BRU-LAX-BRU MartinAir: AMS-LAX-AMS AMS-OAK-AMS Sobelair: BRU-LAS-BRU
58 Post contains images MEACEDAR : I know just messin' with you.
59 MCOflyer : I could see AV doing 4x week 757 service. In addition to that I could see UA doing a 3x weekly 763ER service to LAX. They need to upgrade that flight.
60 Post contains images QFSYD744 : They just emerged from Bankruptcy, they dont need to go back!
61 Rookinla : 1. DL ran MCO-LAX with a 763 2X Daily for some time...presumably to feed Asia flights at the time. I took this route numerous times and every time...
62 NASCARAirforce : what about Aer Lingus? Did they discontinue the Aer Lingus A330 to MCO? It was flying there as of last winter when I was staying in Orlando. I don't
63 Rookinla : This flight was a public charter and was dropped when the charter contract ended. If and when EI gets more metal, this one could come back. Eurofly w
64 Post contains images SR 103 : As someone who lives in Daytona and has been a Gold Elite with KL for years, I would love to see that happen. Not that I mind flying NW or CO somewhe
65 MEACEDAR : Is it a possiblity that Bal Air will resume flights to MCO from ZRH?
66 MEACEDAR : Non-stop? or via ATL/BOS?
67 Post contains links and images SR 103 : Well, since they are no longer in existence, it would take a miracle for that to happen. However their predecessor Belair is alive and well and could
68 MEACEDAR : SR 103, What destinations do you think should be added from/to MCO? International not domestic.
69 SR 103 : I personally think MCO does just fine right now. LGW, MAN, FRA, and AMS are perfectly good destinations. I think either CDG or ZRH would fit in nicel
70 MIAMIx707 : I only saw Sobelair a few times. Anyone has the dates? That's what I thought too, I know it started in 1997, probably ended in 2000 or 2001 when the
71 Meacedar : No, CanJet still flies to MCO. These are the following routes: HALIFAX-MCO OTTAWA-MCO The Ottawa route is also offered by AC and WestJet.
72 Meacedar : No, CanJet still flies to MCO. These are the following routes: HALIFAX-MCO OTTAWA-MCO The Ottawa route is also offered by AC and WestJet.
73 Post contains links and images MIAMIx707 : This could have been just during the summer of '01 only and perhaps 2000 also, (assuming it wasn't just just one or two flights). I do remember they
74 MIAMIx707 : I don't think they came came in the last couple of weekends
75 MEACEDAR : I got this information off MCO offical website.
76 Delta777Jet : Delta used to fly MCO-FRA with L-1011 in the 90`s but due to low yields cancelled this route shortly before they withdraw the hub in Frankfurt !!!
77 VV701 : Some time back BA had a joint venture with Flying Colours known as AML (Airline Management Ltd) that operated DC-10s in BA colours from LGW to leisur
78 Post contains links AkjetBlue : CanJet suspended service. They are trying to restart scheduled charter service, see the link below. http://www.canada.com/theprovince/ne...6a0-4b0d-b
79 QFSYD744 : Please see below the route is still operational well into 2007! KLM 622 Booking Class: S / Economy Ticket Designator: Meal: Dinner Equipment: 332 Wed
80 MEACEDAR : EuroDisney doesn't compare to the original Disney. In addition, I heard it sucks.
81 Rookinla : In addition, because of the Euro's value here I would think that a WDW vacation might be more economical...am I wrong? And BTW, WDW is bigger and bet
82 Post contains images MEACEDAR : Agreed...Agreed
83 Post contains images MIAMIx707 : MEA, i take it you go see micky and minnie often
84 Post contains images MEACEDAR : Love Mickey and Mini. I got annual passes.
85 MAH4546 : There was no charter contract. Aer Lingus ran the public charter themselves. It was a public charter to get around the fact that they could not add M
86 MCOflyer : I hear MIA will be served by Aer Lingus. MCOflyer
87 VV701 : I have had the pleasure of taking my grandson to Disneyworld in Orlando, the original Disneyland at Annaheim and EuroDisney in Paris. And you're righ
88 MIAMIx707 : I heard otherwise. Also that Aer Lingus needed the metal for other more necessary routes, DXB if I remember correctly.
89 Post contains links MAH4546 : Loads that averaged in the 65-75% range and less than stellar yields didn't make the flight successful in the short time it ran. You can't make much
90 MCOGVADCA : Scheduled service allowing people travelling FROM orlando to purchase tickets as well would have bumped up those dismal load factors (we werent allowe
91 AA767400 : Consider? Puerto Ricans ARE Latino/Hispanic. And Spanish is someone from Spain, which in the states most people use to refer to any Latin American. A
92 727LOVER : Well if we're talking airports, you'd have to include Pinellas County. There are 900,000 residents and they all (with a few PIE exceptions) use TPA.
93 MEACEDAR : KLM is far much better than Martinair. Have you ever been on a Martinair B767? The seats are so small. When I fly KLM it is usually in a B737, which
94 Post contains images Ikramerica : I wonder if JALways could open up a 2-class 744 route to NRT as more 777s go onto their higher yield routes. Maybe 2 times a week to coincide with the
95 MEACEDAR : I heard ANA was thinking about doing that about 6 months ago. I don't know when they will start this, or even if they would.
96 Post contains images MIAMIx707 : Most people know that, but thanks but reminding us. If I recall correctly you had a PR flag before right? I used spanish instead of hispanic, because
97 Post contains images AA767400 : Well I live in the United States now, so it would be a silly thing to do. But I could carry this flag since I hold a passport from it. Reminding you,
98 NASCARAirforce : I would call the British Europeans, they have quite a community in the Orlando/Kissimmee area. The reason that MCO sees a lack of International servi
99 MAH4546 : The largest British community in Florida is in the Miami area. That has very little to do with it. MIA and many other airports have poor immigration
100 MIAMIx707 : Where are they hiding? You see much more resident Brits in Orlando, by a long shot. I've met very, very few in Miami. MCO needs more service,(interna
101 Bobnwa : Very astute and well thought out remark. Are you saying that EuroDisney doesn't compare to the original Disney in California. Everything I hear says
102 MEACEDAR : You freeze your butt out in Paris.
103 MAH4546 : You might have personally observed that, and that's all great. Miami's British population is double that of Orlando's. You can ignore the facts if yo
104 MCOGVADCA : I'm not familiar with miami's british population (not denying its existence i've just never spent much time in south florida), but Miamix707 is surely
105 Bongodog1964 : To understand the balance of International flights at MCO, I think you need to analyse carefully the culture, preconceived viewpoints, and expectation
106 NASCARAirforce : That might be possible since I think the Miami area also includes Fort Lauderdale, but per capita I think Orlando might have it. MCO just passed up M
107 MAH4546 : The Miami area has 14,147 British born residents. The Orlando area has 7,618. Per capita, Tampa wins with 12,861 British born residents. Okay. That d
108 NASCARAirforce : Is PBI really in the Miami area? Isn't Palm Beach its own market? PBI and MIA are over an hour apart from each other. I think the distance between PB
109 MIAMIx707 : Cocoa gets pretty crowded on Saturdays and holidays, but that's nothing. You are forgetting nearby Daytona Beach, which is packed with spring breaker
110 MAH4546 : Palm Beach and Miami are the same metroplex. Many Palm Beach residents use MIA for international flights rather than connecting elsewhere, especially
111 Post contains images MIAMIx707 : All I can tell you is, when you live in Orlando for some time, you'll come across more non-hispanic residents (including europeans) in Orlando and you
112 Post contains images MEACEDAR : I agree!!!
113 MAH4546 : I agree that I wouldn't reach exact conclusions that those numbers represent an accurate population base of those communities in those cities, in bot
114 MEACEDAR : Can you tell us where you got this fact?
115 NASCARAirforce : Gee, how could I forget the city that I live in? Actually Spring Break, Bike Week etc has shrunk a lot in Daytona. Spring Break in Daytona is nothing
116 Clipper136 : This is true based on the 2000 Census..... It will not be true in the next Census. Orlando will overtake Tampa as the second largest MSA in Florida a
117 MAH4546 : I thought that. In 2005, Tampa still has nearly 725,000 more residents than Orlando. Unless something very radical happens in the next four years, Ta
118 FlyMIA : Really this MIA vs MCO rival comes up all the time and same things are said. Miami is the financial centre of Florida and a major world business centr
119 NASCARAirforce : Not the City of Tampa, but maybe the Tampa Bay area has 725,000 more. It that was the case, Tampa itself would have 1,000,000 people. No individual c
120 MAH4546 : Of course I was referring to the Tampa Bay area. It is significantly larger than the Orlando area, and that isn't changing soon. Maybe in 15 years, n
121 Post contains images MIAMIx707 : Condo retirement community?? what? I have been to daytona a few times in the last few years but not during spring break. Last spring break when I wen
122 MAH4546 : Yes, they probably are considering Orlando is about 1/3rd the size of Miami. Miami still has communities in every single one of those immigrant group
123 Post contains images MIAMIx707 : Miami is the most cosmopolitan city in the universe.. (not to mention a city every airline wants to fly to). Is it because you live there perhaps? Ke
124 NASCARAirforce : If you also remember before the Mouse moved to Orlando, Orlando was just a large farm town... probably about the size of current Lakeland. Tampa was
125 MAH4546 : Actually, I live in Chicago in right now. But that is besides the point. I think it is really funny how you put words in my mouth. How does the fact
126 MIAMIx707 : The first part is true. As for the 2nd part, actually there has been more and more middle and higher class puertoricans that are leaving the island d
127 MEACEDAR : Look, this thread got WAY of topic. We're talking about what airlines should be added to MCO, not what city has more immigrants than another. So, MIAM
128 MAH4546 : Biased? If you wish to say so, fine. I've never been biased. I've simply shown you facts regarding the two cities populations, facts which you chose
129 Post contains images MIAMIx707 : Well the day I went to daytona for spring break was cold, I'm glad I was in Daytona and not Panama city that's further north. I'm actually not a big
130 NASCARAirforce : Because in a way it is newer. Miami has been a huge city for years and years. People were going to vacation there for years. When my parents went on
131 Post contains images MIAMIx707 : Miami is not locked in by freeways or neighborhoods, if only that was the problem! Miami has sea to the east and west and south is the everglades. Ev
132 NASCARAirforce : What I meant was MIA, the Miami International Airport is locked in by freeways and neighborhoods. There is a freeway on the south and the west side o
133 Post contains images MIAMIx707 : My bad, I thought you were talking about the city. MIA could be expanded westward some, if the small stretch of railroad is moved west. It could posos
134 NASCARAirforce : Forgot about the railroad too. That is almost if not more costly than moving a freeway.
135 MAH4546 : Dude, you are dreaming. When all the current, delayed construction is finally over at MIA (probably 2010 or so), MIA will be capable of handling 65M
136 NASCARAirforce : The terminals might, but what about the runways? Only two runways can be used at MIA during IFR conditions. Even during good weather only three paral
137 MAH4546 : I don't know about the runways, but there is room to build a 5th if nessecary. There is a little room to expand, enough to build a new runway. I don'
138 NASCARAirforce : Where is there room for a fifth runway? Runways have to have a separation standard, which I do not see on the south side of the airport. It would inv
139 MAH4546 : Agreed, and if air congestion issues continue, the NIMBYs are going to have a less powerful say. They won the last round because the need for an airp
140 NASCARAirforce : Extremely $$$$$ though. It would make a mess out of Cargo city if built to the north, plus would interfere with the terminal complex so that would pr
141 MAH4546 : Expensive and a logistical nightmare, yes. Still pocket change compared to the current, way overbudget projects. Though the point is baseless, becaus
142 NASCARAirforce : In terms of airports? Well yeah if you compare it to the O'Hare Modernization project. Otherwise, relocating a railroad track and a freeway would cos
143 MIAMIx707 : Not in this case, the stretch of railroad is pretty small, and the streets nearby could easily be re-routed or a bridge made over the railroad. There
144 NASCARAirforce : Isn't there a railroad that runs parallel to 9R? I seem to remember trains there when I was spotting by "the Airplane Shop". I was referring to MAH s
145 MIAMIx707 : Don't worry, because that's practically impossible. Even if the railroad tracks AND perimeter didn't exist, the runway would be too close to the expr
146 Bond007 : Right, but as much as the different foreign populations have been discussed, I think it has little to do with international routes. I work with 6 Rus
147 NASCARAirforce : I don't see OPF or Tamiami growing into anything commercial without major objections from NIMBYs. OPF is too close to MIA to safely operate regular c
148 MIAMIx707 : I don't know if I could make a generalization but you do have a point. Inmigrants oftentimes are just glad to be in the USA and don't go back for yea
149 MAH4546 : Very true, but it also depends on the immigrant populations. Caribbean immigrants (especially Dominicans) tend to fly home very often. thanks to prox
150 Post contains links and images AkjetBlue : I’ve been thinking about this thread and back to the original topic of International carriers at MCO - Honestly before any new international carrier
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