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JetBlue Gets Approval For 4 Flights To ORD  
User currently offlinePlanemannyc From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 1007 posts, RR: 8
Posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 10915 times:

Crain's is reporting that news

http://newyorkbusiness.com/news.cms?newsId=14998

Service to start in Jan 2007.

Searched topics, but could not find the confirmation of flights (although some discussed the request for 8 services, then 4 services).

Best,

Wasim / Planemannyc

[Edited 2006-10-16 22:01:34]

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User currently offlineTWFirst From Vatican City, joined Apr 2000, 6346 posts, RR: 52
Reply 1, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 10875 times:

Interesting... the article states B6 says the service to ORD would be from "a city that we already serve".... so perhaps it isn't a foregone conclusion the service would be from NYC.... which perhaps isn't too surprising.... the CHI-NYC market already has AA, UA, CO, DL, TZ & FL, I believe.... so would B6 operate BOS-ORD? IAD-ORD?


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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21472 posts, RR: 60
Reply 2, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 10869 times:

All heck is about to break loose at ORD...


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User currently offlineJerseyguy From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 1951 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 10876 times:
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User currently offlineDeltaFFinDFW From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1438 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 10877 times:

Interesting since DL just announced BOS-MDW today also.

User currently offlinePlanemannyc From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 1007 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 10795 times:

I had not realized that the approval would come this quickly.

Best,

wasim / Planemannyc


User currently offlineJetBlueAtJFK From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 1687 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 10770 times:

Here is the talks about lowering the application to 4 slots:

Jetblue Cuts Request To ORD In Half (by Lowecur Oct 13 2006 in Civil Aviation)

Glad to here they got these slots and if the flights work out they can go back for more if their is any slots open.

B6jfk airplane 



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User currently offlineCMHSRQ From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 990 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 10769 times:

So what does everyone think, 3 a day to JFK and 1 a day to BOS?


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User currently offlineJetBlueAtJFK From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 1687 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 10749 times:

Quoting CMHSRQ (Reply 7):
So what does everyone think, 3 a day to JFK and 1 a day to BOS?

Most likely since they have to 1100 slots they can't have that as a LGB flight since it would have to leave before the curfew. Probably BOS or maybe a Florida city, but I would think BOS since they are building up the 190 Business routes.

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User currently offlineFA4B6 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 10701 times:

Quoting CMHSRQ (Reply 7):
So what does everyone think, 3 a day to JFK and 1 a day to BOS?

I think 4 JFK's, even with the two 11AM slots. They can do a redeye from LGB that would arrive before 0700.


User currently offlineCMHSRQ From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 990 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 10694 times:

Quoting JetBlueAtJFK (Reply 8):
robably BOS or maybe a Florida city,

Like SRQ which has 0 flights to ORD. That would be nice, but I expect BOS and JFK.



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User currently offlineEWRandMDW From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 410 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 10629 times:

Yawn.....

The world is saved! B6 is coming to O'Hare!  bored 


User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16810 posts, RR: 51
Reply 12, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 10600 times:

Quoting TWFirst (Reply 1):
the CHI-NYC market already has AA, UA, CO, DL, TZ & FL, I believe.... so would B6 operate BOS-ORD? IAD-ORD?

How about 4 daily ORD-LGA.



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User currently offlinePanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 10514 times:

Quote:
Yawn.....

The world is saved! B6 is coming to O'Hare!

Be careful what you wish for, B6...if you have ever experienced the delays that ORD is subjected to, you are in for a RUDE awakening.

Who knows? Maybe they'll pull out after experiencing a few operational nightmares and run to GYY where they'll have the whole airport to themselves.



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User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 10515 times:

So, how many flights will AA and UA now each add at ORD, 50, 75, or 100?

User currently offlineBelizexp From Belize, joined Dec 2005, 373 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 10454 times:

Quoting Planemannyc (Reply 5):
I had not realized that the approval would come this quickly.

I agree

Quoting STT757 (Reply 12):
How about 4 daily ORD-LGA.

I can't see this one happening anytime soon.

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 14):
So, how many flights will AA and UA now each add at ORD, 50, 75, or 100?

Good one I can't wait to see AA and UA next move.



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32596 posts, RR: 72
Reply 16, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 10404 times:

I'm thinking they might do Florida. Easier to compete.


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User currently offlineUnited787 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2686 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 10378 times:

Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 13):
Who knows? Maybe they'll pull out after experiencing a few operational nightmares and run to GYY where they'll have the whole airport to themselves.

I would bet on that!


User currently offlineAIR757200 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 1579 posts, RR: 7
Reply 18, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 10378 times:

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 2):
All heck is about to break loose at ORD...

Just from four arrival slots? I doubt that.


User currently offlineFutterman From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1301 posts, RR: 44
Reply 19, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 10358 times:

Quote:
In particular, JetBlue must initiate service at ORD by October 28,2006, and it must commence flight operations by January 27,2007.

What's the difference between initiating service and commencing flight operations? (ie: What will we be seeing on October 28?)



What the FUTT?
User currently offlineMikey711MN From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1396 posts, RR: 8
Reply 20, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 10305 times:

Quoting AIR757200 (Reply 18):
Just from four arrival slots? I doubt that.

He didn't say from B6.

Because B6 got these slots by virtue of UA and AA "voluntarily" reducing their schedules in ORD to ostensibly reduce delays, the award of these slots that would otherwise be controlled by UA and AA may trigger those two airlines to undo their previous reductions, hence a dramatic increase in ORD traffic. Read: all heck breaking loose.

Or so the theory goes.

-Mike



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User currently offlineSupa7E7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 10207 times:

Quoting Mikey711MN (Reply 20):

Because B6 got these slots by virtue of UA and AA "voluntarily" reducing their schedules in ORD to ostensibly reduce delays

Do we know that's true?

Quoting Mikey711MN (Reply 20):
the award of these slots that would otherwise be controlled by UA and AA may trigger those two airlines to undo their previous reductions, hence a dramatic increase in ORD traffic. Read: all heck breaking loose.

I really don't think the FAA would allow that to happen. Besides, UA and AA have competing China bids on the table, for just ONE reason why they wouldn't dare. The FAA makes it clear that UA and AA's slot needs will come last. They need each slot the least.

B6 really needs those measly 4 slots to serve ORD. ORD can easily accomodate everybody's basic service. Basic service is not what is flooding ORD. UA and AA's hubs are doing the flooding.

It appears the FAA granted the slots _so_ quickly to send a message to UA and AA. What that message is, you be the judge.


User currently offlineB6WNQX From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 245 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 10153 times:

How many flights do you think B6 will schedule before 7AM or after 9PM. I heard that they still have 2 slots at LGB, do you think they would do a redeye to arrive before 7AM and an afternoon departure to arrive after 9PM. I know B6 has no problems with utitizing their planes at random times so the slot hours are not a complete road block from flights unless they don't have an open gate. Any thoughts?

User currently offlineNuggetsyl From United States of America, joined May 2006, 213 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 10142 times:

I think aa and ua should go back and jam up the airport again. Having jetblue go to ord is not the problem giving them slots during rush hour is.

User currently offlineDaron4000 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 712 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 10014 times:

Quoting Supa7E7 (Reply 21):
I really don't think the FAA would allow that to happen. Besides, UA and AA have competing China bids on the table, for just ONE reason why they wouldn't dare. The FAA makes it clear that UA and AA's slot needs will come last. They need each slot the least.



B6 really needs those measly 4 slots to serve ORD. ORD can easily accomodate everybody's basic service. Basic service is not what is flooding ORD. UA and AA's hubs are doing the flooding.



It appears the FAA granted the slots _so_ quickly to send a message to UA and AA. What that message is, you be the judge.

Agreed, which is why we won't see UA and AA's response until after the route is awarded, which is supposed to be before 2007, so before B6 starts service.
Completely disagree here. B6 does not need the slots, they want the slots to serve the passengers who fly ORD-NYC daily. However, they should have to play by the rules. UA and AA gave up slots to help the FAA and in return, the FAA snubs UA and AA. This is unfair and I believe UA and AA will respond with more flights at the time B6 received landing clearence.
I think UA and AA will have a similar message to the FAA. Go F$$$ yourself! Wait and see


25 Ca2ohHP : Actually they were just awarded a 27 slot in LGB, but only average about 24 daily departures. One LGB slot is under the assumption the flight is oper
26 B6WNQX : That's why I think that if B6 had a flight leave just prior to 10PM it could arrive in ORD before 7AM and they could have an afternoon departure to O
27 ChrisNH : How likely is it that controllers and others at ORD--their bread largely buttered by the likes of UA and AA--will wreak havoc with those four jetBlue
28 Ca2ohHP : All I've heard is the limited weekly frequencies will be upgraded to daily. As much as I see UA/AA's point to keeping B6 out of ORD, I respect the DO
29 ScottB : Well, the biggest problem with a red-eye from LGB to ORD is the fact that LGB has a curfew on departures after 10 PM. Assuming they were to push the
30 Post contains links B6WNQX : That will be good. I didn't know that they had so many flights that were not daily. I guess they are trying to maximize their revenue thru LGB, which
31 CcrlR : How about ORD-JFK, not many airlines can do that. B6 uses JFK-DEN only there.
32 SANFan : Question: do we have any idea which a/c might be available/used for these new ORD flights? Are there Airbi available or should we assume 190s will be
33 AirportPlan : ORD controllers generally have no preference for any any airline. Just fly UA to ORD and listen to channel 9. ORD controllers harass AA and UA pilots
34 United777atGU : Very true. Complaining now and raising havoc would be like murder to their proposals. AA and UA better keep quiet--especially UA. I'll shoot Glenn Ti
35 TWFirst : I'm not sure if you're being serious or if that's sarcasm... AA has almost hourly ORD-LGA.... combined with UA, DL, & TZ. If it's NYC, it's going to
36 Fanoftristars : ha, ha, ha. Business routes... that gave me a chuckle or two! I'm not trying to be rude here, but I don't know anyone who travels regularly for busin
37 Warreng24 : Where did these 4 slots come from? What airline stopped serving ORD? Or, were these the slots from the group of slots voluntarily given up by AA and U
38 JerseyGuy : Me too, I was able to snag a $59.30 one way all in on Frontier about a month ago.
39 Post contains images DL4EVR :
40 JetBlueNYFL : Actually, you'd be very surprised. Considering the fact that elite upgrades are harder to come by these days, especially those on lower levels...you
41 JetBluefan1 : Keep in mind that arrivals can also be scheduled after 9pm and before 7am, so there won't necessarily be only 4 flights. I'm assuming that ORD will se
42 ASFlyer : Does anyone know the answer to this question???
43 JetBlueGuy2006 : Is there a reason that we haven't seen a press release from B6 on this yet and nothing on the routemap; even though the destinations from ORD haven't
44 Post contains images Wsan581 : The only issue would be gate space. I believe that is why B6's request went from 8 to 4 slots. I don't think the destinations have been chosen. jetBl
45 Burnsie28 : B6 shouldn't have got approval, if ORD is already at or beyond its max, and AA and UA had to give up slots, then no one else should get more slots.
46 Post contains images Wsan581 : Really... . Do you think the Wright amendment is fare? My point is that the system is not always fare. jetBlue followed procedure and received approv
47 Post contains images Historic747 : Well if they moved that would be sucide. Like always....
48 Icebird757 : Actually we have 28 slots now in LGB. I could see 2 flights LGB-ORD and 2 JFK-ORD.
49 MiCorazonAzul : I can almost gurantee that ORD will be an A320 city. IF we were to start out with E190s, equipment upgrade would be needed rather quickly as I know O
50 PanAm747 : I agree that 4 B6 flights per day won't create more havoc, but 4 flights for JetBlue, 4 flights for another airline, and then another, and then anoth
51 SANFan : ...and I agree with the rest of your post also, PanAm. bb
52 Ca2ohHP : My bad. You folks certainly have the aircraft to fly it based on the number of "operational spares" sitting in common use gates all day.
53 JetBluefan1 : While I will agree that if I were AA or UA I would be frustrated with this, keep in mind that B6 gave up five slots at LGB in 2002 for AS and AA. Lif
54 Ordryan28 : well, this is good news
55 Post contains images JetBlueAtJFK : Okay then, the BOS/IAD/JFK shuttles are for businessmen and I have flown them before and they are always packed with businessmen and woman. Of course
56 Ca2ohHP : Only because the slots were not being used. As I'm sure you're aware, the LGB mainline and commuter slots must be used on a daily basis or they are s
57 Travelin man : BUR-ORD (Crossing fingers). I said on another thread a few days ago that we needed AA or UA to step up and offer BUR-ORD. Maybe B6 will do it instead.
58 ANNOYEDFA : Such bull i hope this is the last time any airline helps any airport with such horrific delays. If any airline should have those slots it's AA or UA.
59 LGAtoIND : I personally cannot see JetBlue using these slots for anything besides JFK-ORD. There is simply A LOT of demand to Chicago from JetBlue's following in
60 Post contains images JetBlueAtJFK : Yea but B6 gave up 5 slots for AA and AS in LGB a while back, so now it is flipped back around on AA's home turf. B6jfk
61 ADXMatt : From the article you can see the quote from AA and they are not happy. "We're just saying as a matter of fairness it should be policy to give back to
62 Post contains images Wsan581 : Also keep in mind that B6 will also benefit from connecting pax out of PWM/BOS/BTV/SYR/ROC/BUF etc...
63 Ca2ohHP : The B6 folks keep using the LGB slot issue as a "past practice" example. It is a really bad example. B6 had to give up the slots because they weren't
64 SHUPirate1 : Just out of curiousity, what is the possibility that jetBlue would do 3x JFK-ORD and 1x LGA-ORD (or vice-versa)?
65 JetBluefan1 : Under the agreement that was made in 2002, JetBlue would automatically get any unused slots that had been relinquished by another carrier. It turns o
66 Lowecur : It will be very difficult to extract any pax from upstate via connections to ORD thru JFK. AMR/UAL pretty much have that route tied up with CRJs/ERJs
67 Wsan581 : I don't think it will be that difficult if you factor in the price. For example at ticket from BUF to ORD on AA can run over 700 dollars.Even if ou p
68 Lowecur : I think AMR/UAL will keep the fares in line w/Jetblue. Isn't WN running flts out of BUF to MDW?
69 Silentobserver : ok, so lets clear a few things up... Initiate Service = Announce and begin sale for furture flights. Basically JetBlue must publish service and start
70 MAH4546 : 0%.
71 LH423 : Actually, given that most of the standard, "Legacy" carriers have been cutting back flights on business routes or substituting them with single-class
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