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AirTran To Start FLL/TPA-HPN  
User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32613 posts, RR: 72
Posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 6719 times:

airTran will begin non-stop service between White Plains and both Fort Lauderdale and Tampa this winter:

Effective 21 December 2006:
FL 680 FLL 1115-1400 HPN Daily
FL 652 HPN 1429-1724 FLL Daily

FL 647 TPA 1045-1315 HPN Daily
FL 648 HPN 1329-1619 TPA Daily

I've also been hearing that MIA-HPN might be one the way too.

From White Plains, airTran also flies to Atlanta, Orlando, and West Palm Beach, and will be launching weekend service to Ft. Myers.

From Fort Lauderdale, airTran this winter will offer flights to twelve cities, Akron, Atlanta, Baltimore, Biloxi/Gulfport, Boston, Detroit, Indianapolis, Newport News, Philadelphia, Stewart, and White Plains.

From Tampa, airTran flies to Akron, Atlanta, Baltimore, Biloxi/Gulfport, Dayton, Detroit, Flint, Indianapolis, Milwaukee, Rochester, Stewart, and White Plains.


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User currently offlineSflaflight From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 1183 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 6651 times:

Ah, finally. Boy FL is really pushing secondary destinations from South Florida. What is that 3 now - MDW, IND, HPN.

What year was Carnival's last FLL-HPN flight. I used to take that flight quite frequently and it was very full. The main reason I used to use the service was to visit family. I was able to rent a car (it was also about 25.00/day cheaper than renting in the city and I would do all that in literally 12 minutes from deplane to I684. Nice!


User currently offlineAJMIA From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 731 posts, RR: 15
Reply 2, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 6629 times:

Where is FL getting all the HPN slots from?

Do you think AA would let HPN-MIA go unchallenged?

AJMIA



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User currently offlineWedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5890 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 6543 times:
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Quoting AJMIA (Reply 2):
Where is FL getting all the HPN slots from?

Do you think AA would let HPN-MIA go unchallenged?

AJMIA

Since when has HPN been a slotted airport???


User currently offlineB737700doctor From United States of America, joined May 2005, 77 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 6491 times:

Airtran also added daytona Beach out of BWI and ATL


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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32613 posts, RR: 72
Reply 5, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 6464 times:

Quoting Sflaflight (Reply 1):
Ah, finally. Boy FL is really pushing secondary destinations from South Florida. What is that 3 now - MDW, IND, HPN.

From MIA, only two - IND and MDW. From PBI they fly MDW, IND, HPN. From FLL, they fly to the most cities - GPT, IND, DTW, BWI, PHL, HPN, SWF, BOS, PHF, and CAK.

Quoting AJMIA (Reply 2):

Do you think AA would let HPN-MIA go unchallenged?

If FL actually decides to launch MIA-HPN, yes, AA would let it go unchallenged.



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User currently offlineAJMIA From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 731 posts, RR: 15
Reply 6, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 6464 times:

Quoting Wedgetail737 (Reply 3):
Since when has HPN been a slotted airport???

I believe "slots" at HPN are based on the number of available seats to depart the airport at any given time.

Because the airport is so small and the NIMBY neighbors don't want too many jets flying over their expensive homes they have limits as to how many seats may be scheduled at any give time slot.

I was also under the impression that the airport was fairly maxed out.

I would love to see AA begin MIA-HPN and I believe it would be a great route for us if it is operationally feaseable.

AJMIA



Lady it's a jet... not a kite.
User currently offlineKFLLCFII From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 3296 posts, RR: 30
Reply 7, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 6440 times:

Hadn't another LCC already begun FLL (or maybe PBI) - HPN flights, or am I imagining things?


"About the only way to look at it, just a pity you are not POTUS KFLLCFII, seems as if we would all be better off."
User currently offlineSflaflight From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 1183 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 6410 times:

Quoting KFLLCFII (Reply 7):
Hadn't another LCC already begun FLL (or maybe PBI) - HPN flights, or am I imagining things?

Imagining things. The last South Florida to HPN service was with Carnival, I think. I don't think Pan Am II evere flew it. I could be wrong however. DH has flown the route as a 1 stop thru IAD but that was from PBI.


User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 9, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 6369 times:

Good for AirTran.........they seem to have zeroed in on the underserved White Plains and Stewart to Florida markets......while there are a zillion flights on many airlines from JFK/EWR/LGA to FLorida cities, service in recent years has been very limited from both White Plains and Stewart. I think that all of these services will be a success; many residents of the northern NYC suburbs (including Rockland, Putnam, etc) and southern Connecticut are very interested in alternatives that allow them to bypass LGA or EWR and appreciate the ease of these smaller airports. Pax could be very willing to pay higher fares for the convenience of flying out of HPN and SWF.....also consider that many of these suburbs are among the most affluent in the NYC area (probably among the most affluent in the entire US) so yeilds should be good and premium cabin demand strong (there is also good biz traffic in and out of SWF in particular). Dont ignore the second home crowd...many residents in this area have a second home in Boca or Lauderdale and will happily utilize these services.

Its good to see some innovation.

[Edited 2006-10-14 21:34:43]

User currently offlineClipper002 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 679 posts, RR: 13
Reply 10, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 6329 times:

Just flew FL out of HPN a couple of months ago. Really nice small terminal. That may be the problem though. There is only 1 large gate lounge to serve all gates. Having spent the majority of my life at airports, it appeared to me that 3 full flights would max out the space in that one lounge. Of course all of the other carriers serving HPN do so with their "express" partners but still even some of those a/c are getting up there in size. I used it as an alternative to LGA as we were travelling S/A and LGA/ATL didn't look good at all. I wouldn't hesitate to use it again and that includes my drive out to Long Island after arrival.

Rgds,
Ed



Ed
User currently offlineJetBlueGuy2006 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1649 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 6285 times:

Are they using a 717, I assume? Or are they using a 737


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User currently offlineDCA-ROCguy From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 4488 posts, RR: 33
Reply 12, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 6266 times:

From Fort Lauderdale, airTran this winter will offer flights to twelve cities, Akron, Atlanta, Baltimore, Biloxi/Gulfport, Boston, Detroit, Indianapolis, Newport News, Philadelphia, Stewart, and White Plains.

Is AirTran not going to bring back ROC-FLL? Is there any possibility that JetBlue might be interested?

Jim


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32613 posts, RR: 72
Reply 13, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 6261 times:

Quoting DCA-ROCguy (Reply 12):
Is AirTran not going to bring back ROC-FLL? Is there any possibility that JetBlue might be interested?

It is on their route map, but you can't book it. So I do not think so. I think jetBlue is well suited for the route. SFL-ROC has 273 daily passengers during the slow season, which is nearly 1.5x Tampa-Rochester.

airTran probably has faced the same problem many other domestic airlines face in South Florida: there is a such a strong contigency of loyal frequent flyers for a select few airlines - American Airlines, Delta Airlines, Continental Airlines, and jetBlue - that other airlines have trouble getting a strong footing in the local market and have to rely too heavily on terminating traffic.

[Edited 2006-10-15 00:03:51]


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User currently offlineWedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5890 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 6123 times:
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Quoting AJMIA (Reply 6):
I believe "slots" at HPN are based on the number of available seats to depart the airport at any given time.

Because the airport is so small and the NIMBY neighbors don't want too many jets flying over their expensive homes they have limits as to how many seats may be scheduled at any give time slot.

I was also under the impression that the airport was fairly maxed out.

I would love to see AA begin MIA-HPN and I believe it would be a great route for us if it is operationally feaseable.

So, HPN is more like an east coast version of LGB.


User currently offlineAJMIA From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 731 posts, RR: 15
Reply 15, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 6048 times:

Quoting Wedgetail737 (Reply 14):
So, HPN is more like an east coast version of LGB.

Someone more familiar with the airport could probably answer that question with details, but yes, that is my impression of the situation at HPN.

Now that most of the majors have shifted to RJ and turboprop service from HPN there might be more capacity available for FL to start new service.

AJMIA



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User currently offlineSflaflight From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 1183 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 5965 times:

Quoting Wedgetail737 (Reply 14):

So, HPN is more like an east coast version of LGB.

Bingo! That is exactly what it is like, except that HPN is modern and is not in a congested urban area, yet it serves cities and municipalities around it that totals over a million when all added together. Actually, anybody who has been to HPN know how small the access road is, though there was talk of widening it. My family on my dad's side is from Ridegefield, CT (aross state lines, but a very short distance). The interesting thing is because I leave from South FLorida, I fly to either LGA or JFK, and they come and pick me up for the hour drive to CT. (I just make sure not to fly in rush hour 'cause that will cause the drive to increase to 2 hours just to cross the bridge.
My experience with HPN is solely to rent a car to drive to other points in the NE. It is CONSIDERABLY cheaper to rent from HPN then to rent form NYC.

The terminal is very small and the rental car agencies only have a small both, but it works. The advantage of renting a car from HPN is that it can e dropped off at any NYC area airport at no extra charge.

HPN is mostly for Executive Jets (Net Jets has a BIG hub there).


User currently offlineRedngold From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 6907 posts, RR: 45
Reply 17, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 5917 times:

Link? I didn't see anything about this on AirTran's website. My family could use the TPA flights.


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User currently offlineHVNandrew From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 428 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 5770 times:

Wow. Quite an investment by FL.

DL is up to like six or seven HPN-ATL flights a day, all on RJ's. Anyone think they might start mainline service to HPN, or an RJ flight to MCO?


User currently offlineDAYflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 3807 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 5769 times:

I think it will do well. To many flights out of EWR/JFK/LGA require people on the Island to drive quite a ways. Closer service for them will be a big hit.

Congrats to FL.....long may she grow.



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User currently offlineDeltaDAWG From United States of America, joined May 2006, 776 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 5747 times:

What will this do to Spirit and JetBlue one wonders?

FL seems to really be cranking up the heat as of late on Spirits stomping grounds as well as both DL's and B6's hold on N. East to S. Florida.

If FL were to start some Caribbean services out of FL would that be enough to drive Spirit into the spiritworld? Can't help but wonder?

I don't think it will affect B6's strategy overall but it may force their hand on dealing with some travelers that would rather fly out of HPN than LGA, JFK or EWR. Could it affect B6's loads during the winter. Really the only spot left for FL to go south from is Boston.



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