UAL747-600 From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 538 posts, RR: 0 Posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 6700 times:
The article states that within 2 years they'll have 26 747-400F (didn't break down existing new build F's and BCFs). Additionally, they are looking at 777-200F's and 747-8F's. Also states that they'll be placing a pax order by year end. Here's the statement.
fair use except:
According to Lee, before year-end, Korean Air will decide on a major aircraft order to add to its passenger fleet. The airline is looking at the Boeing 787 (of which it has already ordered 10), the 747-8 and the 777-300ER, in addition to the 747-8F and the 777F. Lee says Korean Air is not interested in the Airbus A350.
OldAeroGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 3206 posts, RR: 66 Reply 2, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 6654 times:
Quoting MauriceB (Reply 1): Quote:
Lee says Korean Air is not interested in the Airbus A350.
This is actually the first time i hear this since airlines make the choice between 787/A350...
Perhaps it's because they have already selected the 787.
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DeltaDC9 From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 2844 posts, RR: 4 Reply 4, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 6449 times:
Quoting OldAeroGuy (Reply 2): Perhaps it's because they have already selected the 787.
Quoting MauriceB (Reply 3): mean, SQ orderd the A350 after they already orderd the 787...
The 350 competes with the 787 AND the 777, so it is a question of which models, as they actually dovetail quite well and do not really match pound for pound seat for seat anyways.
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Johnny From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 0 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 6401 times:
For Korean it makes no sense to go the A350-way because Korean Aerospace produces parts for the B787.
The other reason for their Boeing-Preference this time could also be the political situation right now.As we all know South Korea is seeking for military assistance from the US, so a Boeing order is political correct right now.
NYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5150 posts, RR: 49 Reply 6, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 6333 times:
Quoting Johnny (Reply 5): For Korean it makes no sense to go the A350-way because Korean Aerospace produces parts for the B787.
The other reason for their Boeing-Preference this time could also be the political situation right now.As we all know South Korea is seeking for military assistance from the US, so a Boeing order is political correct right now.
I think that is more than understandable.
They only make the tailcone for the 787, hardly a major piece like the main fuselage.
SK also gets military assistance from a lot of other countries aside from the US and KAL is an independent company. If they are to make an order politics and other economic considerations are really not going to be factor. The only factor is which aircraft is best of its needs. BTW year end is in ten weeks. Not too long before KAL and few other majors decide on what they want to order.
Bringiton From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 866 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 6293 times:
Why dont we also consider the fact that they might find the 787 more atractive to their buisness plan and airline requirments ?? Another reason could be that they do have cozy relationship with boeing and the 787 could offer ofset discount on the F-15K deal or the 737AEW which has been selected !! There are numerous reasons which could explain their explaination but we have to seriously consider the fact they they dont know what and when the XWB is going to come out and they have allready ordered the 787 so it should be a much safer descision specially if they are looking at the -8 varient !
Scaledesigns From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 211 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 6260 times:
For them to say they are "NOT" looking at the A350 is a slap for something they did or didnt do.We all know what it is.
Manni From South Korea, joined Nov 2001, 4221 posts, RR: 23 Reply 9, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 6200 times:
Quoting Bringiton (Reply 7): Another reason could be that they do have cozy relationship with boeing and the 787 could offer ofset discount on the F-15K deal or the 737AEW which has been selected !!
KE is a private company. They could care less what the army pays for their toys.
Quoting Scaledesigns (Reply 8): For them to say they are "NOT" looking at the A350 is a slap for something they did or didnt do.
I dont understand this kind of announcements. OZ did exactely the same when talking about the 748i and the A350 (before its current proposal). You could atleast pretend, in order not to pay a premium for the aircraft you want.
Quoting UAL747-600 (Thread starter): According to Lee, before year-end, Korean Air will decide on a major aircraft order to add to its passenger fleet. The airline is looking at the Boeing 787 (of which it has already ordered 10), the 747-8 and the 777-300ER, in addition to the 747-8F and the 777F. Lee says Korean Air is not interested in the Airbus A350.
Since you haven't mentioned the source, we'll have to take it at face value. However KE has said that it might convert her options for the A380 into firm orders, including the A380F, before the end of the year IIRC.
posted in Air and Cosmos (a topic on this can be found in the archives).
UAL747-600 From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 538 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 6177 times:
Quoting Manni (Reply 9): Since you haven't mentioned the source, we'll have to take it at face value. However KE has said that it might convert her options for the A380 into firm orders, including the A380F, before the end of the year IIRC.
The source is this week's Aviation Weekly and Space Technology as mentioned in the subject header.
N328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6222 posts, RR: 3 Reply 11, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 6114 times:
Quoting Johnny (Reply 5): For Korean it makes no sense to go the A350-way because Korean Aerospace produces parts for the B787.
It must be interesting living in a world where every order is conducted primarily for political reasons.
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BoeingFever777 From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 409 posts, RR: 57 Reply 12, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 6101 times:
I believe that KE's upcoming order will be an all Boeing order both for freighter/passanger expansion.
Scouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 3254 posts, RR: 10 Reply 15, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 5902 times:
Quoting Vivekman2006 (Reply 14): With the current fiasco over the production delays of the A380, it remains to be seen when the A350 would see the light of day!
It makes sense for KE to stick to Boeing as the 777-300ER is already flying and the 787 prototype is under construction
Agree it's likely that they need planes before 2012 so they'll have to go for either/or/and 787 777 - unless they want some cheap A330s?
Aerokiwi From New Zealand, joined Jul 2000, 2410 posts, RR: 4 Reply 17, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 5629 times:
First up, SQ has signed a LOI for the A350XWB only, largely because no one knows quite what this plane will be yet and when it will be it. And for the very same reason, plus the fact that the A350 is projected to not fully compete with the 787, KE has ruled the plane out. Can you blame them? Business HATES uncertainty and that's exactly what Airbus keeps dishing up in spades.
I would expect a 773ER and 748F order combination.
Boeingfever777 From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 409 posts, RR: 57 Reply 18, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 5603 times:
If KE is for real on getting the 773ER where in there network would they fly this a/c or would this order be meant for expansion?
2wingtips From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 20, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 5461 times:
Quoting Manni (Reply 9): Since you haven't mentioned the source, we'll have to take it at face value. However KE has said that it might convert her options for the A380 into firm orders, including the A380F, before the end of the year IIRC.
This is also from the same article and suggests KE won't order 380Fs:
By contrast, Choi all but rules out an order for the Airbus A380
freighter, saying that containers and infrastructure provisions are
not compatible with the aircraft. With Korean Air's high share of
transit freight, the airline is particularly keen to standardize
containers and procedures.
Lightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 10659 posts, RR: 100 Reply 21, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 4842 times:
Quoting 2wingtips (Reply 20): By contrast, Choi all but rules out an order for the Airbus A380
freighter, saying that containers and infrastructure provisions are
not compatible with the aircraft. With Korean Air's high share of
transit freight, the airline is particularly keen to standardize
containers and procedures.
Interesting reasoning...
With all due respect, I hope Korean Air kept such details "hidden" until the purchase price was agreed upon!
I'm amazed by how fast freight is growing. (Note I didn't say suprised.) ICN looks to be growing into a nice pax and frieght hub!
Carpethead From Japan, joined Aug 2004, 2769 posts, RR: 4 Reply 22, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 4342 times:
Not to be overlooked is an additional order for 737NGs. Perhaps wingleting their existing fleet of 738s.
When are they going to replace the remaining fleet of A300s? Though not very old yet, fleet numbers are small, relative speaking to other aircraft families KE operates. While not a direct seat-per-seat basis replacement, the 739ER would be a good replacement plane. Increase frequencies and where KE can't like on NRT-PUS/CJU, the larger A333 could be used.
Manni From South Korea, joined Nov 2001, 4221 posts, RR: 23 Reply 23, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 3736 times:
Quoting 2wingtips (Reply 20): This is also from the same article and suggests KE won't order 380Fs:
Correct, however when the article was published I reffered to the A380F was still an option. The delays of the A380 has cost Airbus a potential A380F customer it seems.
From the article,
"Choi explained that the carrier is "still weighing" which aircraft to order but has narrowed its choices down to the 777F and 747-8F. It "was interested in the A380 freighter, but it's too late now [given the delays to A380 production]," he said. "There is not much option left in [the long-haul freighter] market," and the airline "probably" will order both Boeing types."
The wording is a bit strange. Why 'probably'? Is Airbus having a shot at it with the soon to be launched A332F or perhaps a A345F?
As for the passenger aircraft,
from the article,
"Korean Air President and COO Jong Hee Lee said the 777-300ER and 747-8 passenger version also are under consideration. VP-Strategy Development Keehong Woo added that an order for new passenger aircraft is forthcoming. "We need more aircraft in the future and we are talking with Boeing and Airbus," he said. When asked to characterize the size of the order to be placed, he said, "It's not small."
2wingtips From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 24, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 3724 times:
Quoting Manni (Reply 23): No word on the A350 being rejected...
except they may want their planes before 2014/15
25 Flykal: More 737NG's will be on the way and yes, some will be fitted with winglets.
26 Centrair: Just a little note about the 787 and Korea. They have a direct contract to build the tail cone. However, there are some subcontracts from Mitsubishi,
27 American777: SQ signed a letter of intent to purchase 20 A350XWB's! So now I think that SQ will not firm the order since they firm up their order for 20 Boeing 78
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