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DL To Announce JFK-PSA/OTP; ATL-ICN/DXB/VIE/PRG  
User currently offlineIluv747400 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 372 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 17593 times:

There has been much speculation on this board about where Delta Air Lines will be expanding next summer. Tomorrow they will announce service to six new destinations. They have already updated their schedules to reflect the new routes. They are JFK-PSA (Pisa), JFK-OTP (Bucharest), ATL-ICN (Seoul), ATL-DXB (Dubai), ATL-VIE and ATL-PRG.

Delta will be providing the only transatlantic service out of Pisa and Bucharest. Delta will be the only US carrier to Dubai, Vienna, and Prague.

Schedules are as follows:

DL 136
JFK: 8:15 PM
PSA: 11:00 AM +1
- Operates Tues, Thurs, Fri, Sun

DL 137
PSA: 1:35 PM
JFK: 5:05 PM
- Operates Mon, Wed, Fri, Sat

DL 134
JFK: 7:05 PM
OTP: 12:05 PM +1
- Operates Mod, Tue, Wed, Sat

DL 135
OTP: 1:55 PM
JFK: 5:30 PM
- Operates Tue, Wed, Thu, Sun

DL 91
ATL: 11:40 AM
ICN: 3:25 PM +1
- Operates Mon, Tue, Fri, Sat

DL 92
ICN: 5:40 PM
ATL: 6:25 PM
- Operates Tue, Wed, Sat, Sun

DL 8
ATL: 10:40 PM
DXB: 8:35 PM +1
- Operates Daily except Mon & Fri

DL 7
DXB: 10:45 PM
ATL: 5:45 AM +1
- Operates Daily except Tue & Sat

DL 40
ATL: 6:25 PM
VIE: 10:10 AM +1
- Operates Daily except Tue & Sun

DL 41
VIE: 12:10 PM
ATL: 5:20 PM
- Operates Daily except Mon & Wed

DL 62
ATL: 7:00 PM
PRG: 10:25 AM +1
- Operates Daily except Thu & Sat

DL 63
PRG: 12:25 PM
ATL: 7:05 PM
- Operates Daily except Fri & Sun

I didn't have time to check start dates.

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User currently offlineARGinLON From Vatican City, joined Jun 2005, 614 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 17566 times:

It will be interesting to see what ac DL uses on the new routes. Certainly DXB is a major focus for business traffic although it will be hard to compete vs. BA/AF to the major busines destinations in the US.

As for Pisa and Prague this could make tons of money in the summer but I don't really know the rest of the year


User currently offlineBBADXB From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 17490 times:

Wow! This makes me hope that a JFK-MLA may not be all that far away after all! LOL!

User currently offlineBicoastal From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 17456 times:

Does Delta not share Atlantic revenue 50/50 with Air France as do United-Lufthansa and Northwest-KLM? If not, I see the logic of these routes....get it all for yourself and don't share with Air France. But Northwest and United seem to send most of their passengers through the hubs of KLM and Lufthansa.....though there are some exceptions.

User currently offlineDL787932ER From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 597 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 17448 times:

Quoting ARGinLON (Reply 1):
It will be interesting to see what ac DL uses on the new routes.

ATL-ICN and ATL-DXB will be 772ER; all others will be 763ER.



F L Y D E L T A J E T S
User currently offlineAlitalia744 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4764 posts, RR: 44
Reply 5, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 17440 times:

Well the ol'gal from the south has spoken... Wink

Congrats to DL.



Some see lines, others see between the lines.
User currently offlineARGinLON From Vatican City, joined Jun 2005, 614 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 17443 times:

Quoting DL787932ER (Reply 4):
ATL-ICN and ATL-DXB will be 772ER; all others will be 763ER.

So this means bye bye to the 772 to Europe?


User currently offlineQFSYD744 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 17379 times:

Quoting ARGinLON (Reply 6):
So this means bye bye to the 772 to Europe?

Yes, unless the rumors of Delta hunting for the ex Varig types are true.

Wonderful news for Delta Air Lines!

Cheers!

[Edited 2006-10-12 03:34:18]

User currently offlineFoxBravo From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 3008 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 17351 times:

This is all very exciting--it's like the ghost of Pan Am is waking up. It's great to see a nonstop from JFK to PSA. DL really has Italy covered now--in addition to MXP and FCO, they are also the only airline flying between the U.S. and VCE.

[Edited 2006-10-12 03:09:24]


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User currently offlineOA412 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5373 posts, RR: 24
Reply 9, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 17261 times:

Quoting FoxBravo (Reply 8):
they are also the only airline flying between the U.S. and VCE

Actually US also operates a seasonal PHL-VCE route.



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User currently offlineB777-700 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 17161 times:

Well, what can I say...I'm batting 1000  Wink

User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 11, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 17062 times:

Pisa? With a 767?

I know its too far... but a 767 seems like an awful lot of capacity.

NS


User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7812 posts, RR: 25
Reply 12, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 17032 times:

Cheers to DL!!! Heres wishing DL much success on their new routes!!!

 praise 



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User currently offlineAlitalia744 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4764 posts, RR: 44
Reply 13, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 17033 times:

Quoting B777-700 (Reply 10):
Well, what can I say...I'm batting 1000

You and a few other of us...  Wink



Some see lines, others see between the lines.
User currently offlineQFSYD744 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 17005 times:

Quoting Gigneil (Reply 11):
Pisa? With a 767?

I know its too far... but a 767 seems like an awful lot of capacity.

Americans love Tuscany...

O/D - VFR ex JFK to Italy during the summertime is golden!

 wink 


User currently offlineFlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 6733 posts, RR: 24
Reply 15, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 16987 times:

The second JFK-LGW is also loaded...however the summer seasonal 3rd ATL-LGW is not. I'm guessing that's because it was moved to become the 2nd JFK flight.

I can't seem to pull up CVG-AMS or CVG-FCO. Are these two returning? Almost everything else seems to be loaded even seasonal flights like ATL-ATH and ATL-BCN, so its odd to see those missing.


User currently offlineHVNandrew From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 443 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 16910 times:

Wow... DL continues their quest to take over the Atlantic.

Great to see new service to other areas of the world, though. DXB and ICN could be great flights for DL, and establish their presence in the market for future expansion in the area.


User currently offlineFoxBravo From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 3008 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 16879 times:

Quoting OA412 (Reply 9):
Actually US also operates a seasonal PHL-VCE route.

You're right, I forgot about that.

Quoting Gigneil (Reply 11):
Pisa? With a 767?

I know its too far... but a 767 seems like an awful lot of capacity.

If they can make VCE work with a 767 (and if it's survived this long, I'm guessing they can), then a 767 to PSA shouldn't be any harder to fill. Even if it's mostly tourist traffic headed to Florence, Siena and the rest of Tuscany, that's relatively upscale tourist traffic--sort of like JFK-NCE, which from what I understand has been a cash cow for years.



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User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7812 posts, RR: 25
Reply 18, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 16860 times:

Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 15):
The second JFK-LGW is also loaded...however the summer seasonal 3rd ATL-LGW is not. I'm guessing that's because it was moved to become the 2nd JFK flight.

I can't seem to pull up CVG-AMS or CVG-FCO. Are these two returning? Almost everything else seems to be loaded even seasonal flights like ATL-ATH and ATL-BCN, so its odd to see those missing.

I cant find them either. I think some of the growth over the atlantic from ATL and JFK will be at the expense of CVG.



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User currently offlineDelta787 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 321 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 16727 times:

Something must be wrong with Delta. They're actually adding a route to the Pacific Rim.


Fly Delta!
User currently offlineOA412 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5373 posts, RR: 24
Reply 20, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 16723 times:

Quoting Gigneil (Reply 11):
Pisa? With a 767?

I know its too far... but a 767 seems like an awful lot of capacity.

Perhaps but don't forget that the flight only runs 4 days/week thus reducing DL's risk. Though I do agree that if it was w/in range, the 757 is the ideal equipment for such a route.



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User currently offlineQFSYD744 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 16683 times:

Quoting Delta787 (Reply 19):
Something must be wrong with Delta. They're actually adding a route to the Pacific Rim.

 rotfl 

Actually the rumors are to the opposite, that many more Pacific routes will be on the horizon.

 wink 


User currently offlineWorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 16556 times:

Don't draw any conclusions regarding CVG-FCO and AMS. DL has far from completed its schedule for next year. The announcements today are just to start the marketing efforts for the new flights. There are 8 764s to be allocated and they have yet to have schedules loaded. Also, it is highly likely that some of the newer flights did not do as well as CVG's existing int'l flights, esp. FCO. It doesn't make sense to drop a good flight in order to develop another one. Far too many people here have a fatalistic approach to CVG which is just not supportable based on DL's statements or actions.

User currently offlineWorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 16511 times:

Quoting Gigneil (Reply 11):
Pisa? With a 767?

I know its too far... but a 767 seems like an awful lot of capacity.

There are rumors that the PSA flight is being revenue guaranteed... or there is some type of financial assistance.

Interesting that DXB gets a single digit flight number.

[Edited 2006-10-12 05:24:10]

User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17827 posts, RR: 46
Reply 24, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 16385 times:

Now there will be almost four daily flights to DXB chasing the dozens of people travelling between the US and DXBSilly I'm curious to see how that pans out. And why is the ICN flight almost wingtips with KE?

Quoting Gigneil (Reply 11):
Pisa? With a 767?

Yeesh...there's got to be some subsidy/incentive behind that one.



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25 DL Widget Head : I'm trying to think of what's interesting about that but I can't. What do you find interesting about it?
26 MSYtristar : Any word on when the previously talked about domestic expansion from JFK will be announced?
27 Fxramper : What will their limited 777 schedules be with the two new stops? They still doing ATL-NRT and ATL JNB on 777?
28 DL Widget Head : Still doing ATL-NRT with a 777 but the ATL-JNB trip will be done with a 767300ER for now.
29 BAW716 : Delta flying to PSA actually helps AZ. The revenue share arrangement will ensure that AZ gets a piece of the action and if AZ does what I've read it m
30 Akizidy214 : Where are they getting the planes for these routes? I'm hoping the announce ATL-SSA soon!
31 Gokmengs : IIRC KE will leave ATL for another city it was discussed here before, I'll try to look it up. good luck to DL. IMO the new routes, except PSA will do
32 SHUPirate1 : Forget new planes then...ATL-SSA would require a new bilateral.
33 Post contains images N174UA : I'll second that... . Is Florence not capable of widebodies? I went past it on the train into the Santa Maria Novella train station, and saw smaller
34 DL Widget Head : DL does not operate CVG-VCE but operates both ATL-VCE and JFK-VCE. I believe PSA's performance will far exceed DL's expectations.[Edited 2006-10-12 0
35 USPIT10L : No DL does not. They fly FCO-CVG seasonally with 767-300s.
36 Centrair : Great job DL. That means that DL and UA are the only US carriers with non-stop US to ICN service. Will the ICN flight be NW/CO/KE codeshared? Almost a
37 HeeseokKoo : I'm surprised that on KE website, KE will add another 3/week ICN-ATL with 747 during summer hot season in 2007. (mid Jul - late Aug) So I doubt KE wi
38 Goldorak : I don't think FLR's runway can accomodate widebodies (too short).
39 Post contains images Connector4you : Nice to see Delta in Bucharest. Considering its existing North American network, JFK-OTP will be a money making route for them. Bucharest really neede
40 Panamair : Not to mention that the airport is often fogged in in the morning, and facilities are generally inadequate, even after a reconstruction. And most Eur
41 GFA330 : The start dates ; JFK PSA : 31st May JFK OTP : 5th June ATL ICN : 4th June ATL DXB : 31st May ATL VIE : 21st May ATL PRG : 2 May All subject to govern
42 Post contains links LIPZ : VCE is a really good station for DL not only for the leisure traffic, so it's not so simple to compare it with PSA. VCE-JFK is operating since 2000,
43 Panamair : So with the latest additions, Delta will have nonstop service between the U.S. and 30(!!) European destinations or 33 destinations across the Atlantic
44 DL Widget Head : ATL has seasonal service to NCE.
45 Post contains images DAL767400ER : Bah, again no HAM . Actually, as some of our resident Brazilian members have pointed out in other threads, it could happen, as ANAC after the collapse
46 Panamair : I believe that ATL-NCE is not returning next summer...
47 Post contains links PanAm_DC10 : Here's a link to the Delta announcement; http://media.delta.com/article_display.cfm?article_id=10411 Regards, PanAm_DC10
48 Post contains images UpperDeck79 : According to AY, PSA is "Pisa/Firenze".
49 Nycfly75 : No they arent, they have a small runway. At the very most maybe a 757 can land there. But typically a32x's and 737s, props and m80s land there
50 Laxatljfkcvg : Now that is just plain stupid becuse you almost see an air france where ever delta gose atl,jfk,lax,cvg,iah,and may not slc.
51 IADLHR : I know a number of italian americans, myself included, that have family in that part of Italy and who would go to Italy more often if there was a non
52 WorldTraveler : ICN helps to validate ATL’s ability to support multiple Asian destinations which will help DL’s case for a route to China. DL does not code on any
53 Post contains images Panamair : Actually, they have gone above 150 already this past summer: 150 JFK-VCE 152 ATL-TLV 154 JFK-MAN 156 ATL-SNN (not coming back) 158 ATL-DUB 160 JFK-FC
54 Post contains images Gokmengs : Thanks for clearing that up panamair, in another thread I remember Alitalia744(talk about pointing fingers mentioning something like that, and it mad
55 Post contains images Lucianflyboy : Something's wrong with this picture..... Sabre shows the ATL-ICN flight as 59hrs 1 min. Where does it stop?? Mars?? LOL!!! Must be an error. 22JUN FLT
56 Fewsolarge : Sorry ... ironically, I couldn't decipher what you were calling plain stupid.
57 WorldTraveler : I'm sure many of these routes will be daily eventually but ATLICN is codeshared with KE so DL is supplementing service in the market already. Many of
58 AF022 : Sorry, but I still don't get the logic of DXB. Is there really that much O&D traffic between DXB and the US? The only reason I can see this as working
59 QFSYD744 : Perhaps KE will up the anty with a ATL-KIX-ICN routing..
60 MaverickM11 : Nope...if EK did it at least they could rely on the connections to South Asia.
61 DAL767400ER : $25 says those will be used for the planned 3rd daily JFK-LGW rotation.
62 MAH4546 : ATL-NCE performed horrendously (and was pretty much the only new route to perform really bad). It isn't returning.
63 Post contains images Kiwelumo : There has been speculation for a few weeks now that DL will announce a ATL - JFK - LOS (LAGOS) or ACC (Accra) service before the end of 2006. Does any
64 Post contains links DAYflyer : Link: http://www.marketwatch.com/News/Stor...366%7D&siteid=myyahoo&dist=myyahoo Delta Air Lines Inc. said Thursday it plans to operate five new intern
65 PVD757 : without ready all 60+ posts, I also noticed that the 2nd JFK-LGW flights begins 4/1/07 (sorry if already mentioned).
66 Post contains images DAL767400ER : Not heard of LOS, which I also doubt after the whole CO/VS/VK USvsNI bullsh!t of the last years, however 5x weekly JFK-ACC service on 763s will start
67 Carfield : So if I get the press release right, all the new European flights will be operated by either Boeing 767-300ER or Boeing 767-400ER with new BizElite an
68 B747FAN : I'm looking to travel to OTP or ATH during spring break, Does anyone know when DL service to those cities is scheduled to begin?
69 Freedom747 : Delta keeps blowing my mind !!!!! Keep going!!!
70 Post contains links Dalb777 : From http://news.delta.com/article_display.cfm?article_id=10411
71 LipeGIG : Right, and probably DL will receive the approval to run a year-round ATL-SSA flight very soon. ANAC CEO says that probably DL will receive such right
72 Congaboy : I think this is a really good move. Yes, I think pre-empting further EK expansion to US destinations was a part of this, but I also think there is al
73 Airbazar : No one has said it so it's likely not a problem but... isn't DXB-ATL in the Summer a streach for the 772ER?
74 B747FAN : Thank you Dalb777. There go my plans. Will have to find an alternate carrier, or postpone my trip for the summer. Just hope these new route are profit
75 MaverickM11 : DXB-EWR was a stretch for MH, and DL has the same engines, so I would imagine it would be even more difficult for DL to fly a full load.
76 Post contains images Steph001 : Hope so I would be glad to see any carrier offering direct connections between OTP and the United States. Hope DL is here to stay and even become dai
77 Jumbojet : why is it that DL is the only US carrier to start so many new European routes? You really dont hear of AA, CO, NW, UA and US starting service to new a
78 Steph001 : Maybe it's due to their hub in JFK that makes operating routes to Europe easier?
79 Bucky707 : I think lack of aircraft. Delta was in a unique position of having a large number of wide bodies flying domestic routes which could be shifted over t
80 DAL767400ER : So not just a temporary slot a temporary slot allocation for a few months? Sweeeeet. AA is very cautious, as far as expanding goes, and prefers to gr
81 Airbazar : I suspect that's where the newly ordered 772LR will end up. Until then they'll take a hit on cargo or have a fueling stop somewhere.
82 FlyinTLow : Mmh..... I'm wondering what EK will do now that DL is touching their hometurf. You know how aggressive EK is within their market, I am sure we will se
83 Post contains images FoxBravo : How about a codeshare?
84 WorldTraveler : DXBATL flying time is less than BOMJFK by an hour and a half. Even though temps in DXB can be hot well into the night, BOM isn’t exactly a “cool
85 Post contains images Robbie86 : Anyone knows if DL plans on opening any route to ARN?
86 Post contains images OA412 : No need to postpone your plans as far as ATH is concerned. While OTP will not begin until after this year's spring break, DL has been flying continuo
87 Panamair : Not in the immediate future; the focus now is to get a foothold in markets (like Eastern Europe) which will eventually only have room for one US carr
88 Post contains images BigGSFO : Great news for DL. ATL-DXB - I wonder how EK will respond. Five dailies DXB-ATL?
89 Post contains images DAL767400ER : Nah, 8 flights. Remember they can't get enough A380s in time, so they have to use 77Ws . Interestingly enough, DL will be pretty much just play "swit
90 Post contains images BigGSFO : ...and 2 777's DXB-CVG and a 340 DXB-SLC just to make a point. Jokes aside, I am glad to see a US carrier be proactive with service to Dubai. It is f
91 Post contains images MaverickM11 : It will be a great flight to nonrev on, particularly in Y
92 Post contains images LAXdude1023 : Maybe Southwest will start PHX-DXB with their new fleet of A380's.
93 Jfk777 : This is Delta second trip to Dubai in the last ten years. At one point it had a flight 3 times a week with an MD-11 from JFK to Cairo to Dubai; that w
94 DZ09 : Well for ATL-DXB, Delta definitely has my business.
95 Post contains images N600RR : All great news for DL and I wish them good fortune and success! This is more of an operations question: will DL open its own station at any or all of
96 Post contains links and images JumboJet : here we go, Delta returns to ICN. cant wait. I for sure will be on that flight some time in 2007 View Large View MediumPhoto © AirNikon
97 WorldTraveler : actually, did DL not serve SEL rather than ICN? I flew into Kimpo on DL but think they pulled out before ICN opened. DL usually has only a handful of
98 DeltaRules : Exciting news. Glad to see DL expanding even more! Anybody want to elaborate more on this? This is the first I've heard of this rumor. Edit- Found a t
99 QFSYD744 : Wasnt the original routing: LAX-PDX-ANC-SEL with the L1011 Didnt the flight continue to: SEL-TPE, SEL-HKG-BKK with the L1011
100 Toptravel : Think they are planning on bringing 757's into play across the Atlantic.
101 Post contains images QFSYD744 : TRN? LYS? TLS? SVQ? LUX? BSL? ARN? Or none of the above...
102 Post contains images DAL767400ER : I suppose except for DXB, handling can be done by Skyteam partners already present at the respective airports. Correct, DL was out of Seoul a few yea
103 BigGSFO : Actually...it was PDX-SEL-TPE-BKK and LAX-ANC-HKG....both with L15's.
104 WorldTraveler : The ANC stop wasn't in the schedule but the flight ended up there half of the time ... as it did at OKA, TPE, NRT, NGO or anywhere else between LAX an
105 Aa54heavy : So how can North American fly to LOS from JFK, albeit not everyday, while DL, and CO, can't get the clearance, or balls, to fly there....what gives?
106 WorldTraveler : North American is a US airline so the issues have obviously been worked out. I suspect CO gave up trying to serve LOS and redeployed the aircraft. If
107 MAH4546 : The issues have far from been worked out. The Ngierian government is very corrupt. Just because North American has been granted the right to fly ther
108 WorldTraveler : What does corrupt have to do with whether the Nigerian government grants a US airline the right to fly there? Nigeria and the US have a treaty which a
109 Tpaewr : You'd be suprised what a "consulting fee" can get done there.
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