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Delta Upgrading Ccs From B738 To B752.  
User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5925 posts, RR: 40
Posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 3455 times:

Dear all, just noted on delta.com that Delta will upgrade the CCS service from ATL from 738 to an 752. (saw this for a flight in january, DL-300)

Does anybody have more infos starting when the service will be upgrade and if its just seasonal....??

thank you and regards
Avianca


Colombia es el Mundo Y el Mundo es Colombia
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User currently offlineSOUTHAMERICA From Colombia, joined Dec 2003, 2497 posts, RR: 10
Reply 1, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 3407 times:

The upgrade starts on December 01 and is scheduled indefinitely throughout the season and on. This doesn't completely guarrantee that it will stay, though [hopefully it will].

I'm really glad to see that Delta is further betting on its destinations in northern South America. ATL-BOG going from 752 to 763 in high-season, ATL-CCS going from 738 to 752 and the recent opening of ATL-UIO-GYE is enough proof. I hope they do well.


SA


User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5925 posts, RR: 40
Reply 2, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 3405 times:

Quoting SOUTHAMERICA (Reply 1):
The upgrade starts on December 01 and is scheduled indefinitely throughout the season and on. This doesn't completely guarrantee that it will stay, though [hopefully it will].

thanks for confirmation SA....

intresting note that delta is offering very low fares from ccs to europe (700 USD + taxes) (in most cases even cheaper than the direct flights to europe) no idea if the same goes for the flights ex BOG.

asking me if they still make money on the cheap booking classes...?



Colombia es el Mundo Y el Mundo es Colombia
User currently offlineB4real From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2644 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 3387 times:

Somewhat surprising for me, I recently have had 3 trips to CCS on DL.

The loads were mixed. Sundays and Fridays were always packed, but many days, very light in the cabin. And on at least 2 or 3 of the flights, I even had a seat open next to me in the upgraded cabin. I wonder if they have some sort of cargo or mail contract?

But, notwithstanding that, this is good news. I see the flight times are unchanged:

Depart ATL 5:39pm DL 300 arrive CCS 11:05pm
Depart CCS 9:45am DL 301 arrive ATL 1:07pm

(looking ahead to time change)

They really need a better arrival time into CCS. I am in a small market, and there is no way to get from my market to CCS in one day any earlier than 10 or 11 after the time change at night (without spending the night in MIA, SJU, or MEX) - with the bridge out - this is really bad. With the traffic at the 'punto de problemas' I call it - I would not get to the hotel Tamanaco in Caracas until probably 2:00 A.M. after baggage, customs, and traffic. However, DL at ATL can't really make it any earlier than 5:30 or so to maximize connecting traffic.

Once the bridge repair project is complete, we will have a better time from Maiquetia to Caracas.



B4REAL, spelled like it sounds
User currently offlineDL Widget Head From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 2094 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 3321 times:

Quoting B4real (Reply 3):
Somewhat surprising for me, I recently have had 3 trips to CCS on DL.

The loads were mixed. Sundays and Fridays were always packed, but many days, very light in the cabin. And on at least 2 or 3 of the flights, I even had a seat open next to me in the upgraded cabin. I wonder if they have some sort of cargo or mail contract?

It's amazing how you can extrapolate load averages based on 3 trips.

Quoting B4real (Reply 3):
They really need a better arrival time into CCS.



Quoting B4real (Reply 3):
However, DL at ATL can't really make it any earlier than 5:30 or so to maximize connecting traffic.

You draw an appropriate conclusion as to why DL does not have an earlier arrival time in CCS.

Quoting B4real (Reply 3):
Once the bridge repair project is complete, we will have a better time from Maiquetia to Caracas.

Seems like the real reason that you arrive late at the hotel is due to the bridge sitaution.


User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5925 posts, RR: 40
Reply 5, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 3278 times:

Quoting B4real (Reply 3):
I wonder if they have some sort of cargo or mail contract?

at least not ex CCS, DL is not selling cargo space ex CCS, in the first half of the year they didnt not move any single kg on the flights.

regards



Colombia es el Mundo Y el Mundo es Colombia
User currently offlineB4real From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2644 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks ago) and read 3156 times:

Quoting DL Widget Head (Reply 4):
Seems like the real reason that you arrive late at the hotel is due to the bridge sitaution.

Thanks for the bashing. No, without traffic and the bridge problem, I would arrive at the hotel at 12:30 or so - and I still consider that to be a little on the late side. Arriving at Maiquetia at 11:05 just sucks - as Maiquetia is a good ways from Caracas.

I am just saying there are other airlines with better arrival times from North America. AA, MX, and AC all have better arrival times to Caracas. DL and CO have very poor arrival times.

Mind yourself that when an airline has one single flight to this market (like CO and DL) this is the best option for the airline. Before when the bridge was up, DL ran ATL-CCS-ATL leaving ATL at around 9 or 10 at night, arriving in Caracas at 6:00 AM, leaving Caracas at 7:30 AM or so, returning back to ATL at around noon. This was a better arrangement, but with the bridge situation, I have to leave the hotel around 4:30 or 4:45 to get to the airport with no worries.




For all my friends in Venezuela, make no mistake, I enjoyed the trips there!



B4REAL, spelled like it sounds
User currently offlineSpyderz From Canada, joined Apr 2001, 651 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 3012 times:

Interesting move for Delta considering that in 2005, according to ICAO data, Delta had a load factor of 64.08% on the outbound flight from Atlanta and 65.96% on the return flight. Most of these flights in 2005 were operated by 737-800's, while a handful of flights did operate with 757's. Personally, these statistics are do not overly warrant a flight upgrade, unless things have changed dramatically for Delta in 2006 or they intend to carry some additional cargo.

User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5925 posts, RR: 40
Reply 8, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2988 times:

Quoting Spyderz (Reply 7):
Personally, these statistics are do not overly warrant a flight upgrade, unless things have changed dramatically for Delta in 2006 or they intend to carry some additional cargo.

as mentinoed before Delta is not selling cargo space ex CCS.

regards



Colombia es el Mundo Y el Mundo es Colombia
User currently offlineB4real From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2644 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2800 times:

Quoting Spyderz (Reply 7):
Personally, these statistics are do not overly warrant a flight upgrade, unless things have changed dramatically for Delta in 2006

Agreed - that is how I perceive the flighs as well. So this seems a surpise increase in capacity for the market.

The other possibility is that the markets using the 738 are increasing at a rate that make a 738 a better fit for another market.



B4REAL, spelled like it sounds
User currently offlineDL Widget Head From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 2094 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2792 times:

Quoting B4real (Reply 6):
Before when the bridge was up, DL ran ATL-CCS-ATL leaving ATL at around 9 or 10 at night, arriving in Caracas at 6:00 AM, leaving Caracas at 7:30 AM or so, returning back to ATL at around noon. This was a better arrangement, but with the bridge situation, I have to leave the hotel around 4:30 or 4:45 to get to the airport with no worries.

It would be nice if we could arrange our flights to depart and arrive at the optimal time for each passenger's personal needs, but sadly, that is unrealistic.

[Edited 2006-10-17 03:37:17]

User currently offlineB4real From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2644 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2770 times:

Quoting DL Widget Head (Reply 10):
It would be nice if we could arrange our flights to depart and arrive at the optimal time for each passenger's personal needs, but sadly, that is unrealistic

DL Widget Head, I disagree. It would be nice, but AA can do it - so why can I not expect it of DL?

What would be so wrong with this routing:

Dept ATL 9:00 A.M. - arrive CCS 1:30 P.M. return Depart CCS 2:30 P.M. arrive ATL 7:30 P.M. - slightly different than other Caribbean markets?

Or make the dead time in CCS longer (or change flight crews). I'm just saying the current schedule sucks - though other markets have worse on DL:

ATL-LIM for example.



B4REAL, spelled like it sounds
User currently offlineDL Widget Head From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 2094 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2755 times:

Quoting B4real (Reply 11):
What would be so wrong with this routing:

Dept ATL 9:00 A.M. - arrive CCS 1:30 P.M. return Depart CCS 2:30 P.M. arrive ATL 7:30 P.M. - slightly different than other Caribbean markets?

I suspect that AA can rely upon more O&D traffic to justify an early morning operation to CCS whereas, DL's traffic relies predominantly on connecting passengers, hence the 1725 departure. I'm positive that there are a good number of passengers that find an early evening departure from ATL ideal and equally find the early morning departure from CCS perfect.


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