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Cathay Revolutionizing The Economy Class Seat  
User currently offlineLeelaw From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 14274 times:

Cathay Pacific Airways will be introducing next year a new economy class seat with a unique fixed back design which will allow passengers to recline without intruding on the space of passengers sitting behind...



http://www.bizbuzzmedia.com/blogs/airline/archive/2006/10/11/4932.aspx

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User currently offlineMPDPilot From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 993 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 14115 times:

those look very comfortable I wish the US airlines would offer economy like that, especially on those cross country flights


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User currently offlinePlanemanofnz From New Zealand, joined Sep 2005, 1676 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 14080 times:

Well I just flew back home this week on Cathay, LHR-HKG-AKL and the current seat was comfortable enough for me, it was only the leg room which I didn't like. Will the seat pitch be changing with these new seats?

User currently offlineVirgin744 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 919 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 13996 times:

I'm suprised the fixed back design isn't already a standard feature these days. As Cathay explains "The recline button enables the seat bottom to slide forward while the back recedes into the shell. To return to upright position, simply slide the seat back"

I hope other airlines look at bringing in this new seat design too, in the not-too-distant future..


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User currently offlineSkyvanMan From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 224 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 13996 times:

I don't see anyhting about increased seat pithc, though I htink that hte legroom wil lhave to increase solely because theyhave fixed backs and therefore that fixed back must sitll allow enough space for people to board. Cathay also claims that the seat design allows for more knee and leg room.

BTW I just looked again and saw they have implemented 3 point seat belts for incrased safety. I'm sure some poeple will complain about that but personally I welcome it, especially since it is convertible to 2 point during flight.

[Edited 2006-10-13 01:29:45]


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User currently offlineGokmengs From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1123 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 13940 times:

I really think every FF should applaud CX for this move, even if they fly Y or J. The fact that people can ridicilously recline their seat(I never recline all the way) even at meal times, and the person behind them won't be bothered by that deserves an award Smile


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User currently offlineJonty From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2004, 226 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 13941 times:

They have this design on the seats on long distance trains on spain! the only annoying thing is that since the seat slides forward you end up with less leg room! but it is good how you don't end up with a seat back in your face!

The work well on the RENFE trains as you allready have enormous ammounts of leg room to start with! Gotta love the AVE / Altaria!


User currently offlineDZ09 From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 491 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 13874 times:

I believe Emirates has this feature already. As the back reclines the seat moves forward. the whole seat basically pivots. It still intrudes into the space of the seat behind.

User currently offlineRedFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4331 posts, RR: 28
Reply 8, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 13800 times:

There was another thread on this a couple of weeks ago but it's good to talk about these new seats. I think they're pretty revolutionary and will set CX apart from other carriers. I love CX. I fly them every time I go to Asia.


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User currently offlineOxygen From Hong Kong, joined Sep 1999, 674 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 13665 times:

Quoting DZ09 (Reply 7):
I believe Emirates has this feature already. As the back reclines the seat moves forward. the whole seat basically pivots. It still intrudes into the space of the seat behind.

I think what you are mentioning is the seat having its pivot raised so that the seat base slides forward slightly forward when reclining. Actually many airlines has that feature now- Cathay has that in its now most up to date economy class seats (on the A340-600, newer A330, A340, 747-400 and 777-300).

That seat is in fact manufactured by Koito, which means that many other airlines has that feature too- I can think of VS, Thai, Dragonair, SAS, Japan Airlines .....


User currently offlineXwizard From Hong Kong, joined Feb 2004, 97 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 13647 times:

Quoting Oxygen (Reply 9):
Cathay has that in its now most up to date economy class seats (on the A340-600, newer A330, A340, 747-400 and 777-300).

Having recently flown on one of CX's A340-600 on the LHR-HKG leg, they need to do something with the seat pitch if this is really going to be an improvement for Y class passengers - but as that will mean the loss of a couple of rows of seats I'm not holding my breath.


User currently offlineChristao17 From Thailand, joined Apr 2005, 941 posts, RR: 8
Reply 11, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 13533 times:

Increased pitch would be nice, but I can live with 31-32" pitch if the person in front of me doesn't recline into my space. It's when they recline that the claustrophobia kicks in!


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User currently offlineDZ09 From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 491 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 13524 times:

Quoting Christao17 (Reply 11):
Increased pitch would be nice, but I can live with 31-32" pitch if the person in front of me doesn't recline into my space. It's when they recline that the claustrophobia kicks in!

Going back to the poor fat guy. Would you rather sit next to a fat guy or behind a person who is almost sitting on your lap?


User currently offlinePilotdude09 From Australia, joined May 2005, 1777 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 13394 times:

I also notice that they are introducing 3 point seatbelts. But those magazine spaces would be annoying under your legs.


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User currently offlineChrisrad From Australia, joined Dec 2000, 1069 posts, RR: 8
Reply 14, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 13296 times:

I'm not sure what the difference in the seat sliding forward towards the seat in front of you or the seat reclining towards you makes such a big difference, in both cases you loose legroom, something which CX has none of.


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User currently offlineSingapore_Air From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13742 posts, RR: 19
Reply 15, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 13228 times:

From the pictures that this airline has publicly shown, the legroom does indeed seem plentiful.

I tried similar seats made by Sicma recently. As I reclined, there didn't seem to be much recline at all. At full recline my knees hit the seat in front (and I'm not overly tall).

The seats at the time were configured in 31" pitch. It wasn't great for one minute, let alone a few hours.

I suspect we'll see 33" pitch or more here.



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User currently offlineSQ772 From Singapore, joined Nov 2001, 1792 posts, RR: 5
Reply 16, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 13026 times:

Tried the fixed back Y seat some years ago during the Asian Aerospace... the seat basically slides lower. The recline is less and you still get that claustrophic feeling as you now move closer to the seat infront of you instead of the reverse.

I'm looking forward to Singapore Airline's new inflight products that will be launched in Singapore next week! These products will come with the 777-300ER - set to join the fleet by the end of the year.

Have been unable to get any details on how the new First and Business products will look like, but from those who have actually seen the product (but are bound by NDA), their comments have been "Totally blew me away" and "Very different from what other airlines are currently having"....

As for Y seats, I'm sure there will be minor enhancements, but I wouldn't bet on anything revolutionary.



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User currently offlineSingapore_Air From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13742 posts, RR: 19
Reply 17, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 12890 times:

Quoting SQ772 (Reply 16):
The recline is less and you still get that claustrophic feeling as you now move closer to the seat infront of you instead of the reverse.

It hadn't really crossed my mind but I asked the Head of Differentiation at Boeing what he thought.

He said that while you may (hopefully) or may not get more personal space, the fixed back acts on a psychological feeling that if you are reclining, you are cramping yourself into a smaller space, rather than someone forcing a smaller space on you.

Intriguing.



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User currently offlineCloudyapple From Hong Kong, joined Jul 2005, 2454 posts, RR: 10
Reply 18, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 12263 times:

http://www.airliners.net/discussions...general_aviation/read.main/3001581


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User currently offlineN754PR From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 12177 times:

Cathay for sure did a 1st here, I like Cathay but the leg room is a bitch for me so this looks good news. The non moving seat back and the magazine holder now located under your seat should help.

User currently offlineJush From Germany, joined Apr 2005, 1636 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 11854 times:

pitch will decrease as you slide the seat forward to recline. I cannot accept that further reduction hey I'm 6'4" ..

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jush



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User currently offlineBAtriple7 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 227 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 10479 times:

Naah, these seats are awful. Have tried them on some ES train services in Italy and elsewhere in Europe, they are uncomfortable, the seats kinda just slide up and down, and as Jush mentioned, the pitch decreases the further forward you go.

User currently offlineMadairdrie From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2006, 119 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 10375 times:

To those who mention the reduced space when you recline in these seats - at least it is you who decided to decrease the space as opposed to the person sitting in front of you, who you have no control over. Means you now have complete control over your space.
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User currently offlineUA933 From Germany, joined Feb 2006, 220 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 10346 times:

These seats are used on some trains (e.g. Eurostar Italy) and are very uncomfortable.


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User currently offlineBAtriple7 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 227 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 10269 times:

Quoting UA933 (Reply 23):
These seats are used on some trains (e.g. Eurostar Italy) and are very uncomfortable.

 checkmark  see my post above

Quoting Madairdrie (Reply 22):
least it is you who decided to decrease the space as opposed to the person sitting in front of you, who you have no control over

Except that in airline seats if the person in front of you reclines, your legroom pitch does not decrease!!!


25 Airbus_A340 : Spoke to the people demonstrating the new CX product at Cathay City and they said as a result of these new seats, they have to take out a few seats f
26 Myt332 : Virgin Trains use them in First class in the UK. They're not really that great and I've never managed to get any sleep in them. However, train seats u
27 Xfeed : Yes I agree... CP "Alfa Pendular" train service in Portugal also use this kind of seats, and they are very uncomfortable. I really prefer normal seat
28 Keesje : I once proposed this concept to Recaro 8/9 yrs ago, they reacted "we know better", I still have the sketches somewhere.
29 N754PR : Question, how many of you have tried them? 1) the seats does move forward but the magazine rack has gone so there is extra space. 2) As mentioned abov
30 747srule : I work for the company that makes these!
31 Singapore_Air : Oh wonderful. Do you know what pitch is planned for these seats on this particular airline and what weight savings there are versus 2000-esque Y seat
32 Hb88 : I'd definitely put up with less legroom to not have to put up with that claustraphobic feeling when the guy in front reclines. It always seems to be m
33 Flybyguy : I think 3 point belts are now a necessity in the Cathay Pacific design because of the close proximity of the hard shells in economy. I can only imagi
34 Wahoo : Really, Have you had the opportunity to actually sit in one? If so, are the comfortable? Does your company have a brochure for sales and or promotion
35 N43W79 : I have sat in this seat before, and let me tell you it is NOT comfortable for anyone taller than 6ft. There is no leg room at 32" of pitch. They need
36 Singapore_Air : Did you feel that the recline was marginal? I wasn't too impressed with the seat that I tried. Anyway, I'm shorter than 6ft so I didn't feel like the
37 Zudnic : You point out one of the reasons why I would choose against an airline with this design. As a tall guy, I am much more willing to accept the seatback
38 Bluewhale18210 : Believe me, as soon as the seat slides forward some legs are going to be cramped. As part of CI's new cabin design the seat in Y now slides forward, t
39 Post contains images RedFlyer : Pick your poison...seat back in your face or less legroom. Personally, I prefer less legroom because at least I can move around and work or watch vid
40 AirWillie6475 : I don't care if you have captain seats in coach class, unless you have more seat pitch it's not going to make a difference. I was in a 6 hour flight a
41 Post contains images RedFlyer : It will psychologically. Why do you think people in general don't complain or get claustrophobic sitting in a narrow tube flying at 40,000 feet and 6
42 Areopagus : Those nice thick, adjustable headrests look like they will be quite nice for short to medium people. For taller people, they could be a disaster, as t
43 787KQ : Any clear pictures of the seats in action on trains or a link to the manufacturer's pictures?
44 N754PR : Yep, they are a very very good airline. Just wish I could fly them more. When people TRY these seats I'm sure they will find the legroom improved, ho
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