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Why Are United's Boeing's Always 7x7-x22  
User currently offlineUnited787 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2779 posts, RR: 2
Posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 7905 times:

I apologize if this has been asked or discussed before. But it seems as though most of United's Boeing's have the last two digits as 22, e.g.:

720-022
727-222
737-322
737-522
747-122
747-222
747-238B Where were these from? PA, QF?
747-422
757-222
767-222
767-322
767-322ER
777-222
777-222ER

Why?

Is this some kind of tradition that dates back to when United and Boeing were connected?

Does Boeing have a consistent numbering system for all airlines?

I noticed the following trends, is this correct?

AA - 7x7-x23
CO - 7x7-x24
DL - 7x7-x32
NW - 7x7-x51
US - 7x7-x01
WN - 737-xH4
TZ - 7x7-x3N

Does Airbus do the same thing?

Last question, is there really a difference between UA's 777-222 and AA's 777-223 besides the interior configuration and paint job? Is there a difference that warrants a different model number?

[Edited 2006-10-13 05:43:45]

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User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11973 posts, RR: 62
Reply 1, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 7918 times:

Those are the customer codes.

Each airline has a customer code. So, for example, every Boeing aircraft delivered new to American ends in -23 to denote its original purchaser.


User currently offlineAerokiwi From New Zealand, joined Jul 2000, 2746 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 7926 times:

I believe the last two numbers are the customer code for Boeing aircraft. So Boeing's customer code for UA is 22, hence B747-422, B767-322...and so on. Fair enough question. I wondered that for years as well.

Airbus operates a differnet system, I believe, but I'm not quite sure how it works.


User currently offlineAlexPorter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 7906 times:

That's right. It's kind of handy with some fleets because it's an instant way of telling who the intial operator was, since the airplane codes don't change when the airplane switches hands. I believe UA has or used to have some 747-251s or else NW has or used to have some 747-422s, since one of these airlines sold some of its 747s to the other.

I don't believe this applies to leased planes, since those have codes of ILFC or whoever as far as I can tell.

Airbus's codes are not based on this system. Their codes have something to do with engine type if I remember correctly.


User currently offlineZkpilot From New Zealand, joined Mar 2006, 4865 posts, RR: 10
Reply 4, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 7883 times:

They are Boeing's customer code for UA.
NZ's code is 19... ie 747-419
QF's code is 38
some airlines have letters in there as well.
It is a sense of pride for many airlines to have a good number...
NZ took its number over from NAC (a domestic operator it merged with a couple of decades ago) as before that NZ was a customer of McDD, whereas NAC was a Boeing customer.  Wink



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User currently offlineUnited787 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2779 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 7883 times:

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 4):
It is a sense of pride for many airlines to have a good number...

Well then, United should have a lot of pride, since they have a great number, especially when they order a 200 series aircraft, e.g., 777-222!

[Edited 2006-10-13 05:54:30]

User currently offlineDalb777 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2192 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 7826 times:

A full list of Boeing and Airbus codes can be found here:

http://www.rosboch.net/aviation.htm



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User currently offlineDIA From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3273 posts, RR: 27
Reply 7, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 7827 times:

So...what will be the codes with the 787 with the loss of two digits?


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User currently offlineDalb777 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2192 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 7816 times:

Quoting DIA (Reply 7):
So...what will be the codes with the 787 with the loss of two digits?

I would guess they would add the customer code to the end of the -3, -8, or -9. Although, the -10 would be kind of weird...



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User currently offlineKFLLCFII From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 3309 posts, RR: 30
Reply 9, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 7765 times:

Quoting Dalb777 (Reply 8):
I would guess they would add the customer code to the end of the -3, -8, or -9. Although, the -10 would be kind of weird...

B787-322
B787-822
B787-922
B787-122

Seems reasonable...



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User currently offlineDIA From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3273 posts, RR: 27
Reply 10, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 7732 times:

Quoting KFLLCFII (Reply 9):
B787-322
B787-822
B787-922
B787-122

Seems reasonable...

Calling a 787-10 a "787-122" doesn't jive with me. Logically it makes sense, but I don't like. How about "787-1022?" Weird, kind of Star Treky, but I like it better.



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User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 11, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 7725 times:

Quoting Dalb777 (Reply 6):
A full list of Boeing and Airbus codes can be found here:

http://www.rosboch.net/aviation.htm

That list tends to be a bit out of date. It's missing customer codes such as for example the new OS one (B8) and Etihad's code (FX). Here's a more recent list:

http://www.airlinecodes.co.uk/boeing.asp


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26812 posts, RR: 75
Reply 12, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 7725 times:

Quoting Aerokiwi (Reply 2):
Airbus operates a differnet system, I believe, but I'm not quite sure how it works.

Airbus is Aircraft type (A320-2xx), Engine manufacturer (A320-21x) and engine variant (A320-211)

Quoting AlexPorter (Reply 3):
I don't believe this applies to leased planes, since those have codes of ILFC or whoever as far as I can tell.

Many leased planes will have the airline's customer code, if they are actually ordered by the airline and then financed by a leasing company. Only aircraft that are pre-ordered by leasing companies get their codes.

Quoting AlexPorter (Reply 3):
I believe UA has or used to have some 747-251s or else NW has or used to have some 747-422s, since one of these airlines sold some of its 747s to the other.

UA has at least 1 of their 2 747-451s left. Also, a major portion of Virgin's 744 fleet has Alitalia's code. In both these cases, these were canceled orders by the original carrier after the aircraft was already in production.



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User currently offlineGunsontheroof From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 3509 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 7702 times:

I have the customer codes list on my computer (though I'm not sure how up to date it is), so I'll paste it here for those interested:

01 Piedmont
02 Northern Consolidated / Wien Air Alaska
03 Caribair
04 Britannia Airways
05 Braathens SAFE
06 K.L.M - Royal Dutch Airlines
07 Luftwaffe / West German Air Force
08 Icelandair
09 China Airlines
10 Wien Colsolidated / Wien Air Alaska
11 Wardair
12 M.S.A / Singapore Airlines
13 Ariana - Afghan Airlines
14 Pacific Southwest Airlines (PSA)
15 Lake Central
16 LAN Chile
17 CP Air / Canadian International
18 B.E.A
19 NZ National Airways Corp / Air New Zealand
20 Boeing
21 Pan American World Airways
22 United Air Lines
23 American Airlines
24 Continental Airlines
25 Eastern Airlines
26 U.S.A.F. Military Airlift Transport Service (MATS)
27 Braniff Airways
28 Air France
29 SABENA
30 Lufthansa
31 T.W.A
32 Delta Air Lines
33 Air Canada
34 Transair Sweden
35 National Airlines
36 B.O.A.C / British Airways
37 Air India
38 Qantas
39 Cubana
40 Pakistan International Airlines
41 Varig
42 Nordair
43 Alitalia
44 South African Airways
45 Seaboard World Airlines
46 Japan Air Lines
47 Western Air Lines
48 Aer Lingus
49 Flying Tiger Line
50 Trek Airways
51 Northwest Airlines
52 Aeronaves de Mexico / Aeromexico
53 United States Air Force
54 Mohawk Airlines
55 Executive Jet Aviation
56 Iberia
57 Swissair
58 El Al
59 Avianca
60 Ethopian Airlines
61 F.A.A
62 Pacific Northern
63 Ghana Airways (ntu) / Faucett
64 Mexicana
65 British Eagle
66 United Arab Airlines / Egyptair
67 Cathay Pacific Airways
68 Saudia / Saudi Arabian Airlines
69 Kuwait Airways
70 Iraqi Airways
71 Trans International / Transamerica
72 Airlift International
73 World Airways
74 Iraqi Airways (ntu) / Libyan Arba (ntu)
75 Pacific Western Airlines
76 Trans Australian
77 Ansett Airlines
78 B.W.I.A
79 Saturn Airlines
80 Bankers Trust (TWA)
81 All Nippon Airways
82 T.A.P - Air Portugal
83 S.A.S
84 Olympic Airways
85 American Flyers
86 Iran Air
87 Aerolineas Argentinas
88 M.E.A. / Aerotechnik Deutsche Charter
89 Toa Domestic / Japan Air System
90 Alaska Airlines
91 Frontier Airlines
92 Air Asia / Air America
93 Pacific Air Lines / Air California
94 Syrian Arab Airlines / Syrianair
95 Northeast Airlines
96 Quebecair
97 Aloha Airlines
98 Air Zaire
99 British Caledonian
1A Martinair Holland
1B China Southern Airlines
1C Government of Romania
1H Emirates
1K Airtours International Airways Ltd.
1L China Xinjiang Airlines
1M Oman Air
1Q Tombo Aviation Inc.
1R Virgin Atlantic Airways
1S Deutsche BA
1U BBJ Customer
2A Hawaiian Airlines
2C Air UK Leisure
2J Arab Leasing
2K Turkmenistan Airlines / Akhal
2L Azerbaijan Airlines
2P Government of United Arab emirates
2Q Ukraine International Airlines
2R Pegasus Airlines
2T Tracinda Corp. (BBJ Customer)
2U JABJ / Picton II Ltd. (BBJ Customer)
3A Ansett Worldwide (AWWAS) / Nordstress Ltd.
3B Air Mauritius
SA)">3C Euralair International
3N American Trans Air
3P Uzbekistan Airways
3Q Boeing (BBJ Customer)
3R Western Pacific Airlines
3S Pembroke Capital
3T Real Estate Exchange Inc. (BBJ Customer)
3U Chartwell Aircraft Company (BBJ Customer)
3V Easyjet Airline Co Ltd.
4A United Parcel Service - UPS
4K Air Nippon
4N China United Airlines
4P Hainan Airlines
4Q Mid East Jet
4S BX Air (USA)">GB Airways
4T GECAS (BBJ Customer)
4U Air Shamrock (BBJ Customer)
4V Superior International Aviation Services (BBJ Customer)
SA)">5A Presidential Airways
SA)">5B Germania
5C Xiamen Airlines
5D LOT - Polish Airlines
5E EVA Air
5F GATX Capital Corp
5H Itochu AirLease Corp.
5N Shandong Airlines
5P Air Europa
5R Jet Airways (India)
5S CSA - Czech Airlines
5T First Union Commercial Corp. (BBJ Customer)
5U Dobro Ltd. (BBJ Customer)
5V General Electric Corporation (BBJ)
6B Cal Air / Novair International Airways
6D Shanghai Airlines
6E VIVA Air
6J Air Berlin
6K Vietnam Airlines Corporation
6M Virgin Express
6N GE Capital Aviation (GECAS)
6Q Boullion Aircraft Holding
6R Wuhan Airlines
7A Far Eastern Air Transport
7B Air Holland
SA)">7C Japanesse Self Defence Force
7D Air Seychelles
SA)">7E Aeromaritime International
7G Malev - Hungarian Airlines
7K Zhongyuan Airlines
7L Shenzen Airlines
7Q Novel Leasing Company
7U Atlas Air
8A Air 2000 Limited
8B Istanbul Airlines
8E Asiana Airlines
8J Tarom
8N Chilean Air Force
8S China Xinjiang Airlines
9A ARAVCO
9B Government of Brunei
9D Linjeflyg
9H Leisure International
9J Shorouk Air
SA)">9K Shenzen Airlines
SA)">9L Air China
9M Air Austral
SA)">9N Mid East Jet
9P China Eastern Airlines
9R Pro Air
9T Usal Ltd. (BBJ Customer)
9U Wilmot Trust company (BBJ Customer)
A0 Lloyd Aereo Boliiviano
A1 VASP
A2 Modern Air
A3 Pluna
A4 Air California
A6 Essex International / LTV Capital
A7 Trans Caribbean
A8 Indian Airlines
A9 Transair Canada
B1 DETA Mozambique / LAM
B2 Air Madagascar
B3 U.T.A
SA)">B4 M.E.A
B5 Korean Air
SA)">B6 Royal Air Maroc
B7 Allegheny / USAir / US Airways
B8 Austrian Airlines
C0 GATX / Boothe
C3 Cruzeiro do Sul
C9 Luxair
D1 Universal Airlines
D3 ALIA - Royal Jordanian Airlines
D4 Ozark Airlines
D6 Air Algerie
D7 Thai Airways International
E0 Dubai Air Wing (BBJ Customer)
E1 Eastern Provincial
E3 LADECO
E7 Arkia
F1 Air New Zealand (ntu)
SA)">F2 THY - Turkish Airlines
F5 Government of Portugal / Portuguese Air Force
F6 Philippine Airlines
F8 Royal Nepal Airways
SA)">F9 Nigeria Airways
G1 Government of Saudi Arabia
SA)">G4 United States Air Force
G5 L.T.S / L.T.U.
G7 America West Airlines
H2 I.T.T
H3 Tunis Air
H4 Southwest Airlines
H5 Mey Air
H6 Malaysian Airlines
H7 Cameroon Airlines
H9 J.A.T - Jugoslav Airlines
J0 Air Jamaica
J1 Dominicana
J4 Sterling Airways
J6 C.A.A.C / Air China
J7 National Aircraft Leasing
J8 Sudan Airways
J9 Iranian Air Force
K1 Tarom / Romanian Government
K2 Transavia / KLM
K3 Aviogenex
K5 Hapag Lloyd
K6 SAHSA
K9 Bavaria Flug
L4 American Capital Aviation
L5 Libyan Arab Airlines
L6 Aviation Services & Support
L7 Air Nauru
SA)">L8 Government of Yugoslavia
L9 Maersk Air
M0 ARIA - Aeroflot Russian International Airlines
M1 Pelita Air Service
M2 TAAG - Angola Airlines
SA)">M6 Royal Brunei
M7 Hughes Air West
M8 Trans European Airways
M9 Zambia Airways
N0 Air Zimbabwe
N1 Government of Venezuela
N3 Government of Brazil
N6 Government of Nigeria
SA)">N7 Government of Egypt
N8 Yemen Airways
N9 Government of Niger / Air Niger
P1 Goverment of Qatar
P3 HRH Talal bin Abdul Aziz (BBJ Customer)
P5 Thai Airways
SA)">P6 Gulf Air
P8 Bahrain Amiri Flight
Q2 Air Gabon
Q3 Southwest Air Lines / Japan TransOcean
Q4 Transbrasil
SA)">Q5 Government of Liberia / Air Liberia
Q6 LACSA
Q8 I.L.F.C
Q9 Itel Corp.
R1 Government of Cameroon
R4 Alyemda
R6 Air Guinee
R7 Cargolux Airline International
R8 Air Tanzania
S1 TACA International Airlines
S2 Federal Express
S3 Air Europe / Sunrock Capital Corp.?
S4 Air Afrique
SA)">S5 Eldorado Aviation
S7 North Central Airlines / Republic Airlines
S9 Maritime Investment
T0 Texas Air Corp / Continental Airlines
T2 Dome Petroleum
T3 Evergreen
T4 Air Florida
T5 Orion Airways
T7 Monarch Airlines
T8 Polaris Leasing
SA) and AB Varmlandsflyg (Sweden)">T9 Boeing
U3 Garuda Indonesia
U4 OSL Villa Holidays
SA 3000 Airlines (USA)">U5 Government of Jordan
U8 Kenya Airways
U9 Polynesian Airlines
V2 TAME
V3 COPA Airlines
V5 Bahamasair
V6 Petrolair Systems SA
V8 Air Executive / Busy Bee
W0 China Yunnan Airlines
W2 Aerotour
W6 Government of Morocco
W8 NOGA Import
X2 Air Pacific
X3 Air Charter International
X4 Supair
X6 Markair
X8 Wistair Corp
X9 Indonesian Air Force
Y0 G.P.A Group
Y4 Rafic B Hariri (Saudi customer)
Y5 Air Malta
Y9 Air Malawi
Z0 China Southwest
Z5 United Arab Emirates Royal Flight
Z6 Royal Thai Air Force
Z8 South Korean Air Force
Z9 Lauda Air
AB AB Airlines
AD Eastwind Airlines
AF United States Navy / Marines
AH General Electric Capital Corp. (BBJ Customer)
AJ BBJ Customer
AK Privitair (BBJ Customer)
AN Saudi OGER (BBJ Customer)
AR Taiwan Air Force
AS Ryanair
AV Newsflight II Inc. (BBJ Customer)
AW A.S. Bugsham & Bros. (BBJ Customer)
AX ARAMCO
BC Boeing NetJets (BBJ Customer)
BD AirTran Airways Inc.
BF Funair Corp. (BBJ Customer)
BG Flightlease AG
BH BBJ Customer
BJ Atlas Air (BBJ Customer)
BK CIT Leasing Corp.
BL Midwest Airlines
BQ GECAS
BS North American Airlines
BX Midway Airlines
CB Hawaiian Airlines
CG GKW Aviation LLC (BBJ Customer)
CJ BBJ One Inc. (BBJ Customer)
CM Aerolineas de Baleares Aebal
CN Matela Offshore Ltd. (BBJ Customer)
CP Ford Motor Company (BBJ Customer)
CQ JMC Airlines Limited
CT Westjet
CU Tutor-Saliba corp. (BBJ Customer)
CX GATX - Flightlease
DF Royal Australian Air Force (BBJ Customer)
DM United States Air Force (BBJ Customer)
DO BBJ Customer
DP BBJ Customer
DR Multiflight (BBJ2 Customer)
DT Royal Australian Air Force (BBJ Customer)
DV Lowa Ltd. (BBJ2 Customer)
DW Bausch & Lomb, Inc. (BBJ Customer)
DX Kazakhstan Airlines
EA Azteca Airlines
EC Dubai Air Wing (BBJ2 Customer)
ED BBJ Customer
EF BBJ2 Customer
EG Samsung Aerospace (BBJ Customer)
EH GOL Airlines
EI BBJ Customer
EJ Grupo Omnilife S.A. de C.V. (BBJ Customer)
EL Swiflite Aircraft Corporation (BBJ Customer)
EM BBJ Customer
EQ BBJ2 Customer
ES Royal Australian Air Force/Turkish Air Force (BBJ Customer)
ET BBJ Customer
EV Jade Cargo International
EX BBJ2 Customer
EY Italian Air Force (B767 Tank)
EZ United States Air Force (B767 Tank)
FB BBJ Customer
FD BBJ Customer
FE Virgin Blue Airlines Pty Ltd.
FH RBS Aviation Capital
FK Japan Air Force (B767 Tank)
FT Air China Cargo
FX Etihad Airways
GC BBJ Customer
GG BBJ2 Customer
GJ Spicejet Ltd.
HA TNT Airways, S.A.



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User currently offlineN844AA From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1352 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 7664 times:

Amazing, though not surprising, how many of the low-number blue-chip airlines are no longer with us.


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User currently offlineCactus739 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2450 posts, RR: 30
Reply 15, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 7611 times:

Quoting Gunsontheroof (Reply 13):
have the customer codes list on my computer (though I'm not sure how up to date it is), so I'll paste it here for those interested

uh...thanks..... clicking that link the other guys posted was a bit difficult...

Quoting United787 (Reply 5):
Well then, United should have a lot of pride

yeah, they're all tickeled pink over it....



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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12340 posts, RR: 18
Reply 16, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 7597 times:
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As as been said above, the number or letters are the Boeing customer codes. Not sure how the B787 will work with the customer codes

User currently offlineAmerican 767 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 3996 posts, RR: 12
Reply 17, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 7429 times:
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Quoting United787 (Thread starter):

Last question, is there really a difference between UA's 777-222 and AA's 777-223 besides the interior configuration and paint job?

The other difference there is between the two is the power plant. United's 777's are equiped with PW engines and American's 777's are equiped with RR engines.

I'm wondering if a customer code from an airline that no longer exists can be reassigned to another airline:
If SN Brussels ever orders aircraft from Boeing, I think that the 29 code could be reused
If Swiss ever orders aircraft from Boeing, I think that the 57 code could be reused
But what about the codes 21 (Pan Am), 25 (Eastern), 27 (Braniff), 31 (TWA), 98 (Air Zaire)...I don't think those airlines will ever come back. Or maybe they will never be reassigned to avoid confusion.

Ben Soriano
Brussels Belgium



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User currently offlinePER744 From Australia, joined Mar 2003, 405 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 7330 times:

I thought part of the whole 787-x numbering was that they were going to make the design more standardised, rather than every airline choosing from hundreds of different options? (ie standardised flight deck etc)

User currently offlineJRadier From Netherlands, joined Sep 2004, 4722 posts, RR: 50
Reply 19, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 7296 times:

Quoting Gunsontheroof (Reply 13):
K2 Transavia / KLM

K2 is the Transavia code, not KLM's. KL did take some 738/9K2's, but I believe this was due to registering issues here in the netherlands (I believe it was cheaper to do it this way)



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User currently offlineVV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7737 posts, RR: 17
Reply 20, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 7236 times:

Quoting American 767 (Reply 17):
The other difference there is between the two is the power plant. United's 777's are equiped with PW engines and American's 777's are equiped with RR engines.

And BA ordered 772s equiped with both GE and RR engines and all these aircraft are designated 777 236 despite this significant difference.

Quoting American 767 (Reply 17):
I'm wondering if a customer code from an airline that no longer exists can be reassigned to another airline:
If SN Brussels ever orders aircraft from Boeing, I think that the 29 code could be reused

I am sure it would. After all:

Quoting Gunsontheroof (Reply 13):
36 B.O.A.C / British Airways


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Interestingly there is an instance of the same Boeing code being used for two entirely separate customers. All aircraft ordered by BOAC/BA and all 757s (but not 737s) ordered by ILG (International Leisure Group) for use by its then subsidiaries, Air Europe and/or Air Europa, and all 757s ordered directly by Air Europa were assigned the '36' model suffix.

This all arose because of the fifth 757 manufactured. This aircraft (22176/14) was originally assigned to BA as G-BIKE as part of their launch order. However BA postponed delivery of its fifth aircraft and the aircraft was reassigned to ILG for use by Air Europe. However Boeing still assigned the '236' model number to it:

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Subsequently both ILG and Air Europa placed orders for both 757s and 737s. The 757s included G-BNSF and the 737s G-BMTC. While all the 757s were assigned the Boeing '36' suffix that has also been used for all aircraft delivered by them to BOAC and BA, they used the 'S3' suffix they assigned to ILG, Air Europe and Air Europa for the 737s:

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A final point about the Boeing codes. The first two were '20' and '21' assigned to themselves (Boeing) and PA. They then worked through the numbers in numerical order assigning the next number either to their newest customer or prospect. When they had reached '99' they went back to '01' and worked through to '19'. At this point they started to assign either alpha-numeric or numeric-alpha codes but randomly.


User currently offlineAirbusA6 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 2037 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 7079 times:

How did Britannia get such a low number 04? Surely their first Boeing would have been the 737-200 in the mid/late 60s, whereas lots of other airlines would have operated 707s, 720s and 727s previously?

Also, I notice BEA with 18, who never ordered any Boeing aircraft before the BOAC merger? Weren't their only American planes Tristars?



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User currently offlineBeech19 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 936 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 6832 times:

Quoting DIA (Reply 10):
Calling a 787-10 a "787-122" doesn't jive with me.

I prefer "787-X22" for -10's

Quoting American 767 (Reply 17):
But what about the codes 21 (Pan Am),

Pan-Am is still an airline. Same colors flying 727's in the Northeast. I bet in the RARE chance they ordered a new aircraft they might use 21. Then again i could be all washed up... lol

Quoting PER744 (Reply 18):
I thought part of the whole 787-x numbering was that they were going to make the design more standardised, rather than every airline choosing from hundreds of different options?

I beleive you are correct but each aircraft will still be tailored towards the purchaser so will technically be a different "model."



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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26812 posts, RR: 75
Reply 23, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 6759 times:

Quoting JRadier (Reply 19):
K2 is the Transavia code, not KLM's. KL did take some 738/9K2's, but I believe this was due to registering issues here in the netherlands (I believe it was cheaper to do it this way)

It did. Basically, KLM took them as Transavia aircraft so the airline wouldn't have to go through the national certification process again. I believe that Transavia's 738s are similarly coded with KLM's code.



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User currently offlineJRadier From Netherlands, joined Sep 2004, 4722 posts, RR: 50
Reply 24, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 6711 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 23):
I believe that Transavia's 738s are similarly coded with KLM's code.

Transavia's aircraft are:
-7K2
-8K2

KLM's aircraft are:
-8K2
-9K2



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25 United787 : Because of this, it seems like the Airbus designation system is more useful since the last two numbers of the Boeing system designation doesn't tell
26 Jmc757 : I may be totally wrong here but I'm sure I've read it somewhere. Didnt the Air Europe/ILG 757s carry the -236 suffix because they were originally ord
27 Post contains links CEO@AFG : Here's a very handy list for deciphering the Airbus codes: http://www.plane-spotter.com/Aircraf.../Deciphering_the_Airbus_codes1.pdf
28 MCOflyer : I thought Air Europe ordered the 757's to BA's specifications hence the 36 desigination. I read somethere that was why this happened. MCOflyer
29 DeltaJet757 : Yep, customer codes. For DL it would be 32. (B757-232, B767-432, B737-832 etc.) For NW it would be 51. (B757-251, B747-451) -DeltaJet757
30 N1120A : Well, if you know what the individual customer ordered at Boeing, it is still useful. My mistake
31 Aero0729 : the guy who started this post obvisouly knows nothing about aviation
32 Post contains images CanadianNorth :   the guy who started this post obviously came here to learn about aviation (edit: correct spelling is obviously) CanadianNorth[Edited 2006-10-14 06
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