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Emirates To Fly Hamburg To New York  
User currently offlineSemsem From Israel, joined Jul 2005, 1779 posts, RR: 3
Posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 11116 times:

Emirates will start Hamburg to New York flights. I think CO operates this service to Newark. I wonder whether this will impact CO badly or not.

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User currently offlineQFSYD744 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 11108 times:

This news is nearly 6 months old...

User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 2, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 11060 times:

Quoting Semsem (Thread starter):
Emirates will start Hamburg to New York flights.

It's been announced for a while and will start on October 29th according to emirates.com. The equipment will be a 77W, which is a major capacity over CO's 752. EK will use their 5th Freedom Rights out of HAM and the flights are to be direct on the DXB-HAM and HAM-JFK route and they will be well timed, so that the current DXB-HAM-DXB schedule is maintained.

Quoting Semsem (Thread starter):
I think CO operates this service to Newark.

Correct, CO is flying HAM-EWR while EK will fly to JFK.

Quoting Semsem (Thread starter):
I wonder whether this will impact CO badly or not.

Who knows. If EK has success with HAM-JFK, CO might have to think over their priorities and it could prove that HAM has become a very viable option for Transatlantic flights in general.


User currently offlineSwissA330 From Switzerland, joined Mar 2002, 613 posts, RR: 15
Reply 3, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 10710 times:

Old news, but still an interesting move by emirates....


swissair/+/ we care
User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5925 posts, RR: 37
Reply 4, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 10675 times:

btw they have good fares on the flights, nearly the cheapest. much more cheaper than LH via MUC or FRA,

EK good luck, (also I am seeing good cargo loads on the flight)



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User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 10599 times:

Quoting Avianca (Reply 4):
btw they have good fares on the flights, nearly the cheapest. much more cheaper than LH via MUC or FRA,

Of course they have, that's their only chance to even remotely fill up 400+ seats each way on a daily basis.


User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5925 posts, RR: 37
Reply 6, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 10590 times:

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 5):
Of course they have, that's their only chance to even remotely fill up 400+ seats each way on a daily basis.

all 400 seats are not to be filled in HAM, a big part comes already from DXB....



Colombia es el Mundo Y el Mundo es Colombia
User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 10580 times:

Quoting Avianca (Reply 6):
all 400 seats are not to be filled in HAM, a big part comes already from DXB....

Oh yeah, I forgot, those 800 seats EK offers on DXB-JFK are simply not enough to cover that huge market...


User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5925 posts, RR: 37
Reply 8, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 10555 times:

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 7):
Oh yeah, I forgot, those 800 seats EK offers on DXB-JFK are simply not enough to cover that huge market...

true, always asked me why DXB does not offer connection's in DXB and just offers DXB as final destination.......  Wink



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User currently offlineDZ09 From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 491 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 10477 times:

Here are choices.
NYC-HAM on a Co 757
NYC-HAM with LH ( not sure if this route exists)
NYC-HAM with EK on a comfortable T7.

I think the choice is clear, EK.....


User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21534 posts, RR: 59
Reply 10, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 10462 times:

Quoting DZ09 (Reply 9):
I think the choice is clear, EK.....

But is it as clear LAX-HAM? MHT-HAM? CLE-HAM? EK offers JFK as a destination with a chance to connect to another carrier. CO offers EWR as a destination and a direct connecting city. We'll see how this works. My one flight HAM-EWR had many people connecting onward, some who were on my EWR-LAX leg.



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User currently offlineDZ09 From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 491 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 10454 times:

One more reason why EK has to join an airline alliance, preferably SkyTeam or have some kind of codeshare agreement with a US carrier. If Emirates management was in the hands of american executives, there would be no stopping to this airline.

User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21534 posts, RR: 59
Reply 12, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 10447 times:

Quoting DZ09 (Reply 11):
One more reason why EK has to join an airline alliance, preferably SkyTeam or have some kind of codeshare agreement with a US carrier.

Why? Emirates partners with a huge number of airlines. Why join an alliance and make that harder?



Of all the things to worry about... the Wookie has no pants.
User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5925 posts, RR: 37
Reply 13, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 10388 times:

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 10):
EK offers JFK as a destination with a chance to connect to another carrier.

the travel agency's are selling combined tickets.

For example HAM-JFK with EK connecting to BOS with AA or DL....

attached a example

_________________________

Hinflug: Fr 20 April 07, 1 Stopp/s
Flugdauer: 12:33
Abflug: Terminal 1, Hamburg (HAM),
Hamburg, Deutschland
15:25 Fr

Ankunft: Terminal 4, John F Kennedy Int'l (JFK),
New York, USA
18:05 Fr

Direktflug
Emirates (EK 205) >
Flugzeugtyp - 77W

Economy (Sondertarife)


E-Ticket verfügbar Mehr Infos

Umsteigeverbindung:


Von:

Nach:


18:05 Fr - 20:30 Fr
Wechsel des Flugzeugs und Terminals
Terminal 4, John F Kennedy Int'l (JFK),
New York, USA
Terminal 3, John F Kennedy Int'l (JFK),
New York, USA
Dauer des Zwischenstopps: 2h25

Abflug: Terminal 3, John F Kennedy Int'l (JFK),
New York, USA
20:30 Fr

Ankunft: Terminal A, Logan Int'l (BOS),
Boston, USA
21:58 Fr

Direktflug
Delta Air Lines (DL 5522) >
Flugzeugtyp - CRJ

Economy (Sondertarife)
Ausgeführt von Comair


E-Ticket verfügbar Mehr Infos

Rückflug: Do 26 April 07, 1 Stopp/s
Flugdauer: 11:00
Abflug: Terminal B, Logan Int'l (BOS),
Boston, USA
20:25 Do

Ankunft: Terminal 9, John F Kennedy Int'l (JFK),
New York, USA
21:34 Do

Direktflug
American Airlines (AA 4617) >
Flugzeugtyp - ERD

Economy (Sondertarife)


E-Ticket verfügbar Mehr Infos

Umsteigeverbindung:


Von:

Nach:


21:34 Do - 23:15 Do
Wechsel des Flugzeugs und Terminals
Terminal 9, John F Kennedy Int'l (JFK),
New York, USA
Terminal 4, John F Kennedy Int'l (JFK),
New York, USA
Dauer des Zwischenstopps: 1h41

Abflug: Terminal 4, John F Kennedy Int'l (JFK),
New York, USA
23:15 Do

Ankunft: Terminal 2, Hamburg (HAM),
Hamburg, Deutschland
13:25 Fr

Direktflug
Emirates (EK 206) >
Flugzeugtyp - 77W

Economy (Sondertarife)


E-Ticket verfügbar Mehr Infos



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User currently offlineQFSYD744 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 10305 times:

Quoting DZ09 (Reply 9):
NYC-HAM with LH ( not sure if this route exists)

This flight ended a number of years ago..


User currently offlineZKNEA From New Zealand, joined Dec 2005, 151 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 10227 times:

Quoting DZ09 (Reply 11):
If Emirates management was in the hands of american executives, there would be no stopping to this airline.

As recent USA airline history would show


User currently offlineNZ767 From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 1620 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 10064 times:

Quoting DZ09 (Reply 11):
If Emirates management was in the hands of american executives, there would be no stopping to this airline.

Yep. No stopping Chapter 11.  Smile


User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21534 posts, RR: 59
Reply 17, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 9765 times:

Quoting Avianca (Reply 13):
the travel agency's are selling combined tickets.

did you really need to post that whole thing?  Wink

as for the one ticket thing, who's going to compensate the pax when one flight is late and they miss the connection? does EK have a codeshare with AA and DL?



Of all the things to worry about... the Wookie has no pants.
User currently offlineKevin777 From Denmark, joined Sep 2006, 1165 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 9719 times:

Quoting Semsem (Thread starter):
Emirates will start Hamburg to New York flights. I think CO operates this service to Newark. I wonder whether this will impact CO badly or not.

Bad, of course! a HUGE increase in capacity by a competitor couldn't be much else...  Wink

(regarding cheap EK fares HAM-JFK)

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 5):
Of course they have, that's their only chance to even remotely fill up 400+ seats each way on a daily basis.



Quoting Avianca (Reply 6):
all 400 seats are not to be filled in HAM, a big part comes already from DXB....

Yeah right...! Only those two DXB-JFK pax who missed their nonstop DXB-JFK flight are on the DXB-HAM-JFK..

And yeah, fares are crazy, I've seen a little over 200 Euros return HAM-JFK... btw many airlines an TA's alike in Denmark have added HAM as a departing city along with the usual Danish departure options (CPH and BLL primarily).. don't think this has got much to do with EK in particular though

Personally, I'd much rather fly a 777 than a 757 over the pond (daaah, look at my username..), however, CO still offers slightly wider seats than EK in economy (3-4-3 in a 777.. uuuhhhhh.. but nice inflight otherwise on EK it seems)..

Kevin777



"I was waiting for you at DFW, but you must have been in LUV" CPH-HAM-CPH CR9
User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25459 posts, RR: 22
Reply 19, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 9559 times:

Quoting DZ09 (Reply 9):
Here are choices.
NYC-HAM on a Co 757
NYC-HAM with LH ( not sure if this route exists)
NYC-HAM with EK on a comfortable T7.

I think the choice is clear, EK.....

"Comfortable EK T7"? Maybe in F and J but certainly not in Y with their cramped 10-abreast seating.

Do any other 777 operators have 10-abreast in Y class? I can't think of any.

But since EK's fares in the back of the bus are often the lowest, that's all most passengers seem to care about these days.

It always amazes me that EK is able to get away with such an uncompetitive seating configuration on their 777s.

P.S. LH doesn't operate HAM-NYC nonstop, just via their FRA and MUC hubs. If memory correct, in B707 days in the 1960s/70s they did operate nonstop for a few years. I believe DL also operated JFK-HAM nonstop before 9/11.


User currently onlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12593 posts, RR: 25
Reply 20, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 9556 times:

Quoting Semsem (Thread starter):
Emirates To Fly Hamburg To New York

Why? Isn't there enough Hamburg in New York already?  biggrin 



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User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 21, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 9494 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 19):
I believe DL also operated JFK-HAM nonstop before 9/11.

DL inherited the route from PA if I recall correctly. That being said, given that they're going for an major international expansion, why isn't DL considering a return to HAM? Doesn't have to be from NYC but it could also be from ATL if the O&D traffic is there to support the route.


User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 22, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 9423 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 19):

Do any other 777 operators have 10-abreast in Y class? I can't think of any.

TG does on their 777's....and welcome to A.net. Smile



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User currently offlineSemsem From Israel, joined Jul 2005, 1779 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 9315 times:

I believe if you fly Emirates they give Delta and United Airlines miles. I am sure the food and comfort will be a zillion times better than CO 757.

User currently offline28thguy From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 114 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 9282 times:

Quoting Semsem (Reply 23):
I believe if you fly Emirates they give Delta and United Airlines miles. I am sure the food and comfort will be a zillion times better than CO 757.

I thought Emirates 777 are 3+4+3 (instead of 3+3+3 on DL or CO)?


25 Post contains images Jacobin777 : Sure, but CO flies a 3+3 on a 757 with 3' less seat pitch...and only 1/2 inch more seat width...
26 Ikramerica : Are all EK 777 seats 34" pitch? I thought that some were 33 or 32". And I think CO is less than 0.25" wider. And no AVOD yet.
27 Avianca : wrong! lower yield passengers will be routed via the dxb-ham-jfk flight. cheers
28 Jacobin777 : While I don't think all the 772's are, certainly all the 773ER's are....both 2 and 3-class 773ER's...
29 Post contains images DAL767400ER : The agreement between DL and EK will end sometime this year. Yeah, routing low-yield pax on one flight is certainly making that flight more profitabl
30 PlaneHunter : Ever checked EK's network from DXB? The seating is not as bad as often claimed on this board. I've just flown BNE-SIN-DXB-MUC on B773 and B772ER and
31 Nycaross : In 1969, I flew LH B707 JFK to MUC which first stopped in HAM, then JFK to MUC was rerouted over CGN and a few years later over DUS before finally bec
32 Post contains images Avianca : you can be sure that EK knows what they are doing, but who know maybe they are in some years in the same position like DL in ch.11
33 DZ09 : When the US has a cold the rest of the world has pneumonia. My point was that considering all the problems civil aviation faces in the US, like labor
34 EddieDude : Grrrr. That sucks big time. Do you have any clue when the mileage accrual/redemption agreement will end exactly?
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