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Clark: Denies EK Will Cancel Some A380 Orders  
User currently offlineLeelaw From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 8425 times:

Clark: Emirates remains committed to A380

...EK now gets it first A380 in August 2008, when it should have been receiving its 18th. Clark said the airline is looking at additional capacity options focused around the 777-300ER. It is delighted with that aircraft, which is 3% better than guarantee on its specific fuel consumption and has shown no signs of performance degradation after six months, which is "outstanding," he said.

Emirates also is looking at the 747-8 Intercontinental (ATWOnline, Oct. 10), not as an A380 replacement but to fit between the 777-300ER and A380, Clark noted. And he suggested that EK is about six months away from ordering either the 787 or A350 XWB.


http://atwonline.com/news/story.html?storyID=6749

[Edited 2006-10-13 09:11:17]

[Edited 2006-10-13 09:30:29]

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User currently offlinePoitin From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 8372 times:

Sort of a mixed message in that article, isn't there?

    EK now gets it first A380 in August 2008, when it should have been receiving its 18th. Clark said the airline is looking at additional capacity options focused around the 777-300ER. It is delighted with that aircraft, which is 3% better than guarantee on its specific fuel consumption and has shown no signs of performance degradation after six months, which is "outstanding," he said.
 Big grin


User currently offlineAntares From Australia, joined Jun 2004, 1402 posts, RR: 39
Reply 2, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 8311 times:

This confirms the information I posted from sources who heard Clark speak in the thread on airlines rallying around Airbus. (As if..I might add, the better metaphor would like tow trucks around a truck smash...).

Emirates has no intention of cancelling any A-380s. I was also told Clark indicated they had 'almost' no intention of getting passenger 748s, because it knows what the Airbus jet can do, and is bloody futious about what it hasn't done, but is unlikely to wait until 2010 to get a jet that doesn't set out to do what an A380 can do, ever, which includes 1000 passenger versions.

If anything else happens to the A-380 no doubt something different might follow.

Perhaps involving whomever is running Airbus on the day, and lots of honey and ants in a quiet corner of an Arabian desert.

The version relayed to me was that Clark said Emirates had given Boeing six months to come up with a 787 that was worth ordering. My take on that is, 'we like your nice jet, just make it fly another 1000 miles with an extra 80 passengers'. What could be more reasonable?

I like the notion of customers playing hard ball. Stuff this A and B nonsense, just give me the jets I want, AND WHEN I WANT THEM and good things will happen to you.

Antares


User currently offlineBaroque From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 15380 posts, RR: 59
Reply 3, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 8297 times:

The only thing that seems to be missing (so far) is the order for some A330s compared with other announcements related to the delays.  angel 

User currently offlineOyKIE From Norway, joined Jan 2006, 2717 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 8146 times:

Will Emirates grow at a slower rate because of this delay, and can they do anything to grow at the targeted rate while waiting for the A380?

I read in AW&ST that the A380 is a really cool plane. A pilots plane according to the journalist and the performance according to Airbus is better than their guaranties. So Emirates would be foolish not to get the A380. But more than 40? That will be interesting to see where they will be deployed. Anyway the benefit with the Airbus being delayed is that 60 airports will be able to handle the airplane and the 747-8 does not fit into the same box as the current 744 so less airport will be able to get the 747-8 than the 744.

Could there be room for both the 747-8 and the A380 in the same fleet? Time will tell.



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User currently offlinePanAm_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 4115 posts, RR: 90
Reply 5, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 7974 times:
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Mr Clark has spoken again,

Emirates' A380 ``order is intact,'' Clark said. ``We've had to go to the lessors'' because of the delay and ``will probably acquire five or seven more 777-300ERs in the next few days for delivery in the second half of 2008, he said. The Boeing planes will be on 10 to 12 year leases.''

http://bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=c...=conews&tkr=BA:US&sid=a1MNQELISi2I

Regards, PanAm_DC10



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User currently offline2wingtips From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 7973 times:

Tim Clark has reaffirmed that EK's entire A380 order will remain in intact. He has also indicated that EK will lease 5-7 more 773ERs for delivery in the 2nd half of 2008 on 10-12 year leases to help with interim uplift.
Source: Bloomberg.
Would seem to indicate the 346 has no chance at EK.


User currently offlineSabenapilot From Belgium, joined Feb 2000, 2714 posts, RR: 47
Reply 7, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 7923 times:

Quoting Antares (Reply 2):
The version relayed to me was that Clark said Emirates had given Boeing six months to come up with a 787 that was worth ordering. My take on that is, 'we like your nice jet, just make it fly another 1000 miles with an extra 80 passengers'. What could be more reasonable?

Well it is not a secret what Mr. Clark is currently thinking since he has been telling it to both A and B... Strange it hasn't come out yet.

Emirates has said to sales people in TLS it has come to the conclusion the A350XWB is pretty much what they'd need from a capacity/range point of view, which is quite logic since it is a true yet much more efficient 777 successor designed completely to their specifications, but they'd like to see what Boeing has in minds with their 787 before they take a decision in the first half of 2007....

So far, Emirates sees the 787 evolving to a 767 successor, thus not really meeting their needs, however the proposed 787-10 would have the required capacity, yet as currently shopped around by Boeing, it seriously lacks range to be selected....

Boeing has indeed been given the 'urgent order' to squeeze out all that is left in their 787 and launch it as the 787-10ER, something the brand new design is far from optimized or in fact already up for, but I reckon they are trying to do just that, since is their only option if they don't want to loose this order...

[Edited 2006-10-13 14:44:09]

User currently offline2wingtips From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 7886 times:

Quoting Antares (Reply 2):
I was also told Clark indicated they had 'almost' no intention of getting passenger 748s, because it knows what the Airbus jet can do, and is bloody futious about what it hasn't done, but is unlikely to wait until 2010 to get a jet that doesn't set out to do what an A380 can do, ever, which includes 1000 passenger versions.

I was told quite the opposite by somebody who had spoken directly to Tim Clark about it. They are likely to still order the 748I and EK have said the 748I has been under consideration for some time now, irrespective of the 380 delays and they are looking at the cpapcity gap b/w the 773ER and the A380.

Quoting Antares (Reply 2):
The version relayed to me was that Clark said Emirates had given Boeing six months to come up with a 787 that was worth ordering. My take on that is, 'we like your nice jet, just make it fly another 1000 miles with an extra 80 passengers'. What could be more reasonable?

Not what I heard from the same source. No order is likely for at least 6 monyths because EK have not received any direct proposal about the 350XYZ from Airbus. Airbus have 6 months to get a firm proposal to EK, or this order will go to Boeing is my take on it. I still fancy EK will split a 787/350 order and a commitment for 100 planes in this category makes the split that much more viable. It may be a sensible strategy as well, as EK will need both Airbus/Boeing to pursue their aggressive growth startegy.


User currently offline2wingtips From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 7835 times:

Quoting Sabenapilot (Reply 7):
Emirates has said to sales people in TLS it has come to the conclusion the A350XWB is pretty much what they'd need from a capacity/range point of view, which is quite logic since it is a true yet much more efficient 777 successor designed completely to their specifications, but they'd like to see what Boeing has in minds with their 787 before they take a decision in the first half of 2007....

EK has seen nothing formal from Airbus on the 350XYZ. Ask Tim Clark. Let's see how the 350XYZ firms, as I've already heard whispers that the promised 8,500nm range won't be preserved throughout all models.

Quoting Sabenapilot (Reply 7):
Boeing has indeed been given the 'urgent order' to squeeze out all that is left in their 787 and launch it as the 787-10ER, something the brand new design is far from optimized or in fact already up for, but I reckon they are trying to do just that, since is their only option if they don't want to loose this order...

Boeing is certainly working on the 787-10 but my understanding is it isn't as rushed as you suggest.
Put yourself in EK's shoes. Would you order 100 350XYZs from Airbus, given the going's on of the last few months, or would a more sensible strategy be to split the order, or go all Boeing? Logic tells me Airbus won't get all of this order.


User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5732 posts, RR: 48
Reply 10, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 7789 times:

Quoting 2wingtips (Reply 10):
Logic tells me Airbus won't get all of this order.

I agree. I still do think that the 787 will be the beneficiary of hte A380 delays because there is a reduced confidence in Airbus to delivery on its promises and the uncertainty of the effects of the current crises on the A350, even if Airbus goes ahead and launches the plane.



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User currently offline2wingtips From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 7780 times:

Quoting Sabenapilot (Reply 7):
Emirates has said to sales people in TLS it has come to the conclusion the A350XWB is pretty much what they'd need from a capacity/range point of view, which is quite logic since it is a true yet much more efficient 777 successor designed completely to their specifications, but they'd like to see what Boeing has in minds with their 787 before they take a decision in the first half of 2007....

EK love their 773ERs. This was published in ATWonline today but has been known for a while. With 3% better performance than guaranteed and getting 5-7 more leased for 10-12 years from the 2nd half of 2008, I wonder how enthusiastic EK really is on the "777-killer" 350XYZ? They'll have a truckload of 773ERs when the 350XYZ is due for EIS(when is that again?) and they'll still all be relatively new and Boeing probably will have Y3 as a firm proposal. Additionally, I believe the chances are good that EK will acquire 10+ 748Is.


User currently offlineBringiton From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 866 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 7779 times:

Quoting 2wingtips (Reply 10):

Boeing is certainly working on the 787-10 but my understanding is it isn't as rushed as you suggest.
Put yourself in EK's shoes. Would you order 100 350XYZs from Airbus, given the going's on of the last few months, or would a more sensible strategy be to split the order, or go all Boeing? Logic tells me Airbus won't get all of this order.

I would tend to agree , however it would also depend on various other factors that may lead boeing to present a particular 787-10 that may or may not be of Emirates's liking !


User currently offlineNorCal From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 2459 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 7763 times:

Even without Clark saying it, I think the actions of the airlines have pretty much proved that Airbus is meeting its performance guarantees on the A380. If they weren't then there would have been cancellations. In the mean time the airlines will probably alternate between praising the A380 and b*tching and moaning about it so that they can get the most money from Airbus they can. In any case this doesn't bode well for the 748I. However, the 748F will still probably sell like crazy and keep the 747 chugging along for years.

Quoting Leelaw (Thread starter):
And he suggested that EK is about six months away from ordering either the 787 or A350 XWB.

This will be interesting, will Boeing be able to squeeze out the extra 1,000 miles from the -10? This is the multi-billion dollar question. A lot of it probably depends on engines

It will be interesting to see the final launch of the A350XWB and to see the final performance promises of it. Airbus has a lot on its plate right now, but by Clark's comments it doesn't sound as bad as the sensationalist media is making it out to be.


Prediction in the short term (if Boeing is able to get the 787-10 to specs): EK splits the order between Boeing and Airbus, 787-10s and maybe some A359s to replace 777-200s and then A350-1000s to expand on the 773ER fleet or maybe replace some. (though the 773s should still be pretty young by the time the A350-100 comes out) 748I, big time wild card 20% chance of being ordered in best case.

If Boeing can't get the 787-10 to EK specs, then this order will go all to Airbus.


Prediction in the long term: EK along with many of the other gulf carriers experiences serious growing pains from dumping 45 A380s, 100 787s/A350s, 40 777-300ERs, etc. etc. on the market. Result: Boeing and Airbus don't deliver all these planes, which hopefully doesn't affect either.


User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30558 posts, RR: 84
Reply 14, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 7763 times:
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As the 773ER seems to be "everything they wanted and more", so to speak, adding more (through leasing and additional purchases) probably makes more sense to them then adding the 747-8I. A 10-12 year lease would put the return date on the 773ERs right about when one can expect the A3510 to EIS.

Quoting Sabenapilot (Reply 7):
So far, Emirates sees the 787 evolving to a 767 successor, thus not really meeting their needs...

The 787-9 would be a perfect replacement for their 29 A332s. The A358 would be a significant upgauge (~15%) in size.

Quoting Sabenapilot (Reply 7):
Boeing has indeed been given the 'urgent order' to squeeze out all that is left in their 787 and launch it as the 787-10ER, something the brand new design is far from optimized or in fact already up for, but I reckon they are trying to do just that, since is their only option if they don't want to loose this order...

Zvezda has the hard numbers, but the 787-10 has some 20,000lbs MTOW growth available to it over the 787-9 with no structural changes whatsoever. With minor undercarriage changes, she could add I believe another 40,000lbs MTOW. And her wings are good for even more (600,000+).

So to say the 787 is "not optimized" for growth beyond the 787-9 is a bit unjust...  Smile


User currently onlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 15, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 7693 times:

Quoting Sabenapilot (Reply 7):
Emirates has said to sales people in TLS it has come to the conclusion the A350XWB is pretty much what they'd need from a capacity/range point of view, which is quite logic since it is a true yet much more efficient 777 successor designed completely to their specifications, but they'd like to see what Boeing has in minds with their 787 before they take a decision in the first half of 2007....



Quoting 2wingtips (Reply 8):
Not what I heard from the same source. No order is likely for at least 6 monyths because EK have not received any direct proposal about the 350XYZ from Airbus.

That is quite interesting...it seemed as if they are/were very committed to the 787-10....It was stated that as of July they had no A350XBW orders..but even in the middle of October? Wow..that is a bit hard to believe!!

Quoting 2wingtips (Reply 12):
EK love their 773ERs. This was published in ATWonline today but has been known for a while. With 3% better performance than guaranteed and getting 5-7 more leased for 10-12 years from the 2nd half of 2008, I wonder how enthusiastic EK really is on the "777-killer" 350XYZ?

The A350XWB will not be able to put 10-abreast like the 773ER does for EK..and this negates a lot of the CASM advantages for the A350XWB (and 787)...



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User currently offlineLumberton From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 4708 posts, RR: 20
Reply 16, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 7674 times:

Quoting 2wingtips (Reply 6):
Would seem to indicate the 346 has no chance at EK.

Well, if capacity concerns are the over-riding consideration, why not take delivery of some of the A346's? If Airbus was willing to guarantee resale market value for IB, they would surely do it for their largest customer?

[Edited 2006-10-13 15:28:58]


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User currently offlineSabenapilot From Belgium, joined Feb 2000, 2714 posts, RR: 47
Reply 17, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 7622 times:

Quoting 2wingtips (Reply 10):
EK has seen nothing formal from Airbus on the 350XYZ. Ask Tim Clark.
EK has seen nothing formal on the 787-10 either.
Currently EK is window shopping only, looking at the specifications of both planes and whether you like it or not, EK has seen the proposals for the A350XWB and is known to have noticed they do coincide with their own needs, something which the 787-10 as currently proposed by Boeing does not, hence their request (I knew some people would fall over the wording 'urgent order') to seriously up the range in order to match the A350XWB.

Quoting 2wingtips (Reply 12):
EK love their 773ERs. This was published in ATWonline today but has been known for a while. With 3% better performance than guaranteed and getting 5-7 more leased for 10-12 years from the 2nd half of 2008, I wonder how enthusiastic EK really is on the "777-killer" 350XYZ?
EK does not particularly love the 773ER, that's just what some people on A.net do. EK has a strategy to take the best planes available and since you've brought him in this discussion, ask Zvezda for an easy to understand comparison between the A350XWB and the 773ER and you'll soon see why the 773s might be quickly kissed goodbye.

Quoting Stitch (Reply 15):
The 787-10 has some 20,000lbs MTOW growth available to it over the 787-9 with no structural changes whatsoever. With minor undercarriage changes, she could add I believe another 40,000lbs MTOW. And her wings are good for even more (600,000+).So to say the 787 is "not optimized" for growth beyond the 787-9 is a bit unjust...
Oh, but the 787 can grow beyond the -9 for sure, hence the proposed 787-10, but this stretch will eat in the range of the baseline 787! This is normal for any stretch and it was also planned this way by Boeing, as you can't really cover a market segment from roughly 220 to 350 seats with only one cross section without paying some price for it in performance, regardless how good you are. If somebody comes up with a wider plane, more optimized for the high end, you will hit a hard rock at some point while stretching it to match your opponent (look at the 773 vs the A346) and as I have said many times before, the same goes for the 787 at its low end too BTW, because you are carrying around too much dead weight. (note how the 783 is only marginally lighter than the 'old' all aluminium A300)

There now is a clear demand from a key customer for a stretch with much more range than originally planned and the only way to do so is to increase the fuel capacity of the -10. Ever considered what this extra fuel weight might mean to the above mentioned 'ample weight margins for growth', not to mention the fact volume needs to be found to stow it? The 787-10ER might prove to be impossible in a high density 9-abreast configuration like EK is looking at....

Oh, and for those 'minor undercarriage' changes: I wouldn't call a strengthened double boogie and a center main gear 'minor', especially not in view of the fact Boeing needs to look for some 'lost' space to stow the extra fuel tanks which the -10 suddenly needs...

[Edited 2006-10-13 16:01:47]

User currently offlineDAYflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 3807 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 7549 times:

An interesting confirmation article here:

http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/061013/emirates_superjumbo.html?.v=1&printer=1

Fair Use:

Clark said Emirates, which with an order for 43 of the aircraft is the biggest customer for the superjumbo, is "angry" with the Toulouse, France-based Airbus but is sticking with the plane for now.

"I hope Airbus puts their house in order," he said. "We have invested a lot in ground facilities so we have to stick with the order for now."

Airbus earlier this month said the highly anticipated launch of the A380 would be delayed for another year.

The latest production holdups, which leave the A380 program two years behind schedule, were caused by problems with the installation of the 300 miles of wiring aboard each plane. Airbus has received 159 orders for the world's largest passenger jet from 16 customers.

Clark said Emirates may order five to seven of the 777-300s made by Boeing Co. to make up the capacity shortfall caused by the A380 delay. He said the airline hasn't discussed compensation with Airbus yet.



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User currently offlinePoitin From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 7476 times:

Quoting DAYflyer (Reply 19):
Clark said Emirates may order five to seven of the 777-300s made by Boeing Co. to make up the capacity shortfall caused by the A380 delay. He said the airline hasn't discussed compensation with Airbus yet.

I guess he is sending the bill for the 777s to Airbus.


User currently offlineKen777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 8187 posts, RR: 8
Reply 20, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 7433 times:

Looks like both good and bad news for Airbus. The good news is that there will be no reductions in the 380 order at this time.

The bad news is that EK is going to add 777s even when they have that outstanding order for the 346s. I think it's also bad news that EK is waiting on the 380 compensation issue fora while - it gives EK the opportunity of demanding compensation equal to the highest Airbus paid per plane to other airlines, plus Airbus canceling the 346 order and refunding deposits.

On the 748i side I would be very surprised if EK didn't order some. It fills an empty slot between the 777s and 380s and offers a long term option, both as a pax version and the ability to shift to freighters, depending on how both the 748i and 380 perform for them.


User currently offlinePVG From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2004, 723 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 7381 times:

Quoting Sabenapilot (Reply 18):
EK does not particularly love the 773ER, that's just what some people on A.net do.

Clark said the airline is looking at additional capacity options focused around the 777-300ER. It is delighted with that aircraft, which is 3% better than guarantee on its specific fuel consumption and has shown no signs of performance degradation after six months, which is "outstanding," he said

I think that the word "outstanding" is about a close to "love" as you can get when talking about a relationship between a man and his machine!


User currently offlineAirFrnt From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 2824 posts, RR: 42
Reply 22, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 7371 times:

One of the things that needs to be remembered is that CEO's outside of Airbus also have their necks screeched on the A380. If the A380 fails, how much money has EK sunk into it.

Airbus can't have EK cancel. It would effectively kill the project. EK knows that. They are going to go after every dime they could possibly get from Airbus.


User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30558 posts, RR: 84
Reply 23, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 7346 times:
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Quoting Stitch (Reply 15):
The 787-9 would be a perfect replacement for their 29 A332s. The A358 would be a significant up-gauge (~15%) in size.

I should amend this to note that I meant to say the 787-8 is the perfect replacement for the A332.

Quoting Sabenapilot (Reply 18):
Oh, but the 787 can grow beyond the -9 for sure, hence the proposed 787-10, but this stretch will eat in the range of the baseline 787!

With the amount of MTOW Boeing has to play with, they can load a 787-10 up with more fuel to get the needed range out of her. She has some 44 LD3s worth of underfloor cargo space (equal to a 773ER) so she could give up 12 LD3's worth of space to match a 772ER for extra fuel space. However, chances are Boeing won't need that much space. A bit longer wing would help. And doesn't one Boeing model store fuel in the rear horizontal stabilizers?

Plus, how much range does EK need? They bought the A345 because it can carry a heavy premium cabin fit-out, not because they needed the range to fly DXB-ZRH. I'm not sure EK wants to fly 350 people 8500nm since they're not demanding that of their 777-300ERs.

Quote:
If somebody comes up with a wider plane, more optimized for the high end, you will hit a hard rock at some point while stretching it to match your opponent (look at the 773 vs the A346)...

True, however CFRP gives Boeing more room to grow efficiently then using Al or Li-Al so as they scale it higher and higher, the penalties are not as severe.

Quote:
And as I have said many times before, the same goes for the 787 at its low end too BTW, because you are carrying around too much dead weight. (note how the 783 is only marginally lighter than the 'old' all aluminium A300)

It helps the 787-3 is a larger plane, too. Consider how a 787-8, which is very close in size to the A332, is some 50,000lbs lighter.

Quote:
Oh, and for those 'minor undercarriage' changes: I wouldn't call a strengthened double boogie and a center main gear 'minor', especially not in view of the fact Boeing needs to look for some 'lost' space to stow the extra fuel tanks which the -10 suddenly needs...

Well some feel a three-bogie undercarriage (ala the 777) would be sufficient. But I am sure Boeing will find a way.


User currently offlineDAYflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 3807 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 7346 times:

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 21):
On the 748i side I would be very surprised if EK didn't order some.

There was a statement in the article I had linked to above which indicated that anything but the 777-300ER was unlikely at this point. Clark said something about nothing else had the 380's capacity that was available in time so they would go the 777 route.



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25 Baroque : Clark will give an interview on Aus ABC on Eastern Aus time 10 am on Sunday 15 October. Usually these interview go for 10 to 15 minutes, so we might h
26 Post contains links and images Solnabo : From Flytorget: http://www.flygtorget.se/nyheter/nyhetsdetaljer.asp?KatID=1&ID=4437 "EK´s CEO: We stand by the order of A380 Super Jumbo".. Almost sa
27 Leelaw : Does ABC offer webcasts?
28 Post contains links Ken777 : Bit of a different story in this one: http://www.usatoday.com/travel/fligh...-10-13-emirates-airbus-order_x.htm "We have invested a lot in ground faci
29 Post contains links Cloudyapple : Not cancelling any - BBCNews. We are stuck - Clark. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/6048050.stm[Edited 2006-10-13 17:46:28]
30 Post contains images Jacobin777 : ..do you actually believe in what you type? They ordered a monster amounts of 773ER's last year and have basically told Airbus to "keep your A346's..
31 Post contains links Baroque : It will be on http://abc.net.au/insidebusiness/ but after the event. The only trouble is I am not sure how long after it. All of last Sundays program
32 Sabenapilot : Sure, why wouldn't I? I don't see the point you're making? Emirates have a preference for the 777 and they are extremely happy with it... does that m
33 Post contains images Jacobin777 : That's not what I'm talking about.... See below... .....
34 Phollingsworth : Ouch, the "sunk cost" falicy. I know the EK "system" is not and will never be Maxwellian in nature, but the idea that once money is spent you are obl
35 Sabenapilot : Well, then I wonder what you ARE talking about and why you react to my post, since it IS what I was talking about right from the first moment.... It
36 Poitin : Somehow, I suspect Tim knows all that, but even as a CEO he has to take orders. I think the operative word is "Face." A poor reason for doing things,
37 Dw747400 : Generally, at least in the US, when one says they love an object, be it an appliance or an aircraft, it isn't said with the same commitment associate
38 Jacobin777 : Exactly! That is what I was talking about....
39 CHIFLYGUY : All I can say is, the 777 family is the best thing in the air right now. Truly an incredible aircraft. With at least 5-6 years before the first A350X
40 Post contains links Leelaw : Virgin presses Airbus over A380, while Emirates sticks with its big order: PARIS (Associated Press) – Virgin Atlantic Airways Ltd. voiced more dissa
41 TrojanAE : I very much doubt that Boeing will jump to carry out Emirates' desires like a young puppy that's eager to please. The success of the 787 program, or
42 AirFrnt : Except for the fact that EK really isn't on the hook for the A380 commitment escalation issues beyond some logistical costs which probably consist of
43 2wingtips : Wrong. I know that EK have not seen a formal proposal for the XYZ, and they are confounded as to why SQ committed to it, when they know nothing other
44 Antares : Common sense tells us Emirates cannot continue to double in size every four years or so for another decade, yet the same common sense blind sided me a
45 Stitch : Last I read, they were growing at an average rate of 20% per year and expected to continue to do so. At that growth rate, a doubling every four years
46 AirFrnt : Another way to look at EK is to think "JetBlue with A380s". Take a look at JetBlue and their current slowdown. No imagine that with EK and idle A380s
47 Post contains links Baroque : Link to the Clarke interview transcript. http://www.abc.net.au/insidebusiness/content/2006/s1765168.htm Mostly about capacity, but the following was a
48 Stitch : Well B6 experienced really strong year-on-year growth in their early years, as well. No doubt EK's growth will eventually slow and could even contrac
49 Lumberton : Hmmm...so a simple formula for compensation suggests itself: RASM-CASM x 18 x months in service?
50 Baroque : Do you think we should start a thread on what might have been in the part of the sentence that either he never finished, or had edited out? The site
51 Post contains links PanAm_DC10 : Emirates has delayed converting their A346 order into the A380. Fair use excerpt; Oct. 16 (Bloomberg) -- Emirates, the largest Arab carrier, said it's
52 Post contains images Manni : That's a whole different story than some on here had predicted. Not only stays the order for 43 A380s intact, but EK is even considering ordering mor
53 Sabenapilot : It might be erotising for some to fantasize about EK simply telling Airbus to 'keep all your f*cking A340s; there no good for us', but reality is EK
54 2wingtips : Oh dream on Manni. Have you also read that EK will not tolerate another delay and have sent a team to Toulouse to undertake whether Airbus can meet t
55 2wingtips : Gee, what would EK wish to convert them into? Possibly more A380s, if they knew when they would get them. Possibly more A340s, if they were any good.
56 Baroque : It is worth adding that in the other 80% of the interview, Clarke spends a great deal of time bemoaning the small number of slots that he has into Au
57 NYC777 : Uh you should read the article. EK in not willing to convert the A346 into A380s because of all the uncertainty surrounding the A380s. Certainly they
58 Manni : Reading the article.... Emirates, the largest Arab carrier, said it's postponing a decision to convert a $4.2-billion order for Airbus SAS's A340-600
59 NYC777 : You're right, it's an airplane they want but clearly they're sending the team to Toulose becasue they don't trust Airbus' claims for the new delivery
60 Baroque : True, but can you imagine being the poor buggers doing a critical bit of whatever it is that they are doing (which seems to range from trying to get
61 Post contains images Jacobin777 : ooh...maybe that will mean some 747-8I orders.. .... Why? According to reports, EK haven't even seen the A350XWB information/proposals....in fact, th
62 Manni : You both missed the point. EK has a contract with Airbus to purchase 20 A346s, wich they no longer want, a delayed A380 is not going to help them her
63 2wingtips : You know the intimate details of the contracts EK have with Airbus Manni? How about the get out clauses if the 346 underperforms, as it appears to do
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