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Will Delta Ever BUY The 747-400?  
User currently offlineDELTAMD-11 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (14 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2871 times:

I know they have the 777 and MD11 but if they truly want to compete in Asia then they're going to have to get the jumbo.First of all the MD11 barely has the range to get to Tokyo from Atlanta, and they can't put any freight on that route due to weight restrictions, as a matter of fact, two positions meant for containers under the belly actually have extra fuel cells.And the 777 has issues with etops, so i want to know if they're ever gonna step up and get the mighty 747!

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User currently offlineCNBC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (14 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2800 times:

No. They won't.

User currently offlinePeter From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 570 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (14 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2790 times:

I doubt that Delta will get the 747 any time soon. Delta seems to use smaller planes, such as the 767-300ER, MD-11, and the 777-200, and they seem to be making money. I think that the 747 is just too big for Delta. I think Delta may buy the 777-300 some time or the Long Range 777, but that's about it.

User currently offlineThe spinmaster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (14 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2782 times:

too costly. not enough gate space in ATL for a 747-400 during the Intl pushes here. although it would be nice to see a 747 in the new paint. but, it's on gonna happen.......

User currently offlineDazed767 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 5498 posts, RR: 51
Reply 4, posted (14 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2735 times:

It will never happen. They are trying to slim the fleet down to 737/757/767/777's.

User currently offlineDeltaAir From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1094 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (14 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2734 times:

What about Freighter needs? A Combi Version might not be too bad of an idea.

User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9191 posts, RR: 15
Reply 6, posted (14 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 2713 times:

I hope Delta will get the B 747-400 too! It would be great to see one. In fact, Delta did own some 747-100s brand new delivered from Boeing in the 70s. However, after about 5 years, ALL of its 747s have been sold.

I doubt Delta will get the 747-400 as they seem to use relatively smaller planes like 777, MD 11 etc etc.

Hope this helps. Anymore ideas from anyone?


User currently offlineNY-JFK-LGA From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 374 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (14 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 2702 times:

This is one reason why I absolutely love the mighty Delta Air Lines. They don't need a 744 to prove they are mighty like others. Just take a look at American & Continental also. They don't need 747s. Delta has been performing so nicely without it. Its also proof that the MD-11 must be doing something well for them to keep it. I think the 777s & MD-11s are what sets Delta apart from the rest. Even before the MD-11, it was the almighty L10 TriStar, which we will all remember as long as we live. The TriStar & 767s were its biggest jets. Now, besides the MD-11, my personal faves Delta & Continental as aquired two of the ultimate long range weapons, the awesome 767-400ER and 777s. I would always say that those two are the ultimate carriers of the United States of America.


Bring back McDonnell Douglas & T W A!!
User currently offlineModesto2 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2815 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (14 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2673 times:

While the 747 is the queen of the skies, it's not very popular among U.S. carriers. For example, Delta, US Airways, Continental, American and TWA don't use the 747s. And some of these carriers, such as Delta and American, have been able to get away with transpacific service. Delta uses MD-11s and American uses 777s to Tokyo.

User currently offlineDELTAMD-11 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (14 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 2636 times:

I have to agree with you all, but i can't see Delta really committing to Asia without the big '47, and they're supposed to be getting rid of 7 of their MD11's by 2003, so it seems to me that the 777 is the future flagship for Delta, which while i certainly like the 777, i don't know that it can run the ultra-long range Asian routes, unless Delta decides to buy the 777-200x.

User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9191 posts, RR: 15
Reply 10, posted (14 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 2632 times:

I hope they will get some 747-400s as well

User currently offlineFalcon Flyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 1330 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (14 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 2631 times:

Why does Delta need a -400 to compete in Asia ? If any thing they'll start to deploy 777-200s on the Pacific and if growth is required, move up to the -300ER. Several Asian carriers are already starting to do just that.


My definition of cool ? Not trying so hard to be cool.
User currently offlineTritanic From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (14 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2580 times:

According to sources here in ATL the much aniticipated decision for the China routes are going to UPS. One of the main reasons is the lack of a 747. Certain countries (Russia) will not permit a two engine aircraft through their airspace. I personally think the 777 is a magnificient aircraft, but it is going to cost DL the China routes!!!!

User currently offlineMikeymike From United States of America, joined May 2000, 406 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (14 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2567 times:

Tritanic.....I'm intrigued by your comment that "Certain countries (Russia) will not permit a two engine aircraft through their airspace."....

Out of curiosity, what is your basis for the fact?


User currently offlineUAL-Fan From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 374 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (14 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2557 times:

I am sure that Aeroflot is flying the 777. That statement was rediculous.

User currently offlineIlyushin96M From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 2609 posts, RR: 12
Reply 15, posted (14 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2558 times:

LOL!!! Considering I flew on an Aeroflot 767-300ER last summer to and from Moscow, as well as from St. Petersburg to Moscow, I'd say your statement about Russia not permitting twins in their airspace is absurd at best. Where in the world did you come up with that??? Never mind there are several airlines operating the twinjet Tupolev TU204, 757, A310 and 777, the twinjet Tupolev TU134 has been in service since the '60s!

Watch what you say on here; if you make statements that everyone knows are ridiculous, you lose credibility.


User currently offlineScaredflyer21 From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 355 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (14 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 2524 times:

Delta already has GREAT aircraft (besides theMD-11 ) I think they should replace MD-11's with 744's!!

User currently offlineTritanic From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (14 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 2521 times:

It was Delta pilots who pointed that out, and it had to do with polar flights also. China was the other with a 747 preference. And this was just not the opinion of a few either. Within my company we are very doubtful now about aquiring those routes. SO, kiss my ass on the credability, this is speculative from within the industry, and I'm not saying that NO TWO ENGINE AIRCRAFT CAN TRAVEL WITHIN THOSE COUNTRIES. Just on the proposed direct routing from JFK to CHINA!

User currently offlineTritanic From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (14 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 2508 times:

Gentlemen, please read the related posts about Polar flights.

User currently offlineDeltaAir From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1094 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (14 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 2506 times:

The Future Delta Long-Range Fleet:

7 777-200s are currently in service, with more on the way. All MD-11 aircraft willl be retired prior to, if not by the same time all 727s are retired, which is 2005.

6 more 777-200s are due to be delivered during the next 4 years. This leads me to believe that the 777-200 will not be the flagship for long.

When Ichon Airport in S. Korea opens, look for many new Pacifc routes to open up, espically to there. Once this occurs we will be seeing an influx of 777/747 orders, depending on what is needed in terms of capacity.


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All MD-90 aircraft will be retired by 2005, replacements are unknown at this time.


User currently offlineEWRSpotter From United States of America, joined Apr 2011, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (14 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 2495 times:

This is nonsense. For all those who seem to think the 744 is absolutely required for building an Asian route base from the US east coast, I would like to direct your attention to the following range charts:

http://www.boeing.com/commercial/777-200/rng.html

Note the range of the ER. If you still doubt it, remember the CO is starting EWR-HKG service next year. That's a 16 hour ETOPS flight. As Tritanic correctly pointed out, they will use a polar route.

The last time I checked, Hong Kong was in China.

-Marc.



User currently offlineTritanic From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (14 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 2493 times:

I'm in complete agreement, but for the love of god pass on those sentiments to the Republic of China!!!

User currently offlineEWRSpotter From United States of America, joined Apr 2011, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (14 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 2485 times:

 

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