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User currently offlineEasyjetset From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2006, 16 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 3808 times:

Does anyone else feel that some of Jet2 route decisions are questionable?
I am a fan of the airline however even some friends who are crew for them re starting to wonder why certain routes/frequencies are being launched?


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User currently offlineSam1987 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 946 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 3802 times:

Quoting Easyjetset (Thread starter):
Does anyone else feel that some of Jet2 route decisions are questionable?

Yes.

As I've said on this website before, they fly from MAN to LGW (competing with BA), but they don't fly from LBA to LGW (which is currently not served, but is needed urgently).

All this expansion at BFS and MAN is rather surprising too; what about LBA, NCL and BPL?



Next flights: LGW-LBA-LGW, LHR-SIN-SYD, SYD-BKK-LHR, LGW-GRO, GRO-CIA, CIA-MAD, MAD-LGW
User currently offlineEasyjetset From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2006, 16 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 3781 times:

I agree!!! LGW from LBA would work.
Certainly would have a higher load factor than TLS that was announced this week.
Also, am surprised they did not jump into MME with BmiBaby departure - they don't seem to have any probs operating bases close together - look at MAN/BLK.



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User currently offlineRyanair737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 3709 times:

I think Jet2 (like any airline) know what they are doing.

If they didn't think the new routes would have a market for them they wouldn't have started/launched them in the first place. Simple as.

Quoting Sam1987 (Reply 1):
As I've said on this website before, they fly from MAN to LGW (competing with BA), but they don't fly from LBA to LGW (which is currently not served, but is needed urgently).

Why is it so urgently needed, I don't quite get it? LBA is a fairly miniscule operation compared with MAN (which you seem to compare every airport you list to); BD already flies to LHR from LBA so why do Jet2 need to start LGW so rapidly? Just because a few anetters want the route to be started doesn't mean its going to be viable!

Quoting Sam1987 (Reply 1):
All this expansion at BFS and MAN is rather surprising too; what about LBA, NCL and BPL?

They have actually launched quite a few new services from LBA in the last month. MAN apart from being the 3rd/4th largest airport in the UK is rather successful (or so I would imagine) for Jet2, so why not expand? I think you have a downer on MAN for some reason.

Don't forget LS doesn't have the fleet capacity at present to start all these destinations from LBA, NCL and BLK that you think are going to be successful.

Ryanair737

[Edited 2006-10-13 01:26:18]

User currently offlineSam1987 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 946 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 3621 times:

Quoting Ryanair737 (Reply 3):
I think Jet2 (like any airline) know what they are doing.

Some airlines don't know what they're doing!

*cough* bmi *cough*

Quoting Ryanair737 (Reply 3):
Just because a few anetters want the route to be started doesn't mean its going to be viable!

Very true.

But there are a number of reasons why a link between LBA and LGW would work. Interestingly, BD have just upped their LBA to LHR link from four daily to five daily.

GNER can't operate as many routes between Leeds and London as they'd like, because the DfT won't allow them to. Going by train or car between West Yorkshire and Sussex or Surrey is a nightmare anyway - it usually takes at least five hours. Getting from LHR to Surrey and Sussex isn't great by public transport - an airport coach or the train/tube via central London are the only real options (both of which take ages and are expensive).

BD's fares are usually in the GBP50 region (single) to LHR, I'm sure LS could offer flights to LGW for half that price.

Quoting Ryanair737 (Reply 3):
Don't forget LS doesn't have the fleet capacity at present to start all these destinations from LBA, NCL and BLK that you think are going to be successful.

Also true.

Any news on fleet renewal? Aren't the 737s in their fleet getting old?



Next flights: LGW-LBA-LGW, LHR-SIN-SYD, SYD-BKK-LHR, LGW-GRO, GRO-CIA, CIA-MAD, MAD-LGW
User currently offlineVivaGunners From Italy, joined Oct 2000, 363 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 3546 times:

Quoting Sam1987 (Reply 4):
Any news on fleet renewal? Aren't the 737s in their fleet getting old?

Well, I was wondering about the same thing, but apparently they are getting another 3 733s as well as another 2 752s. So, once again, quite old second hand aircrafts.
Anyway, probably things are working out fine like this, so for the moment there is no reason to change strategy by ordering new planes.



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User currently offlineHumberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4915 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 3384 times:

Quoting Ryanair737 (Reply 3):
Quoting Sam1987 (Reply 1):
All this expansion at BFS and MAN is rather surprising too; what about LBA, NCL and BPL?

They have actually launched quite a few new services from LBA in the last month. MAN apart from being the 3rd/4th largest airport in the UK is rather successful (or so I would imagine) for Jet2, so why not expand? I think you have a downer on MAN for some reason.

Dont forget the NCL expansion recently announced

As for LBA, it seems like they aren't expanding much there as they tend to announce new routes one by one instead of in one go as they do at their other bases

Quoting Sam1987 (Reply 4):
GNER can't operate as many routes between Leeds and London as they'd like, because the DfT won't allow them to.

The DfT want them to (it was in their franchise) and since Network Rail found the extra paths, they can operate the extra trains they want to.

But it could be the DfT operating GNER themsleves before long, although thats for another thread ...



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User currently offlineCapital146 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2003, 2125 posts, RR: 45
Reply 7, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 3351 times:

Quoting Ryanair737 (Reply 3):
LBA is a fairly miniscule operation compared with MAN (which you seem to compare every airport you list to); BD already flies to LHR from LBA so why do Jet2 need to start LGW so rapidly?

That doesn't tell the whole story. Whilst MAN has always been vastly greater in passenger numbers than LBA, the trend more and more is people wanting to travel from their local airport. The catchment areas for MAN and LBA are nowhere near proportionate for the number of services offered to the London/SE region from each airport. MAN has services to LHR (BA/BD), LGW (BA/LS), LCY (VG) and STN (AB) amounting to over 35 flights each weekday. By comparison LBA has a 4 flights to LHR (shortly to to rise to 5).......and that's it! No wonder BD's fares on the route are almost always much higher than on their MAN-LHR!

Quoting Ryanair737 (Reply 3):
They have actually launched quite a few new services from LBA in the last month.

Yes, it's far from doom and gloom with LS at LBA. Salzburg, Lanzarote and Krakow will be new this winter, with Almeria, Valencia and Toulouse so far announced as new for next summer.



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User currently offlinePlanesarecool From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 4119 posts, RR: 11
Reply 8, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 3331 times:

Quoting Sam1987 (Reply 4):
Any news on fleet renewal? Aren't the 737s in their fleet getting old?

Yes, but so what? The B737-300 is the most popular LCC aircraft, and even Southwest Airlines are still operating around 200 or so. They're cheap to lease/buy, reasonably cheap to operate, offer just the right capacity for a lot of routes flown.

If they were to order B737-700's, the only advantages would be the lower cost to operate due to less fuel consumption and mainenance issues etc. However, this would take a long time to pay off, time in which they could be expanding with more second hand aircraft, therefore making more profit.

Quoting Sam1987 (Reply 4):
Some airlines don't know what they're doing!

*cough* bmi *cough*

If BMI didn't know what they were doing, they would have gone under a long time ago.


User currently offlineGayrugbyMAN From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 1737 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 3237 times:

I would say look out for further expansion at MAN, in to markets such as Cyprus, Greece, Morocco, Turkey and maybe even Bularia and Rumania...that;s where the need is right now from the north of the UK.

Spain, Portygal, Fance, Ita;y and Canaries are more or less saturated already.


User currently offlineHumberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4915 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 3171 times:

I disagree about Spain/Portugal/Italy/France being saturated. Heres some routes that in my opinion could possibly work for Jet 2 from Northern England airports

MAN-FUE/LPA/ACE/OPO/MAD/Naples/Bologna
BLK-CDG/FCO/BGY/PSA
NCL-Toulouse/Venice/MAD
LBA-LPA/FUE/OPO/MAD
HUY-AGP/ALC/MJV/BCN/PMI/TFS  Wink



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User currently offlineCapital146 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2003, 2125 posts, RR: 45
Reply 11, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 3146 times:

Quoting Humberside (Reply 10):
HUY-AGP/ALC/MJV/BCN/PMI/TFS

This I would like to see very much, would tighten LS's grip further in the north of England and give TOM something to think about down the road at DSA.

In addition to your list, LBA/MAN-LIS would be very nice too! As would a link to GIB.



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User currently offlineBMIE70 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2006, 109 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 3095 times:

Quoting Sam1987 (Reply 4):
Going by train or car between West Yorkshire and Sussex or Surrey is a nightmare anyway - it usually takes at least five hours.



Quoting Ryanair737 (Reply 3):
BD already flies to LHR from LBA so why do Jet2 need to start LGW so rapidly? Just because a few anetters want the route to be started doesn't mean its going to be viable!

Its not just Anetters. Des Lynam would still be doing Countdown if this route existed. Big grin  stirthepot 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/5394396.stm


User currently offlineSK736 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2006, 479 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 3035 times:
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Quoting Sam1987 (Reply 1):
but they don't fly from LBA to LGW (which is currently not served, but is needed urgently

Really? If the route didn't work with a 29 seater how the heck would Jet2 come close to filling a 737?


User currently offlineA340600MAN From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2006, 144 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2996 times:

Hi All

I have lately been looking at flight only fares to Dalaman next year with the usual suspects (TOM/MON/TCX/XLA) etc. No cheap flights at all !! I think as a summer only route, Turkey could work. The only problem I could see, would be the 4 1/2 hr flight time.

Len

Quoting GayrugbyMAN (Reply 9):
I would say look out for further expansion at MAN, in to markets such as Cyprus, Greece, Morocco, Turkey and maybe even Bularia and Rumania...that;s where the need is right now from the north of the UK.



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User currently offlineCapital146 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2003, 2125 posts, RR: 45
Reply 15, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 2944 times:

Quoting SK736 (Reply 13):
Quoting Sam1987 (Reply 1):
but they don't fly from LBA to LGW (which is currently not served, but is needed urgently

Really? If the route didn't work with a 29 seater how the heck would Jet2 come close to filling a 737?

If you are going to use that logic then LS's routes from LBA to places such as Rome, Milan, Murcia, Barcelona, Prague, etc should have been doomed to failure given that no sevices to these cities had ever existed before Jet2 introduced them.



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User currently offlineSK736 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2006, 479 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2898 times:
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Quoting Capital146 (Reply 15):
If you are going to use that logic then LS's routes from LBA to places such as Rome, Milan, Murcia, Barcelona, Prague, etc should have been doomed to failure given that no sevices to these cities had ever existed before Jet2 introduced them.

Nonsense. The LGW route has a history of failure from LBA, the others didn't.


User currently offlineEGNM-LBA From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2002, 156 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2760 times:

Quoting SK736 (Reply 16):
Nonsense. The LGW route has a history of failure from LBA, the others didn't.

LBA-LGW has only ever been tried on a full service, high fare low capacity basis. History has told us that comparing the performance on these types of routes to a high capacity, low fares basis tells us nothing. Undoubtedly there would be a huge uplift in passengers if Jet2 flew LBA-LGW compared to the days of BACX - but that's not to say Jet2 would make any money out of it of course. Bear in mind it looks increasingly likely that MAN-LGW will be scrapped by next summer, albeit with much more competition (in fact, the 6 extra daily flights that Jet2 are adding at MAN next year are rumoured to be replacing the 3 daily flights to EDI and the 3 to LGW).
The market from LBA-LGW wouldn't be central London, but access to South London and the area South of London where road and rail access is poor given the need to transit through London. There would also be access to LGW itself.


User currently offlineMainMAN From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 2087 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2739 times:

Quoting LBA" class=quote target=_blank>EGNM-LBA (Reply 17):
Bear in mind it looks increasingly likely that MAN-LGW will be scrapped by next summer, albeit with much more competition (in fact, the 6 extra daily flights that Jet2 are adding at MAN next year are rumoured to be replacing the 3 daily flights to EDI and the 3 to LGW).
The market from LBA-LGW wouldn't be central London, but access to South London and the area South of London where road and rail access is poor given the need to transit through London.

All highly speculative. The cancellation of MAN-LGW has been forecast for quite some time, but it's still here. Time will tell.

It's also used plenty by people accessing central London, just as a LBA-LGW service would. I do agree that a direct service from LBA to LGW is much needed, and I was surprised initially that LS didn't operate it as opposed to MAN-LGW.


User currently offlineSam1987 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 946 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (7 years 6 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 2627 times:

Nice to see lots of talk of a possible LBA to LGW service.

I am travelling by train tomorrow from Yorkshire to Sussex. It is timetabled to take five and a half hours, and it is costing (with an advanced cheap ticket and a young person's railcard) GBP50 return. LS could probably offer LBA to LGW for similar (if not cheaper).

Quoting Capital146 (Reply 7):
MAN has services to LHR (BA/BD), LGW (BA/LS), LCY (VG) and STN (AB) amounting to over 35 flights each weekday. By comparison LBA has a 4 flights to LHR (shortly to to rise to 5).......and that's it! No wonder BD's fares on the route are almost always much higher than on their MAN-LHR!

35 daily flights from Manchester to London and just five from Leeds to London is absolutely absurd.

Quoting BMIE70 (Reply 12):
Des Lynam would still be doing Countdown if this route existed.

Lol!

Quoting SK736 (Reply 13):
If the route didn't work with a 29 seater how the heck would Jet2 come close to filling a 737?

Couldn't they use that 146 that currently operates the MAN to LGW service?

Quoting LBA" class=quote target=_blank>EGNM-LBA (Reply 17):
The market from LBA-LGW wouldn't be central London, but access to South London and the area South of London where road and rail access is poor given the need to transit through London. There would also be access to LGW itself.

I think central London bound passengers would also use it.

Quoting LBA" class=quote target=_blank>EGNM-LBA (Reply 17):
LBA-LGW has only ever been tried on a full service, high fare low capacity basis.

Hence there should be a low cost service.

Quoting LBA" class=quote target=_blank>EGNM-LBA (Reply 17):
Undoubtedly there would be a huge uplift in passengers if Jet2 flew LBA-LGW compared to the days of BACX

Very likely.

Quoting MainMAN (Reply 18):
I was surprised initially that LS didn't operate it as opposed to MAN-LGW.

So was I!



Next flights: LGW-LBA-LGW, LHR-SIN-SYD, SYD-BKK-LHR, LGW-GRO, GRO-CIA, CIA-MAD, MAD-LGW
User currently offlineSK736 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2006, 479 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (7 years 6 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 2608 times:
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Quoting Sam1987 (Reply 19):
Couldn't they use that 146 that currently operates the MAN to LGW service?

I think they stop using it at the end of October - I'm booked on two flights MAN/LGW in November and when I selected my seats the aircraft type was a 733.


User currently offlineChris1976LBA From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2006, 37 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (7 years 6 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 2608 times:

I was surprised with the Toulouse addition, hardly seems worth it for one flight a week. That can only ever attract the leisure traveller. Maybe this is the beginning of a shift in focus to possible French routes, possibly to get in before Flybe. After all, the long awaited Flybe LBA base is still....well, being waited for.

I would imagine they have many more routes from LBA higher up their shopping list than a LGW service, double daily to CDG for a start !

It would be great to see LBA linked to many more European capitals, to help Leeds get the European commerce status it deserves. At the moment it seems only LS can offer this hope.



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