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User currently offlineCentrair From Japan, joined Jan 2005, 3598 posts, RR: 20
Posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 8412 times:

Since the last thread about this was deleted for some unknown reason....

Quote:
Northwest Airlines plans an expansion into Europe by adding two new destinations with daily nonstop flights from Metro Airport to Brussels, Belgium, and DuNsseldorf, Germany, and more flights to Amsterdam, Netherlands.

Detroit Free Press: Northwest Airlines to add DuNsseldorf, Brussels to routes

Quote:
Northwest Airlines Corp. is expanding its European service with new flights to Brussels, Belgium and Dusseldorf, Germany.

In addition, Northwest is offering the first and only nonstop service between Hartford, Conn., and Amsterdam in the Netherlands. Hartford will become the airline's 18th gateway to Europe through its Amsterdam hub, beginning July 1, 2007.

Bizjournals.com: Northwest expanding European service

Quote:
Northwest Airlines is expanding its European flight network with new service to Brussels, Belgium, and Dusseldorf, Germany.

The airline said Wednesday it will begin flights between Detroit and Brussels on May 7. Service from Detroit to Dusseldorf begins June 5.

Northwest also said that beginning July 1, it will begin offering nonstop service to Amsterdam from Hartford, Conn. It will be Hartford's only nonstop trans-Atlantic service.

Not in its international expansion plans: the Twin Cities. Northwest flies nonstop to London and Amsterdam from the Twin Cities, but none of the new flights will originate here. Minneapolis-St. Paul International Airport officials want to see more international service here to serve business travelers.

Pioneer Press: NWA adds three U.S.-Europe routes Detroit and Hartford, not Twin Cities, will gain new flights (Sorry AF777atMSP)


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User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7591 posts, RR: 27
Reply 1, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 8292 times:

Yeah? What happend to the huge thread from yesterday?

User currently offlineSNNUS From Ireland, joined Dec 2005, 134 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 8233 times:

yeah where is it gone!!!!!!!!

User currently offlineEasternSon From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 668 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 8223 times:

I read this morning that the routes will be handled by 10 upgraded B757 aircraft.

The upgrades include 16 new seats with new IFE & computer ports in First, arranged in a two aisle configuration.

The article went on to describe the 144 coach class seats arranged in a three aisle configuration:

"Coach will be configured with three aisles and 144 seats with 4 in. of additional pitch."

Does anyone have a schematic showing the three-aisle configuration? I didn't know there could be three aisles in a B757.

Thanks



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User currently offlineCentrair From Japan, joined Jan 2005, 3598 posts, RR: 20
Reply 4, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 8216 times:

Quoting EasternSon (Reply 3):
Does anyone have a schematic showing the three-aisle configuration? I didn't know there could be three aisles in a B757.

hahahah. Three Aisles in a 757 would mean no seats. Three-Aisle-three is what is meant.

By the way...with Y. Will there be any IFE. Some 757s had the in-seat headphone jack and there were the TVs. Or will people in Y get stuck with just the window. (I like the window...but at night...not too fun.)

[Edited 2006-10-12 15:00:38]


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User currently offlineEasternSon From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 668 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 8180 times:

I presumed they were wrong, but had to ask anyway.

The following came from the article I read regarding the First Class upgrade:

"The business class cabin will be reconfigured with two aisles and 16 new seats, providing passengers with portable on-demand IFE, 1.5 m. of personal space, a computer port and other amenities."

Thanks for the quick reply, by the way.



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User currently offlineMptpa From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 546 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 8166 times:

Quoting EasternSon (Reply 3):
Does anyone have a schematic showing the three-aisle configuration? I didn't know there could be three aisles in a B757.

It is NOT three aisle; thy reported as three-aisle-three implying 6-abreast seating!

I am hoping that the WBC would be the same seats as the ones in the A330 and B744 w/o AVOD. Does anyone know if this is the case?


User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7591 posts, RR: 27
Reply 7, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 8118 times:

Well we had a huge thread going on this yesterday that answered a lot of questions on the topic. Who knows why it was deleted anyways:

Summary:

NW Trans-Atlantic 757 Service to Begin Summer 2007:

DTW-DUS
DTW-BRU
DTW-AMS (additional 5th daily frequency)
BOS-AMS (additional 2nd daily frequency)
BDL-AMS
EWR-AMS (additional 2nd daily frequency alongside KLM service)

Upgrade 757 Fleet: up to 10 aircraft
Winglets
16 WBC seats - not the same seats as the 744/A330
Handheld IFE in WBC - not AVOD system
144 coach seats (removing 3 rows of coach, increasing seat pitch 3"-4"

Flight Schedule:
DTW-BRU: starts 5/7/07
Northwest Airlines 92
5:40pm Depart Detroit (DTW)
7:35am Arrive Brussels (BRU)

Northwest Airlines 91
10:00am Depart Brussels (BRU)
12:55pm Arrive Detroit (DTW)

DTW-DUS: starts 6/5/07
Northwest Airlines 94
9:30pm Depart Detroit (DTW)
11:30am Arrive Dusseldorf (DUS)

Northwest Airlines 93
1:00pm Depart Dusseldorf (DUS)
4:00pm Arrive Detroit (DTW)

BDL-AMS:
Northwest Airlines 98
5:45pm Depart Hartford/Springfield/Windsor Locks (BDL)
6:45am Arrive Amsterdam (AMS)

Northwest Airlines 97
1:30pm Depart Amsterdam (AMS)
3:30pm Arrive Hartford/Springfield/Windsor Locks (BDL)

BOS-AMS (in addition to existing daily A330-300 flight) starts 7/15/07
Northwest Airlines 60
10:00pm Depart Boston (BOS)
11:00am Arrive Amsterdam (AMS)

Northwest Airlines 59
8:10am Depart Amsterdam (AMS)
10:05am Arrive Boston (BOS)


DTW-AMS (in addition to existing 4 A330-300 flights) starts 6/1/07
*This flight did operates in summer 2004 as a DC-10
Northwest Airlines 36
10:00pm Depart Detroit (DTW)
11:55am Arrive Amsterdam (AMS)

Northwest Airlines 35
12:55pm Depart Amsterdam (AMS)
3:45pm Arrive Detroit (DTW)

EWR-AMS (in addition to KLM A330-200 flight)
Northwest Airlines 64
4:45pm Depart Newark (EWR)
6:10am Arrive Amsterdam (AMS)

Northwest Airlines 63
8:15am Depart Amsterdam (AMS)
10:40am Arrive Newark (EWR)


User currently offlineDTW757 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1567 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 8069 times:

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 1):
Yeah? What happend to the huge thread from yesterday?

That's what I'd like to know!



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User currently offline787KQ From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 549 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 8035 times:

Quoting Mptpa (Reply 6):
I am hoping that the WBC would be the same seats as the ones in the A330 and B744 w/o AVOD. Does anyone know if this is the case?

I had asked the same question in the now disappeared thread from yesterday. What happened to the thread and, more importantly, are the World Business Class seats the nice, new seats or the old style ones?


User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7546 posts, RR: 8
Reply 10, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 8037 times:

Quoting Mptpa (Reply 6):
I am hoping that the WBC would be the same seats as the ones in the A330 and B744 w/o AVOD. Does anyone know if this is the case?

No they will be somewhat of a hybrid, but not lie flat from what I understand.

Quoting Centrair (Reply 4):
Or will people in Y get stuck with just the window. (I like the window...but at night...not too fun.)

The whole plane is getting a new interior on it, including coach seating, as for the details as to what it will have I don't know.



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User currently offlineMexicana757 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 3042 posts, RR: 28
Reply 11, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 7914 times:

Quoting DTW757 (Reply 8):

I think we all would like to know what happened to the thread. It kind of disappeared half hour after I posted.

Here is the link to the press release from the NW website. http://www.nwa.com/corpinfo/newsc/2006/pr101120061711.html

Glad to see NW expand their European network. Are any other cities going to get the 757 service to AMS?


User currently offlineEIRules From Ireland, joined Aug 2007, 777 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 7889 times:

Hmm I asked in the old thread what the story was with flights to Ireland. There were very strong rumours NW were going to launch to thete using 757s. Anyone any ideas why this wasn't announced? Will it be? Are they waiting to see what will happen with the SNN stop over?


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User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7546 posts, RR: 8
Reply 13, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 7849 times:

Quoting EIRules (Reply 12):
Anyone any ideas why this wasn't announced?

Apparently this was just the first phase.

Quoting EIRules (Reply 12):
Are they waiting to see what will happen with the SNN stop over?

The SNN is apparently gone with DL announcing non-stop service to DUB.



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User currently offlineDTW757 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1567 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 7812 times:

Quoting EIRules (Reply 12):
Hmm I asked in the old thread what the story was with flights to Ireland. There were very strong rumours NW were going to launch to thete using 757s. Anyone any ideas why this wasn't announced? Will it be? Are they waiting to see what will happen with the SNN stop over?

I posted that in the old thread as well. I was wondering about the possibility of DTW-GLA, DTW-DUB, or DTW-SNN.

Also does anyone know why DUS was picked over what would seem to be larger German cities such as Berlin, Hamburg or Munich?



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User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7591 posts, RR: 27
Reply 15, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 7772 times:

Reason being that Berlin, Hamburg, & Munich are effectively beyond the range of the 757 from DTW.

User currently offlineSRT75 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 260 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 7713 times:

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 7):
144 coach seats (removing 3 rows of coach, increasing seat pitch 3"-4"

This is a great move by NW. Personally, I stopped flying AA (whenever possible) once they got rid of "more room throughout coach," and have been dedicated to UA's Economy Plus product. 31" on long legs can get pretty uncomfortable especially if you are travelling with luggage that goes under the seat in front of you.


User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7591 posts, RR: 27
Reply 17, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 7646 times:

Yes its a great move, but don't think that NW is doing this for passenger comfort. The primary reason for the increased seat pitch is the need to remove seats due to weight restrictions. In order to get the required range (primarily going westbound), the 757 would have to take payload restrictions. NW must have run the numbers to calculate the maximum effective load and decided to remove seats and improve comfort versus leave the seats empty. This is possible since this will be a dedicated sub-fleet of aircraft. Plus NW is hoping that the WBC demand along with low operating costs of the 757 will help to make up the reduction in coach seats.

User currently offlineSNNUS From Ireland, joined Dec 2005, 134 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 7484 times:

So 10 Aircraft for 6 routes is that about right?, what is the story with DUB/SNN?. I thought that was a dead cert for NW service or maybe the market is getting too saturated?

User currently offlineHumberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4920 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 7480 times:

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 7):
EWR-AMS (additional 2nd daily frequency alongside KLM service)

I thought NW where taking over KLM's flights so KLM could add an extra JFK flight?



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User currently offlineTripple7 From Netherlands, joined Aug 1999, 539 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 7404 times:

Quoting Humberside (Reply 19):
I thought NW where taking over KLM's flights so KLM could add an extra JFK flight?

AMS-EWR on KLM A332 is still in the systems for summer 2007


User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16870 posts, RR: 51
Reply 21, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 7189 times:

Quoting DTW757 (Reply 14):
Also does anyone know why DUS was picked over what would seem to be larger German cities such as Berlin, Hamburg or Munich?

DTW-DUS is as far as they can go with the 757, about 3,900 miles.

Will the NWA EWR-AMS flight be a 757?



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User currently offlineTripple7 From Netherlands, joined Aug 1999, 539 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 6978 times:

Quoting STT757 (Reply 21):
Will the NWA EWR-AMS flight be a 757?

Yes


User currently offlineNWA ARJ From United States of America, joined May 2001, 547 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 6576 times:

So I assume that they are flying these routes with the 752. Are they planning on getting these ETOPS certified?


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User currently offlineZRHnerd From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 6510 times:

Anyone bring NW to ZRH please!! Big grin

25 ERJ170 : Would anyone like to gander at what could possibly come with the next round(s) of european expansion? I have some that I would love to see, but I wil
26 DTW757 : Isn't that a requirement to use them on these routes?
27 Centrair : Was thinking about the range of a 757 from DTW. Then thought about the range from BDL. From DTW the farthest the NW757 can go is Western Spain, North
28 RicardoFG : ok, so in that massive thread from yesterday that no one from airliners can seem to explain what happened to it, I had asked about KL apparently addin
29 Tommy777 : Just what the world needs: Another airline using the 757 for long haul...
30 Christao17 : It is always good to hear about an airline expanding, but I've got to ask whether this makes sense. We're ending up with everyone (well, CO, DL and NW
31 Usdcaguy : There is a chance it will be hard for Northwest to compete on the routes given the undesirable size of the aircraft combined with the markets. Some ot
32 Isitsafenow : What bothers me is they are taking 10 757's out of domestic service and dont forget 5 or 6 A320 are getting ax(no pun intended, folks). NW is taking a
33 Burnsie28 : They could do that by flying NW from DTW-AMS-DUS if they wanted. They brought back all the 757's that were parked in the desert, so they are also add
34 Avianca : so the routing for 2 757 will be BOS-AMS-BDL-AMS-BOS....?? regards
35 Jetjack74 : A week ago in the Pioneer Press, analysts remarked that NWA was looking to reduce domestic capacity by 9 percent over next year. This will be through
36 Centrair : So NW is going to decrease its domestic and increase International. That will be good. By 2008 I would think this is going to go up as their widebody
37 PSU.DTW.SCE : Well, next year they are taking delivery of CRJ-900's, EMB-175's, and A330's. Plus, 15 CRJ-200's will be returning that were rejected during chapter 1
38 NASCARAirforce : What about the fifth DTW-AMS flight? Is that with a 757 or an A330?
39 Post contains links and images N808NW : here's the inside of 5636 (the NW 757 with winglets) the extra leg room will be nicer but, if they dont replace those old seats and upgrade those TVs
40 Centrair : Maybe for Y on these 757s, NW should invest in the seats that CX is using. That might be a little more attractive. Definately would make it a more com
41 Post contains links DTW757 : Perhaps nothing has been done yet to the interior to get it ready for these flights. I would think at the very least in coach class the TV's would st
42 TR1 : Does anyone know whether the 757-200 with winglets is capable of doing OSL-MSP? If it can, would a seasonal flight on that route be viable?
43 PSU.DTW.SCE : The interior modifications have not been made yet. They still have 6-7 months until trans-atlantic service is to begin. It is likely this subfleet of
44 Bobnwa : NWA likely will have inflight entertainment but I do not agree that they will not get many passengers without it. Whenever I fly Jet Blue, old Delta
45 Post contains images N808NW : Yeah, just a note...my pic above is before modifications obviously. -Jason
46 DTW757 : Given the choice of a DTW-AMS flight on a 330 with the IFE system or a 757 with no entertainment, I choose the 330. What routes do they use the TV's
47 Jetjack74 : Becuase we don't use the system within the lower 48 states and Alaska. Only from US Mainland-Hawaii flights. SEA/LAX/SFO/PDX-HNL, and SEA-OGG. The en
48 WorldTraveler : The growth over the Atlantic from US carriers is coming at the expense of European carriers. The US carriers have costs one-third or more lower than t
49 PSU.DTW.SCE : I am in agreement too, on flying the A330 versus the 757 between DTW-AMS. My one concern is the inconsistent product offering an a route like DTW-AMS.
50 Kdtwflyer : Bring back the B744 for NW68 DTW-AMS! If that plane had the new IFE in Y class that would be awesome. The notion of taking a narrowbody twinjet arcoss
51 SK601 : A few days ago I flew on a KL B747-400. To be honest, this was one of my worst KL flights in several ways. The (brand new !) A330-200 on the first le
52 Tommy777 : There's one isle, my friend and no room around the galley/bathrooms on the 757. Around 150 passengers in coach on the 757 is only a little less in co
53 Ejmmsu : There are not complimentary elite upgrades on international flights on NW
54 Jetjack74 : There will be video entertainment on the 757's. The VTR's on the 5600 series aircraft can be easily reactivated. The 5500's are the only ones where t
55 Admluvs2fly : I understand that NW will be retrofitting 10 757s . What about the other 4? Aren't there going to be 4 more routes? Or are they going to be back ups.
56 Cgnnrw : Although the these cities have smaller populations, the catchment area of NRW (North-Rhine Westfalia) is about 16 million, making it Germany's most p
57 Tripple7 : Furthermore, DUS is more easy reachable from the Eastern / South-Eastern regions of the Netherlands by car than AMS. Probably they will draw some loy
58 DTW757 : Great information....Thanks
59 Kdtwflyer : Now that they have been offering a fully interactive IFE product on the A333, having the option between a narrowbody with VTR or an widebody with ful
60 PSU.DTW.SCE : Yes, but say you are in GRB now. Your option for going to DUS now is GRB-DTW-AMS-DUS. Now, this new flight gives you the option of going GRB-DTW-DUS,
61 Centrair : All of this is pretty exciting. The next few years are going to be awesome at NW. We have winglets on 757s opening up new routes to Europe A new non-s
62 Jetjack74 : Well, if they can get passed the inconvenience pretaining to the lack of the legroom you have on the A330, or DC10, the 757 can be quicker to board a
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