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G-II Snagged By Emas At BUR Today Oct 13..  
User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 5568 times:

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NTSB ADVISORY
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National Transportation Safety Board
Washington, DC 20594

October 13, 2006

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NTSB TO INVESTIGATE A RUNWAY OVERRUN IN
BURBANK, CALIFORNIA

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The National Transportation Safety Board has sent an
investigator to the scene of today's runway overrun of a
Gulfstream G-II (N113AR) at Burbank-Glendale-Pasadena
Airport, Burbank, California. The aircraft, carrying five
passengers and two crewmembers, overran runway eight and was
stopped by an Engineered Materials Arresting System (EMAS).
There were no injuries to those onboard and minor damage to
the aircraft.

The Safety Board will retrieve the airplane's cockpit voice
recorder, gather radar data, and evaluate the performance of
the EMAS system during this incident.

The Safety Board has made recommendations regarding airport
runway safety areas and is interested in examining the
performance of EMAS.


NTSB Public Affairs, Terry N. Williams: (202) 314-6100

42 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineDL787932ER From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 597 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 5504 times:

FYI, A-Rod (yes, of the Yankees) was on board.


F L Y D E L T A J E T S
User currently offlineSHUPirate1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3670 posts, RR: 17
Reply 2, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 5485 times:

So, what time tommorrow is the announcement going to be made that the Yankees will be using train travel again for the 2007 season?


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User currently offlineKELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 6343 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 5446 times:

Is this the same runway @ BUR that the WN flight went off the end off of in 2000? If so, is the addition of an EMAS area new? I would imagine that there's only so much an EMAS area can do for you...sounds like it worked in this case.


Celebrating the birth of KELPkidJR on August 5, 2009 :-)
User currently offlineBravogolf From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 538 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 5457 times:

Is this the first save for EMAS?

User currently offlineKELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 6343 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 5455 times:

Quoting Bravogolf (Reply 4):
Is this the first save for EMAS?

If so A-Rod has a lot of thanking to do.



Celebrating the birth of KELPkidJR on August 5, 2009 :-)
User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 5439 times:

Quoting KELPkid (Reply 3):
Is this the same runway @ BUR that the WN flight went off the end off of in 2000?

Yes...

Quoting KELPkid (Reply 3):
If so, is the addition of an EMAS area new?

Yes...

Quoting Bravogolf (Reply 4):
Is this the first save for EMAS?

Nope. The one on 04R at JFK has snagged 3; a Saab 340, a DC-10/MD-11, and a 747... There may be other, at JFK and elsewhere, but nothing comes immediately to mind...

[Edit]

Here's pix of the Saab 340 and MD-11 at JFK...

http://esco.zodiac.com/index.cfm/navid-4

[Edited 2006-10-14 01:40:37]

User currently offlineBravogolf From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 538 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 5402 times:

Who pays to replace the damaged EMAS in an overrun? Is the aircraft owner/operator on the hook. Will the aircraft insurance pay?

User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21474 posts, RR: 60
Reply 8, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 5387 times:

Quoting Bravogolf (Reply 4):
Is this the first save for EMAS?

Luckily it wasn't a blown save...



Of all the things to worry about... the Wookie has no pants.
User currently offlineKELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 6343 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 5352 times:

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 8):
Luckily it wasn't a blown save...

A-Rod's not a pitcher  Wink



Celebrating the birth of KELPkidJR on August 5, 2009 :-)
User currently offlineFlyingbronco05 From United States of America, joined May 2002, 3840 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 5301 times:

Quoting OPNLguy (Thread starter):
runway overrun of a
Gulfstream G-II (N113AR)

N113AR is a G-3 according to Flight Aware
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N...R/history/20061013/1752Z/KLAS/KBUR



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User currently offlineFlyDeltaJets87 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 5224 times:

Quoting OPNLguy (Thread starter):

This hasn't been a good week for Yankees baseball players and aviation.


User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 5188 times:

Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 11):

This hasn't been a good week for Yankees baseball players and aviation.

Purely coincidental events, and certainly not comparable as far as the outcomes. Yet, the media loves to link things...


User currently offlineHPLASOps From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 5188 times:

Glad to see that the EMAS system is better at stopping things than Rodriguez is at 3rd base! Think Steinbrenner will think about spending $20 mil on a patch of collapsable concrete to play 3rd base?

User currently offlineKELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 6343 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 5169 times:

Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 12):
Purely coincidental events, and certainly not comparable as far as the outcomes. Yet, the media loves to link things...

Baseball players (and to a certain extent, fans  Wink ) are highly superstitious.



Celebrating the birth of KELPkidJR on August 5, 2009 :-)
User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21515 posts, RR: 55
Reply 15, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 5159 times:

Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 12):
Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 11):

This hasn't been a good week for Yankees baseball players and aviation.

Purely coincidental events, and certainly not comparable as far as the outcomes. Yet, the media loves to link things...

True, but I can't deny that the Yankees and airplanes haven't gotten along too well this week.

Quoting HPLASOps (Reply 13):
Glad to see that the EMAS system is better at stopping things than Rodriguez is at 3rd base! Think Steinbrenner will think about spending $20 mil on a patch of collapsable concrete to play 3rd base?

Can the EMAS swing a bat?  Smile

-Mir



7 billion, one nation, imagination...it's a beautiful day
User currently offlineHPLASOps From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 5118 times:

Quoting Mir (Reply 15):
Can the EMAS swing a bat?

Even if it couldn't, it would still be an upgrade over status quo.


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26361 posts, RR: 76
Reply 17, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 5012 times:

Quoting KELPkid (Reply 3):
Is this the same runway @ BUR that the WN flight went off the end off of in 2000?

Yes

Quoting KELPkid (Reply 3):
If so, is the addition of an EMAS area new? I would imagine that there's only so much an EMAS area can do for you...sounds like it worked in this case.

The EMAS at BUR is designed to stop a 737 travelling 50 kts, which is faster than the WN 733 was going when it went off the runway.



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User currently offlineBoston92 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3390 posts, RR: 7
Reply 18, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 4994 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 17):
The EMAS at BUR is designed to stop a 737 travelling 50 kts, which is faster than the WN 733 was going when it went off the runway.

Still, the EMAS would have helped, and maybe would have reduced injuries.



"Why does a slight tax increase cost you $200 and a substantial tax cut save you 30 cents?"
User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26361 posts, RR: 76
Reply 19, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 4933 times:

Quoting Boston92 (Reply 18):
Still, the EMAS would have helped, and maybe would have reduced injuries.

You need to re-read what I posted. EMAS is designed to stop a 737 going FASTER than the WN 737 was going when it went off the runway. EMAS would have completely stopped the WN 737, and quite possibly prevented it's write off. Further, there were very few injuries in that incident.



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User currently offlineBoston92 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3390 posts, RR: 7
Reply 20, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 4924 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 19):
You need to re-read what I posted. EMAS is designed to stop a 737 going FASTER than the WN 737 was going when it went off the runway. EMAS would have completely stopped the WN 737, and quite possibly prevented it's write off. Further, there were very few injuries in that incident.

I am very sorry. You are right, I did not read your post correctly. Also, there were 47 injuries in the WN incident, that is about 1/3 the a/c.



"Why does a slight tax increase cost you $200 and a substantial tax cut save you 30 cents?"
User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26361 posts, RR: 76
Reply 21, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 4920 times:

Quoting Boston92 (Reply 20):
Also, there were 47 injuries in the WN incident, that is about 1/3 the a/c.

Very few were serious.



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User currently offlineBoston92 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3390 posts, RR: 7
Reply 22, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 4913 times:

That WN flight could have been a LOT worse too. Didn't it come to a standstill within a couple hundred feet from a gas station. That would have been a serious accident.


"Why does a slight tax increase cost you $200 and a substantial tax cut save you 30 cents?"
User currently offlineEIPremier From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1545 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 4894 times:

Slightly OT, but anyone know if they have or plan to put EMAS at MDW now, site of the other infamous WN overrun?

User currently offlineBoston92 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3390 posts, RR: 7
Reply 24, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 4888 times:

Quoting EIPremier (Reply 23):
Slightly OT, but anyone know if they have or plan to put EMAS at MDW now, site of the other infamous WN overrun?

Doesn't MDW have multiple used rnwys. Would they put EMAS on all possible sites?



"Why does a slight tax increase cost you $200 and a substantial tax cut save you 30 cents?"
25 OPNLguy : Actually, they have 13C-31C closed as we speak so they can continue the EMAS installation on the NW side. I beleive they're also going to do the othe
26 Post contains images FlyDeltaJets87 : You're kidding, right? I didn't wait for the media to link them. Being a Yankee fan, it just clicked in my mind and I noted the coincidence on here.
27 N1120A : Actually, it stopped basically in the station, very close to the pumps. Still, the tanks are underground, so it would not have likely been as bad as
28 SHUPirate1 : You know, I cannot believe that, after a good twelve hours, nobody has picked up on that comment... In all seriousness, it is quite a good thing EMAS
29 Boston92 : That is beside the point, there are people filling up at every pump, one spark could blow the car up and the rest of the station; then blowing the ta
30 Brick : You've been watching too many movies. Anyone who has ever seen a hose get pulled off a pump or an old lady run over a pump that results in fire knows
31 Boston92 : Movies, you do realize that we are talking about a Boeing 737 running into a gas station. It could have very well, blown the whole thing up. If you w
32 Bravogolf : Sorry to disappoint you Boston92, but there has NEVER been an explosion of a underground gas tank that was in active service! You can check with the N
33 Liedetectors : " target=_blank>http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N.../KBUR 100% False. There are pictures of it on the database. It is clearly a GII. Interestingly
34 Boston92 : Maybe your idea of explosion is not my idea. If it catches fire, it has exploded into flames. In my mind, that is an explosion, and yes, I know of ga
35 OPNLguy : Funny, but if there hadn't been a NY Yankee aboard, and instead just a bunch of corporate folks in their corporate jet, this never would have garnere
36 Post contains links UA777222 : Hope no one was planning on buying this aircraft, as it is for sale. Regardless of who was onboard, glad the system worked as it should and that every
37 Boston92 : What is AROD doing with a 1973 Gulfstream. I am guessing he owns it given by the AR in N113AR.
38 Post contains images FlyDeltaJets87 : Well, he's getting paid somewhere around $25 million a year so I don't think the cost is an issue. The registration makes sense, as the number on his
39 Boston92 : I meant with the $$ he is getting paid, he could afford something more modern than a 1973. Learjet 45 maybe, or even a Boeing Business Jet.
40 ONTFlyer : No offense but what you are about to read is coming from a professional firefighter. Catching fire and "exploded into flames" is most definitely NOT
41 Post contains links and images UA777222 : Clearly the damage wasn't that bad as the aircraft is flying again.... http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N113AR BUR-OPF Cool pictures too; Matt
42 Post contains images BatonOps : Great pics UA777222. Looks like the EMAS made a good save!!
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