A388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 5768 posts, RR: 14 Reply 1, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 12663 times:
Wow, if this is really going to be their new image, congratulations on a very nice and stunning livery!!! Very nice I must say. Is the hummingbird typical for Trinidad & Tobago?
P.S. What is the rate at which the aircraft will receive this new livery? How many aircraft will be painted in this new livery by May next year and on which routes are the first newly painted aircraft most likely to be used on?
ERJ170 From United States, joined Apr 2004, 5764 posts, RR: 22 Reply 4, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 12526 times:
I like it. I like it a lot. The Eurowhite is a bit too much and I would hate to see it dirty, but I like the oversized hummingbird.. very cool. I hope there are more decals than just the hummingbird.
AA1818 From Trinidad And Tobago, joined Feb 2006, 2687 posts, RR: 6 Reply 6, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 12484 times:
Quoting A388 (Reply 1): Is the hummingbird typical for Trinidad & Tobago?
Yes it is very typical. I can't remember exactly but we've either got the most species or all the species of humming birds in the world and on a per capita basis, our overall bird species on a per capita basis is unrivalled! Asa Wright is big in Trinidad specifically for birdwatching!
I like it, but it's a radical departure from BWs livery. Very complicated- must be expensive to maintain all that detail!
Also notice the T&T and Barbados flags- not just T&T....hmmmmm
BWIA 772 From United States, joined May 2002, 2037 posts, RR: 3 Reply 8, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 12391 times:
Things i like. They are still keeping the with warmth of the islands. The humming bird is nice but the purple colour and font of the letters are hideous to say the least. I would have prefered to see the scarlet ibis on the tail. The humming bird is in the court of arms of Trinidad and Tobago.
IMHO it is about the sunjet names are brought back.
Turk223 From Barbados, joined Aug 2003, 238 posts, RR: 1 Reply 10, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 12287 times:
As a former BeeWee employee (and someone who can go back far enough to have flown on one of the 727s!), I still think it's very sad that BWIA is disappearing, but...
The new livery is very nice. I think a different font would have been cool and not " a la Pan Am"*. Isn't it going to be hard to maintain such a detailed paint job?
*huge lettering across the fuselage (small and above the windows towards the front looks better in my opinion)
I'm surprised that they are announcing JFK, MIA, YYZ, and LHR! I thought there were going to be cuts to some routes?
Also, why the Barbados flag??? Did my little country buy a stake in the airline?
Ahlfors From Antigua And Barbuda, joined Oct 2000, 1268 posts, RR: 7 Reply 12, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 12242 times:
Looking at the route map, looks like ANU is going to be the big loser. Flights to JFK, YYZ as well as non-stops to POS(!) will be cut. I wonder what routing the ???-ANU-LHR flight will have.
Ahlfors From Antigua And Barbuda, joined Oct 2000, 1268 posts, RR: 7 Reply 13, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 12222 times:
Quoting Turk223 (Reply 10): Also, why the Barbados flag??? Did my little country buy a stake in the airline?
That's not a Barbados flag. It's a Caricom flag. Now why that's on there is anyone's guess. Maybe they're trying to copy the EU, where a lot of carriers have the EU flag on their planes.
Northernlights From Iceland, joined May 2004, 86 posts, RR: 1 Reply 14, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 12197 times:
Quoting AA1818 (Reply 6): Also notice the T&T and Barbados flags- not just T&T....hmmmmm
That´s not the Barbados flag next to the Trinidad & Tobago flag, but it´s the flag of the Caribbean Community and Common Market (or CARICOM ) as displayed here:
The flag of Barbados looks different as you can see below here:
JMBWEEBOY From United States, joined Feb 2006, 173 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 12066 times:
All in all I am pleasantly surprised, I was very skeptical how the old livery
could be outdone but this comes fairly close to doing so.
I agree with Turk23 a different "font" could be used for the name Caribbean
Airlines. However, employing the hummingbird on the tail is positively stunning
as its depicted. The fact that a trini national symbol the hummingbird is so prominently featured as was the "steel pan" in the old livery is very reassuring.
There are many things yet to know about the new "Caribbean" but surely
this is a great start!
Captaink From Mexico, joined May 2001, 4346 posts, RR: 15 Reply 19, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 12056 times:
Hmmm not bad. The bird has to stay, that looks really nice. However they need to something more with the body. The large print I don't like too much. Love the hummingbird can't get over it. Very different to BWIA's colours though.
Voodoo From Niue, joined Mar 2001, 1859 posts, RR: 0 Reply 20, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 12058 times:
If the Air Jamaica Bird o' Paradise could be interpreted as a `hummingbird' as well... one has the makings of a mergable symbol i.e. JM adopting the photorealistic bird. Other islands getting `their' species on the tail Frontier like. Just mulling the unimaginable there.......
AA1818 From Trinidad And Tobago, joined Feb 2006, 2687 posts, RR: 6 Reply 23, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 11842 times:
Quoting Northernlights (Reply 14): Quoting AA1818 (Reply 6):
Also notice the T&T and Barbados flags- not just T&T....hmmmmm
That´s not the Barbados flag next to the Trinidad & Tobago flag, but it´s the flag of the Caribbean Community and Common Market (or CARICOM )
Sorry- bad eyes: I shud have looked closer!!!
The rationale behind putting the CC flag would be perhaps more symbolic at the start, but i suspect that some form of legislation or Caribbean ratitification must be on the cards soon whereby all ships and a/c etc would have to display the CC flag and as an option the flag of the island they are in! Just a guess really, but PM Manning is hoping to be known as father of the Caribbean, just as Dr. E. Williams was known as father of the nation (T&T).
A388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 5768 posts, RR: 14 Reply 24, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 11674 times:
As I have said already I love the new livery. When I first read about BW being replaced by a new airline I thaught like, there goes a very nice livery with the steel pan and turqouise/yellow colors. But now that I have seen the livery of Caribbean Airlines I was like, wow, job very well done! Even for a Eurowhite livery it looks very stunning. I even love the font and the different coloring of the letters. It makes the livery less greenish so to speak, so an excellent choice in my opinion. I do agree with the ones who find this livery expensive to maintain especially the hummingbird on the tail. That will require very detailed precision work to apply on this part of the aircraft if for any reason it has to be removed for maintenance and re-applied. Other than that, the livery is awesome!!!!
And AA1818, now that you say it I do reading in the past that most hummingbirds do live in T&T, I forgot about it so it is an excellent choice.
Like I've asked already, does anyone know at what rate the aircraft will receive this new livery and where the first newly painted aircraft will be flying too? The reason why I ask is because I want to photograph this beauty once it flies. If Caribbean Airlines will fly to CUR soon that would be even better for me!!! But AA1818 said chances are very small Caribbean Airlines will start flying to CUR any time soon....
26 N754PR: Very nice scheme, not as nice as BWIA but still nice.
27 Flybyguy: Eww... that livery is so cheap... there is not an ounce of class in it at all. The BWIA brand has always had a bit of colour and a bit of professional
28 Trintocan: Oh well, change is inevitable in life. It is sad to see the new BW paintscheme go so soon after it came in (just 7 years ago, the first 737-800 and a
29 AA1818: Anyone noticed that on the BWEE website, it no longer displays the codeshare routes with LIAT????? Sine when did that happen?? Is that anything to do
30 MIAMIx707: Another white plane, I admit the hummingbird is interesting but.. did the plane have to be all white? I don't know if they will keep the hummingbird t
31 A388: Correct. DCE applied the hibiscus flower to its fleet of three Dash-8s but the MD82s and DC-9s never received the hibiscus flower as it was too expen
32 BWIA330: Tail looks nice, the body needs work, i dont like that font. Maybe because they havent done a good rendition of how it is really suppose to look. Any
33 ERJ170: Okay.. but I'm still confused. From the website, they have A340 and 738. Is that the only fleet type they have? Is that the fleet type they are going
34 A388: Caribbean Airlines will keep the same aircraft that BW operates, meaning the A343 and the 738 except that two 738s will be returnt to the lessor. The
35 Arcano: I kind of agree here, not really fan about the name nor the livery. I'm not sure if I0m the only one here, but can anybody answer me what BWIA brand
36 Captaink: It looks like the current route system to me, minus IAD, but with GND. BW does not currently operate GND/BGI, however it does codeshare with LIAT on
37 Trintocan: White fuselage with blue engine livery? Arcano, you are referring to the interim scheme painted on 9Y-JIL, the ex VS A340-300. The plane was painted t
38 Vasu: Oh, now I want photos! Anyone got any photos / further information about what this flying hell hole's like?
39 Semsem: Why are they hiring new staff for so called new airline? It really is the same identical as Beewee.
40 Captaink: They are using BWIA's assets, but essentially this is not BW, but the birth of a whole new airline. The staff hired would be alot less than the curre
41 787KQ: Your thoughts about this mirror mine, but we are the minority on here.
42 AA1818: The current BW fleet consists of 2 A343s 7 B738s and BW also has I believe 5 Dash8-Q300s which are on 'loan' to Tobago Express. From what I heard, th
43 Captaink: Seems to me that most people prefer the current livery, ie steel pan, including myself. You are not the minority. This new livery cannot compare to t
44 American777: Here is a Caribbean Airlines Boeing 787 my friend Oso Blanco did: JOE.
45 Captaink: The paint looks silverish. That way it looks really smart.
46 MIAMIx707: I don't know if it's the more normal sized letters but the look seems nicer on that 787. I like it a bit more than yesturday. I like the combination o
47 AA1818: Stunning- now if only I could have a word with Peter Davies, tell him to enter into a gentleman's agreement with Boeing, or perhaps BW could find a p
48 BWIA 772: AA1818 It would be nice to see Caribbean Airlines with an all Boeing fleet. Hi guys 9Y TAB is currently in ATL where it will be repainted and fitted w
49 AA1818: I had no idea- i was speaking about that to a board member about 2 months ago and he said that it probably wasn't going to happen since they didn't w
50 American777: I hope so too. Here is a taste of how their first airplane will look. I know the winglets won't be painted that way but that is my idea to reflect wi
51 BWIA 772: AA1818 If that is the case I hope the airline can be profitable. That would validate his policies and help enlighten the board about doing things diff
52 BWIA 772: Hi guys You can read the full article http://www.trinidadexpress.com/index.pl/article_business?id=161036205
53 A388: How come I can't see all those impressions in this thread of the Caribbean Airlines 787 and 738 with winglets..... I can't see the photos, can anyone
54 Trintocan: Well well, Caribbean Airlines is certainly making a splash ahead of its 2007 take-off! It would be good to see the planes in the new paint-scheme, alt
55 AA1818: I suspect that it will be difficult to tell where the paint Caribbean Airlines 737 will be at any given time. The 737s operate a heavy schedule and f
56 Captaink: I noticed on the route map, that GND is linked with BGI. What's up with that? IS GND an immediate route expansion? Cuase it is already there.
57 American777: I have my modification of a Caribbean Airlines Boeing 737-800 with winglets, but I still don't get permission from Andrew Hunt (AndyHunt) to show you
58 A388: You are right in that CUR has business ties with Trinidad. You gave a nice example of RBTT Bank. This bank is the second largest bank in CUR is incre
59 AA1818: I hope I am right too in assuming it's on their priority list, but I could be wrong. All I know for sure is that it is a strongly considered possibil
60 DILF: HORRIBLE cheap looking livery. BUH-LECCCCCCHH!!!!! That font is about as cheesy as it could possibly get -- and yet again - another all-white bore wit
61 MIAMIx707: Call me crazy but I'm liking this "look" a bit more. Yes the title font is not the best but beats the italics or other fonts some airlines are using.
62 Luisde8cd: Looks like no plans for CCS yet. Poor pax have to take VH for the nonstops between CCS and POS Saludos desde Caracas, Luis
63 Turk223: When, oh when, are we going to see better options between the eastern Caribbean and Latin America? You all are probably bored from hearing me say tha
64 AA1818: South American expansion is on the cards for Caribbean Airlines- the problem is logistics- where to fly, is it leisure or business, what a/c to use. L
65 A388: it would indeed be nice to see more air connections between the Caribbean and South America. One of the factors that makes this difficult in my opini
66 Abrelosojos: So are there any other airlines with the hummingbird as the logo? Doesnt IT have a hummingbird as well? Thanks, A.
67 A388: Kingfisher Airlines doesn't have a hummingbird on its tail, but as the name already says, the bird on Kingfisher Airlines's tail is --> the kingfisher
68 WestIndian425: Well it's been a while since I been here, guys. Sorry. Interesting livery, I must say. I agree with everyone about the tail -- it's beautiful. I'm not
69 BWIA 772: http://www.jamaica-gleaner.com/glean...r/20061020/business/business4.html Please note that the above are excerpts from JamaicaGleaner Friday October 2
71 AA1818: First of all- new airline = Caribbean Airlines, I thought Humming Bird was some code name or some thing- confused me there for a while. Second of all
72 Ardian: It looks very nice I really like it. The font looks great too with the gradient in it.
73 Captaink: But even with Boeings, there is a fleet mismatch. JM is in the market for 2 B757s whereas BW / 'CA' flies 738s. I have heard rumours of JMs interest
74 A388: Hey Captaink, what's up. Are you sure JM will definately order/lease 757 on their own? As far as I know, JM is still evaluating the aircraft (and Boe
75 American777: I never got a response back from Andrew Hunt to see if he lended me his photo. But here is a modified pic from my friend Gabriel: Modified Airliner Ph
76 A388: WOW, that's nice work Joe. Great job, it almost looks real and it gives you a good view on how the livery will look like in real life. I must say now
77 Trintocan: It would be interesting to see what destinations the new Caribbean Airlines will add. As far as Haiti is concerned, BW did serve Port au Prince some y
78 A388: True, you can still reach CUR from POS by flying via PBM. LM/K8 operated to POS in the past and it was one of their most profitable routes next to MI
79 AA1818: If I had to look at routes that I thought 'CA' should look at it would be 1) POS-CUR-KIN-CUR-POS 2) POS-PAP-SDQ-POS 3) POS-CCS-POS timing for onward
80 A388: CUR-KIN sounds interesting but as far as I know JM already serves Jamaica from CUR pretty well (flights to both KIN and MBJ). No real need to fly the
82 BWIA 772: AA1818 Humming Bird is just my nick for the Caribbean Airlines IMHO it doesn't sound as generic as Caribbean Airlines. I know that the numbers aren't
83 Captaink: A complete fleet change to Boeing, yeah that is just something they are considering nothing near a definite decision. As far as the 757s are concerne
84 BWIA 772: Hi guys JIL the white ex VS A340 has left BW. She left POS as BW 7900 to LGW on Thursday night. Got the info from caribbeanalpa View Large View Medium
85 Captaink: Wow... well goodbye to JIL. So right now it is just TJN? I hope there is no breakdown drama etc... YOu remember how it was before JIL came?
86 A388: Before JIL it meant regular visits by 747s from Air Plus, 767s and L15s of Euro Atlantic, LOT 763s, all interesting aircraft for our region I must sa
87 Captaink: Very true, exciting for us, bad for the customers. Don't forget to include the A310, can't remember who from. Though I must say, as much as I love av
88 Trintocan: About the routes you suggested AA1818, I would agree with CCS services being restored. CUR should also be started but as already mentioned extension t
89 A388: Very true. I also prefer to fly the aircraft of the airline I booked my ticket with and not a leased aircraft even though I have to say that a leased
90 Captaink: True though in the case of BW, if I am not mistaken, TJN has 33-34in leg room in Economy, pretty hard to beat. Good look!!! I want to see you photogr
91 A388: Here you go, the link to all my photos at airliners.net: http://www.airliners.net/search/phot...%20Cannegieter&distinct_entry=true Hope you like them
92 Captaink: Boy, stop sneaking under the airports boundary fence. HEHE just kidding. Those are amazing pics. CUR sure gets a nice variety of airlines. BTW I only
93 A388: Nice photo Captain Do you take a lot of aircraft photos? I know for sure that MEX has a lot of very nice aircraft movement and I don't just mean Mexi
94 AA1818: I'm guessing they will name the jets probably after birds!! hehe Scarlet Ibis Cocrico Blue Tanager Yellow Bird etc... one can only hope!! Sad times s
95 A388: Questions we are all waiting on to get the answer.... A388
96 A388: I have a few questions: 1. If CUR has a lot of potential than why did BW pull out the route when it just started flying POS-CUR a few years ago? I thi
97 AA1818: I believe it was stopped due to a shortage of a/c. Also didn't BW operate flights to CUR last year??? Those were definitely stopped as a result of la
98 Vasu: A bit of an unrelated question... ... why are 9Y-JIL's engines blue? Thats not in the BWIA scheme or the previous Virgin one...
99 A388: Hi AA1818, that was the period I was actually referring to. I think BW operated to CUR in early 2005 before I came back to CUR. Too bad as I would ha
100 BWIA 772: Caribbean Aviation is certainly in a period of change, we have been there before and we all hope that this time it is different. Anyone has an idea of
101 Captaink: Someone posted somewhere March 2007 if Caribbean Airlines doesn't do the LHR route
102 AA1818: March '07 is the date I heard, but I was told that it is dependent on what 'CA' does about the London route. I think they will keep the A340 for a co
103 BWIA 772: Ok on Caribbeanalpa they posted that Caribbean Airlines will stop BGI JFK BGI MIA. I could understand MIA as AA has 2 flights on the route by JFK. htt
104 DZ09: New York Daily News had an article about this today. I was surprised to read that the new guy in charge used to run SN Brussels.
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