KE086 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 32858 times:
Korean air has recieved the highest ratings in two catigories! Best First and Business class Airline! And Most popular Frequent flyer program. Congrats to Korean Air. THEY BEAT CATHY PACIFIC AND SINGAPORE AIRLINES!!!! Way to go! here is the link... http://www.koreanair.com
SR 103 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 2, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 32808 times:
I have booked KE for my return flight to the US in January. Considering my top two favorite airlines are CX and MH, lets see just how well KE does with me.
Never the less, good to see KE getting some awards.
Lijnden From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 3, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 32779 times:
Very good to be better than SQ and CX, however they still have one of the worst safety records of any airline. They have lost more widebody planes in accidents than all major European airliners combined! Needless to say, flying with them is not very high on my list.
WorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 4, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 32714 times:
KE has turned itself in a dramatic way, including on the safety front. They have implemented US style CRM processes and have been a very safe airline since they implemented the changes.
Jacobin777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 7, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 32374 times:
Quoting KE086 (Thread starter): Korean air has recieved the highest ratings in two catigories! Best First and Business class Airline! And Most popular Frequent flyer program. Congrats to Korean Air. THEY BEAT CATHY PACIFIC AND SINGAPORE AIRLINES!!!! Way to go! here is the link... http://www.koreanair.com
Congrats to KE on a job well done..
I took this photo of the KE Queen yesterday morning @ ORD..
OzGlobal From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 8, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 32206 times:
Hmmm. 'Time Readers' airline awards? They had to pick their survey. Interesting that no other survey cites them even in the top 10 that I have seen!
I'm completely with Linnden. I'd feel safer taking up drag racing.
Quoting Lijnden (Reply 3): they still have one of the worst safety records of any airline. They have lost more widebody planes in accidents than all major European airliners combined! Needless to say, flying with them is not very high on my list.
All their disasters were the result of pilot error.
Date Airline/Location Aircraft Type/Registration Fatalities
11.19.1980 Korean Air Lines Boeing 747-2B5B 15:226
Seoul, S. Korea HL7445
09.01.1983 Korean Air Lines Boeing 747-230B 269:269
Sakhalin Island, Russia HL7442
11.29.1987 Korean Air Lines Boeing 707-3B5C 115:115
Andaman Sea HL7406
07.27.1989 Korean Air Lines McDonnell Douglas DC-10-30 75:200 + 6
Tripoli, Libya HL7328
11.25.1989 Korean Air Lines Fokker F-28 Fellowship 1:52
Seoul, S. Korea HL7255
08.10.1994 Korean Air Lines Airbus A300B4-622R 0:160
Cheju, South Korea HL7296
08.06.1997 Korean Air Lines Boeing 747-3B5 228:254
Agana, Guam HL7468
05.08.1998 Korean Air Lines Boeing 747-4B5 0:395
Seoul, South Korea HL7496
03.29.1999 Korean Air Lines McDonnell Douglas MD-82 0:156
Pohang, South Korea HL7570
04.15.1999 Korean Air Lines McDonnell Douglas MD-11 3:3
Shanghai, China HL7373
12.22.1999 Korean Air Lines Boeing 747-2B5F 4:4
Surrey, England (Stansted Airport) HL7451
Hoons90 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 9, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 32044 times:
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Quoting OzGlobal (Reply 8): I'm completely with Linnden. I'd feel safer taking up drag racing.
It really amazes me that people still think that Korean Air is unsafe to fly. It proves that you simply do not know how much the airline has changed since the late 90s.
KE086 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 12, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 31898 times:
Yes, number one on my do not fly list
Hey how about all the American disasters HUh? Just because Korean Air had some disasters does not mean that it has not changed. I have been Flying Korean Air all my life and i would have to say that even though they had accidents i have never felt more safer on this airline then any other airline. Korean Air has changed it self around and people should consider flying this great airline despite what has happened in the past.
777fan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 13, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 31858 times:
While their first and biz class is "award winning", I certainly don't think their Y-class was anything special. While their safety record has improved, they've still had more accidents than their counterpart, Asiana. While I have yet to fly either in biz or first class, I'm of the opinion that OZ's economy product is far superior in all aspects. OZ's membership in SA also beats the pants off of anything KE could possibly offer...where did KE's awards come from?!
In closing, there's nothing Asiana could possibly do that would give them an uglier livery than KE's horrendous outfit!
Axio From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 14, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 31836 times:
Quoting OzGlobal (Reply 8): All their disasters were the result of pilot error.
09.01.1983 Korean Air Lines Boeing 747-230B 269:269
Sakhalin Island, Russia HL7442
Pilot error may have allowed them to get off course... but being shot down doesn't sound like pilot error....
Anyway.. kudos to KE. Never flown them, but I think the baby-blue planes are lovely looking.
KE086 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 15, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 31834 times:
Well Korean Air's Economy class service beats Asiana's for they do not have PTVS in economy but KOrean AIr does in almost all of there fleet. Alot of South Koreans that i know would fly Korean Air for their service is so much better then Asiana. But you have to admit that Korean Air's Uniform beats out Air Canda's
OHLHD From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 16, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 31347 times:
Quoting Hoons90 (Reply 9): It really amazes me that people still think that Korean Air is unsafe to fly. It proves that you simply do not know how much the airline has changed since the late 90s.
If they continue another 20 years of save flying I might consider them.
Quoting Max Q (Reply 10): Yes, number one on my do not fly list.
Mine too! Uncontested!
Quoting Goboeing (Reply 11): Anyone who hasn't read the Korean Airlines safety audit online, should.
Since all of their major crashes were out of pilot errors, they can have 1000 of safety audits!
I would like to state that the survey to which this refers, the Time Asia Reader's Travel Awards 2006, Singapore Airlines Limited retained the Most Preferred Airline title for the fifth year running.
ZschocheImages From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 19, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 31049 times:
Quoting OHLHD (Reply 16):
If they continue another 20 years of save flying I might consider them.
Quoting OHLHD (Reply 16): Yes, number one on my do not fly list.
Come on guys, even though there have been accidents, the last one being almost eight years ago, doesn't mean that they aren't safe now. Look at their fleet, they've updated and made changes. Aviation has always been about taking risks, it's about the thrill. If this weren't true, you wouldn't spend hours on this site every week posting your thoughts about your love of flying. Come on guys, lighten up, just enjoy the sky!
Freedom747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 20, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 30960 times:
People! Pull your heads out of the sand. Korean has done a complete 180. Ever since Delta sent their Chief Pilot to Seoul appx 4 years ago to turn them around and its been huge success ever since and thats how KE was able to gain access to join SkyTeam when they did years back.
SparkingWave From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 22, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 30818 times:
Quoting Max Q (Reply 10): Yes, number one on my do not fly list.
Possibly the most dangerous airline since the old Aeroflot.
Most airlines have had some kind of accident or incident or have been involved in at least a safety risk somewhere along their history. Can you name me one that has not? If you are judging KE that harshly then I have to assume you don't fly by airplane.
Singapore_Air From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 23, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 30728 times:
The safety debate is debatable but I don't think the average traveller's memory's or knowledge even goes as far as ours. I don't think it goes into their thinking when choosing an airline at all.
OHLHD From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 24, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 30729 times:
Quoting SparkingWave (Reply 22): Can you name me one that has not? If you are judging KE that harshly then I have to assume you don't fly by airplane.
I cannot speak for Mr MAX Q, but!!!! take a look at AY and QF. Is that enough. Look at their safety record over the past 40 years!
25 ContinentalEWR: Great news. Korean does, however, have a very spotty safety record.
26 WorldTraveler: No it's really not debatable at al to anyone who can look at what has taken place at KE. People who frequent these boards are precisely the people wh
27 Historic747: There is nothing to be amazed. You can not prove safety by five years of safe flying. It is an attribute and respect gained by flying several aircraf
28 747hogg: NOT... to be stupid, but is that South Korea Or North Korea? (Joke! relax..)
29 KE086: NOT... to be stupid, but is that South Korea Or North Korea? (Joke! relax..) Korean Air is from South Korea Air Koryo is From North Korea
30 TinkerBelle: I gotta disagree, OZ's lively is herendous. Good thing they are changing it although the new one is probably worse. OZ has PTV's in economy on all th
32 Ksmd11: I flew KE from London to Sapporo via Seoul on 777/333 out and back last Winter. No ptv's but i believe these are being fitted, some B747's already hav
33 Hoons90: Whether you fly KE or not is up to you, of course. But, are you really sure that KE is "the most dangerous airline since the old Aeroflot"? What exac
34 Hoons90: http://www.koreanair.com/local/kr/gd/eng/ft/ne/eng_ft_ne_060208.htm About 9 744s and 3 772s have this new product, and more aircraft are being fitted
35 Namaskar: I am a regular C/J class traveler to Asia from Europe. I have used KE several times from Europe to ICN and beyond in Prestige Class. In my opinion, KE
36 BeechNut: I'm inclined to agree. I travelled frequently to Korea up to 2002 and made a point of avoiding KE, though sometimes it was unavoidable (a couple of d
37 KE086: I Have flown KE all my life and nothing but the best has come from it. I have never had any fears while flying with them for although they have had so
38 Flight7E7: Just flew, again, KE 86/P (F) JFK/SEL on 10/10/06......772ER...Kosmo Sleeper Seat Service impeccable as it was KE 82 P (747) JFK/SEL on 6/06/06. I am
39 Flight7E7: HOWEVER, NOT ALL THE REFURBISHMENTS ARE DONE...go to www.koreanair.com and take a careful look at F and C new seating. F -P now, named Kosmo and C no
40 JetSetter001: Both Business and Firt look quite comfortable. But a different colour would bring even more flair to the cabin, I don´t like the mint green. But well
41 KE086: The Celedon Green is cultural to Korea For most of the pottery in korea has the color Celedon. If you look closer to the seat there are like oriental
42 Kaukau: Hot Tip: Korean Air First Class Pax waiting at LAS McCarran International Terminal 2, now have access to the VIP Ultra-Lounge near gate 4. If you are
43 777fan: Please allow me to elaborate my earlier post: While I've questioned KE's service, livery and comfort levels, it's not so much the level at which they'
44 SparkingWave: Sorry, but that's not enough. 40 years doesn't qualify an airline since we're talking about almost perfect safety records. AY has had accidents in bo
45 MKEdude: To be fair the problems at KE were not just a string of bad luck but were symptomatic of systemic problems that permeated every safety-related aspect
46 TinkerBelle: Very well said. OZ's business class lounges in ICN are kick ass too. I really think OZ is one of the most underrated airlines in the world....especia
47 ChrisH: I'd love to try Korean. Just for fun i put in a flight FRA - BKK next year in april with stop in Seoul of course. price in economy was 2991€.......
48 RedChili: I can't believe what I'm reading here. According to the statistics in reply eight, 710 people (passengers and crew) have died in KE accidents, and tha
49 RedChili: I'm sure that you can get it a lot cheaper than that. Right now, I test-booked two separate trips on gotogate.se (since you've got the Swedish flag),
50 Flykal: Anyone with a comment regarding the safety level of KE who has not seen the internal workings of the organization is really in no place to make any co
51 WorldTraveler: well said, Flykal. but the real difficulty in all of these hypocritical remarks is that every airline on the planet is one accident away from being pu
52 Articulatexpat: I live in Seoul and I've flown KE domestically. Wonderful service, immaculate planes. I'd fly them internationally if they weren't so expensive for tr
53 Captaink: Why isn't said, that the 'old' Korean more dangerous than the 'old' Aeroflot? Cause it is obvious we are talking about a new airline here. Congrats t
54 Flykal: A little self initative, and one would discover the real new product at http://www.koreanair.com Of course the picture + comment at airliners.net mus
55 OHLHD: It does, especially if you take into account that from approx 40 now the world has been introduced to a new generation of aircrafts of which especial
56 KE086: No I and I am sure others won´t, and how do you know that I am uninformed? I know someone who is working for KE and still he tells me stories about K
57 OHLHD: Don´t take it to personally but I won´t! He is working for them more than a decade! I never said F/A are unprofessional and I do not bash any of yo
58 Zeke: This award would have to go down are bizarre, along with the best IFE award to QF.
59 SparkingWave: Nope. Sorry, still not good enough. Finnair is unsafe. Period. I'm just using the same yardstick you are to measure up the airlines. SparkingWave ~~~
60 Manni: That's interesting and if true very worrysome... However, first a few questions. How does someone from Finland recognizes a KE pilot (12H before thei
61 Jacobin777: Lol..this photo was a "quick link"..so there won't be too many views on it!.. We know how much you truly love the 777's.....just admit it......
62 OHLHD: Beeing from Finland does not mean that I live there. They wore uniform. I did not recognize it actually but some RedCaps did and told me the same...
63 Lijnden: Service and safety are two different issues. Service is obviously very good if you are better than SIA and Cathay. But safety with them is really anot
64 DALelite: Congrats to KE. Finaly Skyteam has three World Class Carriers. regards: DALelite
65 TinkerBelle: With the new camera and lanse, we better be seeing more of those kick-a$$ shots at ORD and SFO. I know, I know...lol. I'll still fly a 747 though ove
66 Fbgdavidson: Apologies Inspector Clouseau but a little self initiative for me was comparing two cabin shots taken a few years apart. The newer was from 2004 and w
67 Kalsky: KE does a big step for upgrading its inflight facilities as well as its safety measure. I have no doubt about it. Being the best on First & Business c
68 UAL777UK: Hats off to KE but I am sorry, i would not fly them, its as simple as that!
69 Manni: And you where in what city or country at that time? I noticed you used the term 'redcaps', was it Belgium? So I assume you or one of the redcaps noti
70 Swissairtaz: Congratulations to KE. I flew them on several occasions over the last 10 years on all classes and i was always satisfied. I know the effort KE did in
71 BeechNut: Apples and oranges. While your risk of dying per mile is less in an airplane compared to a car, but the risk of dying per trip, is not that much diff
72 OHLHD: Nope but EU is good! The other guy ( the RedCap) did and the authorities eventually checked them on the next day. I do not know the outcome since I w
73 RedChili: Exactly. Most people probably take between 1,000-2,000 trips by car per year, and most people are not afraid of doing it, despite the fact that car a
74 Manni: In that case you might want to question what your friends told you. You claim they wore uniforms because they just arrived. Your friends claim they w
75 OHLHD: Once I see him I will ask him to clayrify things. Just to make sure. Safe flying... and in 2016 I will fly KE!
76 KE086: OHLD Safe flying... and in 2016 I will fly KE You will be kicking yourself when you find out how good they really are!!!!
77 Jacobin777: Oh don't worry about that I'm sure you will.... Smart alec....
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