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DL: 10 Flights To Italy Next Summer From USA  
User currently offlineNycfly75 From Italy, joined Aug 2005, 760 posts, RR: 9
Posted (8 years 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 4835 times:

All existing summer flights seem to have been confirmed for next summer plus the new JFK-PSA. In total DL will offer 10 flights. LAst summer DL had 717,000 available seats to Italy for the summer season with 619,000 total pax, an 86.6% LF. Geez AZ missed the boat that DL took to Italy.  banghead 

http://www.guidaviaggi.it/detail.las...=givi:5702A1FC18b56253B4PMG19536EF

[Edited 2006-10-12 15:32:20]

[Edited 2006-10-12 15:33:43]

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User currently offlinePanamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4927 posts, RR: 25
Reply 1, posted (8 years 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 4775 times:
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Not surprising considering that Glenn Hauenstein, Delta's head of Network Planning and Revenue Management used to work for a short period at AZ (in between his job at CO and his current one at DL)...he knows the Italian market pretty well...

User currently offlineSLCUT2777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 4106 posts, RR: 11
Reply 2, posted (8 years 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 4775 times:

Quoting Nycfly75 (Thread starter):
Geez AZ missed the boat that DL took to Italy. banghead 

AZ has missed the boat more often than anyone can imagine! They do code-share with DL on many of the higher O&D U.S. routes and immediate connecting flights. Even SLC has a couple of AZ/DL code-shares. It seams that's the only way they know how to do business coming into the U.S., but then I wouldn't expect anything different from a government run socialist enterprise like AZ. If AZ ever became an investor run airline like the real world, then perhaps they would quit missing that very boat!  airplane   idea 



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User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (8 years 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 4618 times:

Quoting Panamair (Reply 1):
Not surprising considering that Glenn Hauenstein, Delta's head of Network Planning and Revenue Management used to work for a short period at AZ (in between his job at CO and his current one at DL)...he knows the Italian market pretty well...

Good point. Besides which, given AZ's rather questionable state, it certainly isn't too bad to establish oneself as the future transatlantic carrier of choice for Italian pax, especially those outside of Rome and Milan, should AZ actually ever be forced to stop operating.


User currently offlineLIPZ From Austria, joined Jun 2006, 1075 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (8 years 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 4571 times:

114,000 in Business Class, really good!

10 flights to Italy for S07, it means DL 32/33, DL 70/71, DL 74/75, DL 76/77, DL 84/85, DL 136/137, DL 149/150, DL 151/152, DL 160/161, DL 162/163.


User currently offlineBAW716 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 2028 posts, RR: 27
Reply 5, posted (8 years 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 4353 times:

SLCUT2777 quote:
AZ has missed the boat more often than anyone can imagine! They do code-share with DL on many of the higher O&D U.S. routes and immediate connecting flights. Even SLC has a couple of AZ/DL code-shares. It seams that's the only way they know how to do business coming into the U.S., but then I wouldn't expect anything different from a government run socialist enterprise like AZ. If AZ ever became an investor run airline like the real world, then perhaps they would quit missing that very boat!

You have hit the nail exactly on the head. Alitalia has always oriented itself to do business from Italy before bringing business to Italy. This has much to do with the government being involved, the concept being Alitalia is for Italians. This is a strategy for failure...the only way AZ will ever get out of this morass is a) the government gets out and b) the unions get out and c) an external organization...American, Brit or German come in and run the airline the way it should be run. Of course, this is like turning a battleship without a rudder.

baw716



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User currently offlineOOer From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 1483 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (8 years 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 4182 times:

Quoting Nycfly75 (Thread starter):
Geez AZ missed the boat that DL took to Italy.

Not just AZ...but also UA/CO/US/AA and the list goes on and on!!!!!

I am surprised UA doesnt start Italy flight again....


User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (8 years 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 4009 times:

Quoting BAW716 (Reply 5):
You have hit the nail exactly on the head. Alitalia has always oriented itself to do business from Italy before bringing business to Italy. This has much to do with the government being involved, the concept being Alitalia is for Italians. This is a strategy for failure...the only way AZ will ever get out of this morass is a) the government gets out and b) the unions get out and c) an external organization...American, Brit or German come in and run the airline the way it should be run. Of course, this is like turning a battleship without a rudder.

I'd say hell will freeze over before the Italian government stays out of AZ's business. That said, their dual hub strategy, with numerous duplicating routes is certainly not helpful to their business. They have to finally decide one airport to use as a true hub, say MXP, and keep the other focused on O&D pax wanting to visit the city. Doesn't have to be by cutting routes, but adapting frequencies would certainly be a start.


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