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Emirates A-340 With Only Two Engines?  
User currently offlineJorge1812 From Germany, joined Apr 2004, 3149 posts, RR: 8
Posted (8 years 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 15234 times:

At first, please don't flame me - I know that there is no A-340 with only 2 engines in flyable condition.

Now to the story.
A friend told me he has seen a two engined Emirates Airbus with A 340-300 written on the nose at MUC. and he is absolutely sure about this. I don't thrust him so the only possibility would be a painting failure on one of the A-330's. Anyone has seen this or heard about?

Thanks for not posting coments like "There is no 340 with two engines" or "It's the new less fuel burn version"

Georg

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User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17068 posts, RR: 66
Reply 1, posted (8 years 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 15262 times:

"There is no 340 with two engines"

"It's the new less fuel burn version"

Ok now that I've done that.  Wink

There are two possbilities:
- The paint is wrong.
- Your friend is wrong.

Interestingly, the original name of the 340 was 330 and the 330 was 340. But Airbus quickly figured out that would be confusing.



"There are no stupid questions, but there are a lot of inquisitive idiots."
User currently offlineKL808 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1584 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (8 years 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 15209 times:

Since the A340 and A330 have many things in common, it could have been that Emirates maintainance installed an A340 nose on an A330, which probably is just fine.

Drew



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User currently offlineJorge1812 From Germany, joined Apr 2004, 3149 posts, RR: 8
Reply 3, posted (8 years 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 15172 times:

Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 1):
There are two possbilities:



Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 1):
- Your friend is wrong.

I guess too, but you never know.

Quoting KL808 (Reply 2):
it could have been that Emirates maintainance installed an A340 nose on an A330, which probably is just fine.


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Would be a new cockpit section.

Georg

[Edited 2006-10-11 23:08:40]

User currently offlineKL808 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1584 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (8 years 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 15000 times:

Quoting Jorge1812 (Reply 3):
Would be a new cockpit section

I meant the nose cone.

I thought it was painted on the nose cone itself, not as shown on your picture.

Drew



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User currently offlineJorge1812 From Germany, joined Apr 2004, 3149 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (8 years 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 14942 times:

Quoting KL808 (Reply 4):

I what you meant that's why I showed the pic. but wasn't the a/c type painted with big bold letters in the past?

Georg

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also not the nose cone but bigger.

[Edited 2006-10-11 23:37:11]

User currently offlineJakTrax From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 4936 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (8 years 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 14567 times:

I know of an A340 with 2 engines - it's called an A330........

Sorry, just couldn't resist!!!  Big grin


User currently offlineJpax From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 1018 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (8 years 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 14511 times:

An A340 with only two engines is a 'flightless bird'... it can be nicknamed 'The Dodo' Big grin

I believe it would have a pretty difficult time getting airborne on a typical runway with only two engines.  Wink


User currently offlineAmerican777 From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (8 years 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 14418 times:

Quoting Jorge1812 (Thread starter):
he has seen a two engined Emirates Airbus with A 340-300 written on the nose at MUC

The aircraft your friend saw must have been in maintenance and LH must have had been doing an engine change to the aircraft.

While the engines were being changed, he probably saw that it only had two engines and he probably didn't even know that the aircraft was in maintenance.

Other than that your friend just tried to give you something to worry about. I bet he is laughing at ya now where ever he is at for what he told you, which was just simply a joke.

Regards,

JOE.  airplane 


User currently offlineJorge1812 From Germany, joined Apr 2004, 3149 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (8 years 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 14291 times:

Quoting American777 (Reply 8):

Other than that your friend just tried to give you something to worry about. I bet he is laughing at ya now where ever he is at for what he told you, which was just simply a joke.

Doubt that, he's not that intelligent to do such jokes  Wink I think, on a bad note, he really believes his 2-engined 340 Sad

Quoting American777 (Reply 8):
The aircraft your friend saw must have been in maintenance and LH must have had been doing an engine change to the aircraft.

Another option which came to my mind, have to ask him if the plane was flying or "taxiing".

Georg


User currently offlinePHKLM From Northern Mariana Islands, joined Dec 2005, 1198 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (8 years 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 14215 times:

Guys I'm not supposed to tell but this is the super secret A370 that is offered to Emirates as compensation for the 380 delay. It sure looks like a 340 minus 2 engines but I can assure you it is a radical improvement over any current design. As a matter of fact it will beat the performance of the 787, 350XXLWBNGV2-Adv.
Please don't tell anyone this plane still has to go thru flight-testing and is planned to enter service in 2006, ehh, 2008, well, 2009, make that 2020 - if all goes well. Big grin

 duck 


User currently offlineGh123 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (8 years 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 14202 times:

Don't worry mate! They're just bullies behind 4" glasses.

Like some of you above said - sorry jus couldn't resist it!!  Big grin  fight   silly 


User currently offlineJorge1812 From Germany, joined Apr 2004, 3149 posts, RR: 8
Reply 12, posted (8 years 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 13975 times:

Well, almost 6 hours on Anet turned out nothing like "There is an A-330 with A-340 written on the nose flying around for weeks" turned out I guess I should take his statement there where I took the statement form the same guy about the Canon 100-400L available with twist zoom too. The Canon thing I never believed but there are small chances that the paint shop did a mistake with the decals for the EK 330.

Georg


User currently offlineDkny From Ethiopia, joined Mar 2004, 714 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (8 years 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 13554 times:

Or maybee he meant 2 engines on one wing  Wink

User currently offlineAlexPorter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (8 years 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 13345 times:

Quoting Jpax (Reply 7):
believe it would have a pretty difficult time getting airborne on a typical runway with only two engines.

Maybe if it's a one-hour ferry flight, from a 16000' runway, at sea level, and it's very, very cold but dry so de-ice is turned off, and there's a 25 knot headwind on takeoff, and full thrust is used, then it could probably fly. Not legally, of course.


User currently offlineSAS A340 From Sweden, joined Jul 2000, 781 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (8 years 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 13325 times:

He should have check the landing gear.... 340 has a small one betwen the two maingear....


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User currently offlineFly-K From Germany, joined May 2000, 3154 posts, RR: 51
Reply 16, posted (8 years 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 13286 times:
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Quoting Jorge1812 (Reply 5):
but wasn't the a/c type painted with big bold letters in the past?

I believe only the two-class versions have the big bold letters on the nose, the three-class version has smaller letters.



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User currently offlineJohnny From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (8 years 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 13122 times:

@Jpax
@AlexPorter

It is hard to believe, i know, but all A340-versions are certified with two engines out...
Same can be said for the B747, which has a slightly better thrust/weight ratio.

 Smile


User currently offlineLegoguy From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 3313 posts, RR: 40
Reply 18, posted (8 years 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 13068 times:

Quoting Johnny (Reply 17):
but all A340-versions are certified with two engines out...

Well if the a340-300 can fly with two engines out, if the two engines were actually removed, a good amount of weight is removed, meaning lighter aircraft.... 

[Edited 2006-10-12 12:58:28]


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User currently offlineJohnny From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (8 years 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 13046 times:

@Legoguy

Yes, that is right.Even further reduced to zero engines would increase the Performance further more...  Wink

Time to build airplanes with the material which is part of your username - easy repairs, shrinks, stretches, additional or less engines, etc...

 Smile


User currently offlineStrasserB From Singapore, joined Nov 2005, 1541 posts, RR: 7
Reply 20, posted (8 years 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 13014 times:

Didn't your friend look funny with ...

Quoting Jorge1812 (Thread starter):
... A 340-300 written on the nose

?



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User currently offlineBoeing777/747 From Belgium, joined Dec 2001, 643 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (8 years 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 12986 times:

No you are wrong you might have seen an Emirates A330 with propellors or a strecthed 777 or an A340 with six engines and a V-tail...


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User currently offlineLegoguy From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 3313 posts, RR: 40
Reply 22, posted (8 years 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 12505 times:

Quoting Johnny (Reply 19):
Time to build airplanes with the material which is part of your username - easy repairs, shrinks, stretches, additional or less engines, etc...

I will stick to what I do best  Silly That exactly how I do it. A lego a330-300 is just the a340-300 minus it's outer engines, and the inner engines are a little bit shorter.



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User currently offlineJorge1812 From Germany, joined Apr 2004, 3149 posts, RR: 8
Reply 23, posted (8 years 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 9286 times:

Summarizing the posts above he told rubbish - exactly what I thought but I wanted to know if there is really no 340 flying around with wrong a/c type designations.

Georg


User currently offlineAeroman444 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 65 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (8 years 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 9030 times:

An A340 barely has enough power to get off the ground and to 28,000 ft  Smile with 4 engines. With two it would be the fastest greyhound bus in existence.  Smile  Smile

25 Post contains images PlaneHunter : My neighbor once tried to tell me he flew on a "B747-400"...when I asked for the airline he answered "Hapag Lloyd". Well, then I told him it was a B73
26 Post contains links and images Jorge1812 : Check out http://www.flugstatistik.de/ you'll sure find the HF 744 Georg
27 Post contains images Ferret : That's some funny stuff. That 777 would be 'tail-striking' all the time!
28 Springbok295 : The A330 has an identical wing and even hardpoints within the structure where the outboard engines on the A340 would go. In theory an A330 can be con
29 Starlionblue : Agreed. Still, the 330 wing is not quite identical. It is stronger (I believe it has an extra mini spar inboard) since the outboard engines on the 34
30 Post contains images 787engineer : Then if one engine fails on rotation, you'd have a pretty big mess on your hands . There's a reason the A340 has 4 engines. I think this is the most
31 Tom_EDDF : I bet your friend just mixed it up. And the RR Trent on the A330-34x - while much bigger - looks damn similar to the CFM56, both featuring an exhaust
32 Post contains images A380Heavy : Not to mention that the A330 instruments are all set up for just 2 engines - Ok so you could re-program the software so that the CRT displays would b
33 Brenintw : I've had that on a CX 343 leaving JNB in the middle of summer -- I think we used about all of the 4.5 km of JNB's runway, plus some before we got off
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