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New BA Club Seat To Be Revealed Nov 13th  
User currently offlineTCXDegsy From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2006, 517 posts, RR: 1
Posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 11434 times:

There's an article in today's TTG (Travel Trade Gazette), as below. Any comments or thoughts on the Herringbone layout? I don't rememer that being suggested before, but I may be wrong:

British Airways will reveal its new Club World cabin next month – and it is likely to emulate the layout used by Virgin Atlantic.

BA chief executive Willie Walsh will unveil the cabin in London on November 13.

Asked if the design would be a Virgin-style herringbone format, a BA spokeswoman said: “It could well be.”

BA led the industry by fitting flatbeds in business class six years ago. Although the flatbed concept was well received, the cabin design was criticised by some passengers because a few of the seats face backwards, and some found it difficult to move out of seats when the adjacent one is made into a bed.

A few years after BA’s redesign, Virgin responded with a herringbone layout for its Upper Class cabin, which allows passengers to move around freely but still includes a flatbed.

The BA spokeswoman said the new design “built on the success [it has] delivered over the last six years”.

“Obviously, we are going to stay with the flatbed, but we have improved the things customers said could be improved, and built on the things they really like.”

Like Virgin, BA will strive to give the cabin a trendy look to attract a younger class of premium passenger.

The spokeswoman added: “The look and feel of the cabin and seat will be quite different to what it is today.”

A Virgin Atlantic spokeswoman said: “Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.”


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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30537 posts, RR: 84
Reply 1, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 11343 times:
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Quoting TCXDegsy (Thread starter):
Asked if the design would be a Virgin-style herringbone format, a BA spokeswoman said: “It could well be.”

The format certainly is gaining interest, with DL, NZ, AC and CX using it.


User currently offlineAeroflot777 From Russia, joined Mar 2004, 3005 posts, RR: 27
Reply 2, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 11306 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 1):
The format certainly is gaining interest, with DL, NZ, AC and CX using it.

It's a very efficient layout so it's not surprising many are incorporating it. Have a few friends that say it's very comfortable as well. Never experienced it personally though.

Aeroflot777


User currently offlineDavidT From Switzerland, joined Oct 2005, 477 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 11287 times:

Quoting TCXDegsy (Thread starter):
Asked if the design would be a Virgin-style herringbone format, a BA spokeswoman said: “It could well be.”

That's interesting, I wonder why nobody who has seen the new cabin (even those not under NDA) hasn't mentioned this? Everything I have read has pointed to the same forward/backward layout used in today's CW cabin.


User currently offlineCusaeng From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2006, 143 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks ago) and read 11161 times:

Quoting TCXDegsy (Thread starter):

A Virgin Atlantic spokeswoman said: “Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.”

said ba when virgin installed flat beds mwahahahha

Quoting DavidT (Reply 3):
Everything I have read has pointed to the same forward/backward layout used in today's CW cabin.

snap !



I wanna fly but they wont let me :( grr
User currently offlineA340600 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2003, 4105 posts, RR: 51
Reply 5, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks ago) and read 11158 times:

Quoting TCXDegsy (Thread starter):
Asked if the design would be a Virgin-style herringbone format, a BA spokeswoman said: “It could well be.”

Blatent blagging IMO. I really don't think someone would be that open about it, especially at BA,

Sam



Despite the name I am a Boeing man through and through!
User currently offlineTCXDegsy From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2006, 517 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks ago) and read 11134 times:

The BA 'spokeswoman' is probably just being careful to not to confirm or deny anything!


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User currently offlineAlanUK From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 11118 times:

Quoting TCXDegsy (Thread starter):
Asked if the design would be a Virgin-style herringbone format, a BA spokeswoman said: “It could well be.”

I can assure you that this is a complete fabrication, the New Club World is the same footprint (2-4-2) as the current one, it has been tested and passed its licensing with this model, and BA is keeping this format for the New Club World.

Regards


User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8273 posts, RR: 7
Reply 8, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 11037 times:
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I feel BA should dump the backwards seats, I can't see them not going with the Virgin type seats, Cathay and so many others are.

User currently offlineTCXDegsy From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2006, 517 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 10820 times:

As long as BA have resolved the problem of back-facing pax having to step over their neighbour's legs to get out, then they won't need to go down the herringbone route


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User currently offlineComorin From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4895 posts, RR: 16
Reply 10, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 10737 times:

As a big fan of rear facing seats, I hope they don't go away. I don't like sitting at angle to the longitudinal axis of the cabin, so I hope BA won't go with the Herringbone.

just my humb. op.


User currently offlineBALAX From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 187 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 10644 times:

The new Club World seat is fantastic, you will not be disappointed. Plus it's more cushiony.

User currently offlineComorin From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4895 posts, RR: 16
Reply 12, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 10428 times:

Sorry if this has been asked before, but when can we expect to see it on the JFK-LHR routes? I'd like to be the first one on my block to try it.

Good show, BA!  thumbsup 


User currently offlineAlanUK From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 10315 times:

Quoting Comorin (Reply 12):
but when can we expect to see it on the JFK-LHR routes?

From mid-november first aircraft. JFK will be first, following by HKG. BA will not advertise the new Club World until they can ensure that all JFK departures are with the new seats.

Regards


User currently offlineTCXDegsy From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2006, 517 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 10257 times:

Quoting AlanUK (Reply 13):
From mid-november first aircraft. JFK will be first, following by HKG. BA will not advertise the new Club World until they can ensure that all JFK departures are with the new seats.

I'm resigned to the fact I ain't going to sample the new cabin on my flight to SFO on the 14th December  cry 



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User currently offlineComorin From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4895 posts, RR: 16
Reply 15, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 10165 times:

Quoting AlanUK (Reply 13):

Thanks! No reason to fly F anymore...  Wink


User currently offlineTrekster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 10063 times:

AT LAST
Hope we get told before the general public.
Would be nice to know a little about it, we have to sell the thing lol


User currently offlineBAStew From Australia, joined Sep 2006, 1024 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 9956 times:

I really don't understand why BA is still being so 'cloak and dagger' about the whole thing. Literally THOUSANDS of BA crew have been through a mock-up of the new cabin and seen the new seat/features.

When I had my visit to the mock up I was told that (unlike the past) the first aircraft fitted (a high J config 747) will NOT be dedicated to LHR/JFK as it had produced a logistical nightmare in the past. It will fly on which ever route it is assigned.

However, we were told that the high J 747's will be configured first and that within three months of launch BA will be able to offer a 'guarantee' of the new cabin on the LHR/JFK route.

PS. The new lay-out is NOT herringbone.  Wink


User currently offlineAlanUK From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 9865 times:

Quoting BAStew (Reply 17):
When I had my visit to the mock up I was told that (unlike the past) the first aircraft fitted (a high J config 747) will NOT be dedicated to LHR/JFK as it had produced a logistical nightmare in the past. It will fly on which ever route it is assigned.

However, we were told that the high J 747's will be configured first and that within three months of launch BA will be able to offer a 'guarantee' of the new cabin on the LHR/JFK route.

That is exactly it. BA will try to put the high-J New Club World 747s on the JFK, but they'll fly all over the place. As I said previously, BA will not advertise the New Club World until enough aircraft have been "stretched" to ensure all JFK flights feature it.

Under a month to go now  Smile


User currently offlineBALAX From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 187 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 9794 times:

Remember, they are still trying to sort out if the new Club World class will be placed where WTP sits right now and moving the WTP forward, in front of Club, which doesnt' make sense, but who knows.

User currently offlineBAStew From Australia, joined Sep 2006, 1024 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 9753 times:

I believe the above is 'sorted' BALAX. Storage of catering, crew/service routines (1 f/a will work in the WTP cabin on their own) are now all in place.

The config with WTP in front of CW is only being applied to the Low J 747's. I thought it was to be WTP in front of CW on all the 747's, but (thankfully) not.

There are a few bits and pieces that are yet to be seen....like how to restrict WTP passengers from the enhanced 'Club Kitchen' offerings, and also priority dis-embarkation. But I guess FIRST passengers have for years (at most stations) had to put up with getting off behind CW passengers via door 2 so I don't think there will be too many frayed tempers.

It's just a shame that more airports with horrendous immigrations Q's (like the USA) don't offer a FastTrack arrivals channel for premium passengers.  down 


User currently offlineTCXDegsy From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2006, 517 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 9690 times:

Quoting BAStew (Reply 20):
It's just a shame that more airports with horrendous immigrations Q's (like the USA) don't offer a FastTrack arrivals channel for premium passengers.

I'm sure BA will push for that where they have a bit of 'clout' - such as JFK



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User currently offlineAerohottie From Australia, joined Mar 2004, 797 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 9619 times:

I thought BA were going to have a business seat and layout similar to what is on Etihad?


What?
User currently offlineBAStew From Australia, joined Sep 2006, 1024 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 9569 times:

Quoting Aerohottie (Reply 22):
I thought BA were going to have a business seat and layout similar to what is on Etihad?

NOPE! No change from the current config


User currently offlineVasu From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 3854 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 9502 times:

Quoting BAStew (Reply 23):
NOPE! No change from the current config

Sounds like it may be a dissappointment... I do hope its not just a "jazzed up" version of the current one


25 BOE773 : The current one would look more at home in a museum!
26 BAStew : Quoting BAStew (Reply 23): NOPE! No change from the current config Sounds like it may be a dissappointment... I do hope its not just a "jazzed up" ver
27 Post contains images BAStew : I'm sure VS are booking some full-page ads in the Evening Standard for Nov 13th as we speak.
28 AlanUK : Considering the current Club World makes around £6 billion of revenue per year (that's a huge £12.7 billion of your little canadian dollars), that
29 TCXDegsy : ... and knowing BA, the new product will have some new and unique features that no-one else has... that's the beauty of BA in this area - innovation,
30 JAL : I really hate those Virgin style seats! But oh well....
31 BAStew : TCX the mock up only has two of the seats on show so it is difficult to judge whether the 'stepping over' issue is resolved. Considering the configur
32 Abrelosojos : Too bad SQ beat them to the punch. -A.
33 Stitch : CX's new F/C/J cabins look pretty impressive, as well.
34 Jfk777 : I hope BA high club hopes aren't trumped by the new SQ 773ER Business Class, 1-2-1 accross on the 773ER. Singapore's new FIRST is even more incredible
35 Post contains images Singapore_Air : I'm going to go out on a limb and guess it's going to look something like:
36 EmiratesUK : I must say I'm not a fan of the current CW layout, I flew with them a few weeks ago to the states and I was very dissapointed. The seat felt very cram
37 Aussiestu : Just seen it yesterday and believe it is very good. I liked the seat and all its features. Recently flew VS Upper class and while the seat was comfort
38 Post contains images BAStew : Singapore....have you seen the seat?? Your illustration is really close to how the new seat is! Agreed, however the new seat is wider. As for the 'ste
39 Post contains links GuyBetsy1 : Wow. Thank you BAStew. That was comprehensive... For those who think that CX copied every one... their seats do not have to be flipped back. They slid
40 Post contains images Singapore_Air : Thank you . Alas I cannot take credit. It was just an image from the publicly available UK Patent Office and I edited it to get rid of the weird arro
41 TCXDegsy : Even though there will be the obvious comparisons to the new SQ cabin when BA does release their details next month, I'm confident BA will have come u
42 Shamrock_747 : The new Club World is going to be a completely new seat, not just an enhancement of the current one. The 'soft' enhancements such as new catering and
43 A340600 : " target=_blank>http://www.singaporeair.com/saa/en_U...o.jsp WOW! Singapore's new J is AMAZING!
44 Kevin777 : I think it's a wise decision for BA not to go with the heeringbone, although I haven't tried CW or any heeringbone-"equipped" airline in J.. 1) All ot
45 TCXDegsy : Anyone know who designed and built the new SQ Business Class seat? Some of the features sound like the kind of things BA would want to incorporate (th
46 Post contains links Stitch : The new premium class products are manufactured in Japan by Koito Industries Limited based on this article: http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/BU0610/S00
47 Post contains images BAStew : Found out today which aircraft the first to be unveiled is: G-BNLN. A High J config 747
48 Oxygen : Actually, Herring-bone arrangment is very space efficient, and can even fit more seats onto the aircraft than the BA config (or have the potential to
49 Post contains links Ikarus2006 : TCXDegsy, The new B/C seat of SQ was designed by a London based design studio, James Park Associates: http://www.jpadesign.com/ It was engineered and
50 Timboflier215 : The videos on Singapore's site really show off the new classes well. They look totally incredible!! Well done to them.
51 ANstar : Air Canada's current J belongs in a museum. I agree. I'm not a fan of the herringbone config. I flew it on Air NZ and had the old bag in the row oppo
52 Aerohottie : I still believe Etihad has the best business class product and config.
53 Wunala : I am looking forward to the new colours, and the light fixtures.
54 TCXDegsy : Anyone going to the launch event on Monday, that would be able to take some pics to post here???
55 Post contains images BAStew : Well tomorrow (Monday) is the big day! I drove past heathrow today and G-BNLN was parked in a remote area of the hanger (with her own security guard i
56 TCXDegsy : Looks like the secret is out, online anyway! See the other thread!
57 VV701 : I believe 'LN was ferried to CWL on 10 October and ferried back to LHR from CWL on 9 November. This indicates that the cabin refit was carried out by
58 Ardian : Toilets perhaps?
59 Post contains images GBOAC : Toilets. I posted the above map (with better formatting) on another site (data garnered from ExpertFlyer, of course) just the other day before it was
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