Leelaw From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 14835 times:
Cathay Pacific Airways will be introducing next year a new economy class seat with a unique fixed back design which will allow passengers to recline without intruding on the space of passengers sitting behind...
Planemanofnz From New Zealand, joined Sep 2005, 1676 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 14641 times:
Well I just flew back home this week on Cathay, LHR-HKG-AKL and the current seat was comfortable enough for me, it was only the leg room which I didn't like. Will the seat pitch be changing with these new seats?
Virgin744 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 921 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 14557 times:
I'm suprised the fixed back design isn't already a standard feature these days. As Cathay explains "The recline button enables the seat bottom to slide forward while the back recedes into the shell. To return to upright position, simply slide the seat back"
I hope other airlines look at bringing in this new seat design too, in the not-too-distant future..
SkyvanMan From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 224 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 14557 times:
I don't see anyhting about increased seat pithc, though I htink that hte legroom wil lhave to increase solely because theyhave fixed backs and therefore that fixed back must sitll allow enough space for people to board. Cathay also claims that the seat design allows for more knee and leg room.
BTW I just looked again and saw they have implemented 3 point seat belts for incrased safety. I'm sure some poeple will complain about that but personally I welcome it, especially since it is convertible to 2 point during flight.
[Edited 2006-10-13 01:29:45]
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Gokmengs From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1146 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 14501 times:
I really think every FF should applaud CX for this move, even if they fly Y or J. The fact that people can ridicilously recline their seat(I never recline all the way) even at meal times, and the person behind them won't be bothered by that deserves an award
Jonty From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2004, 226 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 14502 times:
They have this design on the seats on long distance trains on spain! the only annoying thing is that since the seat slides forward you end up with less leg room! but it is good how you don't end up with a seat back in your face!
The work well on the RENFE trains as you allready have enormous ammounts of leg room to start with! Gotta love the AVE / Altaria!
RedFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4462 posts, RR: 27
Reply 8, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 14361 times:
There was another thread on this a couple of weeks ago but it's good to talk about these new seats. I think they're pretty revolutionary and will set CX apart from other carriers. I love CX. I fly them every time I go to Asia.
Oxygen From Hong Kong, joined Sep 1999, 675 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 14226 times:
Quoting DZ09 (Reply 7): I believe Emirates has this feature already. As the back reclines the seat moves forward. the whole seat basically pivots. It still intrudes into the space of the seat behind.
I think what you are mentioning is the seat having its pivot raised so that the seat base slides forward slightly forward when reclining. Actually many airlines has that feature now- Cathay has that in its now most up to date economy class seats (on the A340-600, newer A330, A340, 747-400 and 777-300).
That seat is in fact manufactured by Koito, which means that many other airlines has that feature too- I can think of VS, Thai, Dragonair, SAS, Japan Airlines .....
Xwizard From Hong Kong, joined Feb 2004, 97 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 14208 times:
Quoting Oxygen (Reply 9): Cathay has that in its now most up to date economy class seats (on the A340-600, newer A330, A340, 747-400 and 777-300).
Having recently flown on one of CX's A340-600 on the LHR-HKG leg, they need to do something with the seat pitch if this is really going to be an improvement for Y class passengers - but as that will mean the loss of a couple of rows of seats I'm not holding my breath.
DZ09 From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 493 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 14085 times:
Quoting Christao17 (Reply 11): Increased pitch would be nice, but I can live with 31-32" pitch if the person in front of me doesn't recline into my space. It's when they recline that the claustrophobia kicks in!
Going back to the poor fat guy. Would you rather sit next to a fat guy or behind a person who is almost sitting on your lap?
Chrisrad From Australia, joined Dec 2000, 1080 posts, RR: 8
Reply 14, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 13857 times:
I'm not sure what the difference in the seat sliding forward towards the seat in front of you or the seat reclining towards you makes such a big difference, in both cases you loose legroom, something which CX has none of.
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SQ772 From Singapore, joined Nov 2001, 1811 posts, RR: 5
Reply 16, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 13587 times:
Tried the fixed back Y seat some years ago during the Asian Aerospace... the seat basically slides lower. The recline is less and you still get that claustrophic feeling as you now move closer to the seat infront of you instead of the reverse.
I'm looking forward to Singapore Airline's new inflight products that will be launched in Singapore next week! These products will come with the 777-300ER - set to join the fleet by the end of the year.
Have been unable to get any details on how the new First and Business products will look like, but from those who have actually seen the product (but are bound by NDA), their comments have been "Totally blew me away" and "Very different from what other airlines are currently having"....
As for Y seats, I'm sure there will be minor enhancements, but I wouldn't bet on anything revolutionary.
Singapore_Air From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13753 posts, RR: 18
Reply 17, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 13451 times:
Quoting SQ772 (Reply 16): The recline is less and you still get that claustrophic feeling as you now move closer to the seat infront of you instead of the reverse.
It hadn't really crossed my mind but I asked the Head of Differentiation at Boeing what he thought.
He said that while you may (hopefully) or may not get more personal space, the fixed back acts on a psychological feeling that if you are reclining, you are cramping yourself into a smaller space, rather than someone forcing a smaller space on you.
BAtriple7 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 227 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 11040 times:
Naah, these seats are awful. Have tried them on some ES train services in Italy and elsewhere in Europe, they are uncomfortable, the seats kinda just slide up and down, and as Jush mentioned, the pitch decreases the further forward you go.
Madairdrie From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2006, 119 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 10936 times:
To those who mention the reduced space when you recline in these seats - at least it is you who decided to decrease the space as opposed to the person sitting in front of you, who you have no control over. Means you now have complete control over your space.