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User currently offlineAA777-200 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 322 posts, RR: 2
Posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 3292 times:

Has anyone heard the news on the deadline for Mesaba today? I have alot of friends that I work with there and was wondering their fate. Any info appreciated!!!
Thanks
Brad

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User currently offlineHigney85 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 31 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 3264 times:

Just saw across the AP that the judge ruled that mesaba can throw out the contracts and impose labor rules wednesday. Tommorrow the judge hears the airlines case for a strike injunction (sp?). I see a strike coming wednesday... Sad to say this may be the end of mesaba.... Good luck guys!

User currently offlineKarlB737 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3105 posts, RR: 10
Reply 2, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 3264 times:

This is all for now. Still awaiting more..................

Courtesy: Minneapolis Star-Tribune

Mesaba Says It Won't Impose Pay Cuts Before Tuesday Court Hearing

http://www.startribune.com/535/story/744951.html


User currently offlineKarlB737 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3105 posts, RR: 10
Reply 3, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 3248 times:

Courtesy: WCCO-TV

Judge: Mesaba Can Reject Union Contracts

http://wcco.com/topstories/local_story_289162748.html


User currently offlineAA777-200 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 322 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 3187 times:

alright well now with that happening obviously the unions will strike unless the judge blocks it. Do they have to go thru a 30 day cooling off first or how does this work? If the judge does block the strike....cant the pilots and f/as just start doing sick outs? this could be bad

Brad


User currently offlineHigney85 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 31 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 3164 times:

I thought I had heard one of the union reps said that if the new rates where imposed and they weren't "allowed to strike", Mass resignations would get the point across. No matter what I see mesaba done with- as sad as that is- Management killed the company! And how MAIR holdings continued to make profits (with stock price rising) while mesaba was in the red is beyond me...

User currently offlineDTWAGENT From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1283 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 3158 times:

And yet they don't seem to see the big picture here. If they strike illegally Mesaba could fire them all and replace them with NON-Union workers. I don't know about this. If I was them ( workers) I would take the cuts and keep my job then lose it all together.

chuck


User currently offlineLUVRSW From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 498 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 3136 times:

There won't be any mass resignations...they don't have the balls. It's all posturing by the unions. They will take the pay cuts and suck it up.

User currently offlineFlyinryan99 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 2004 posts, RR: 13
Reply 8, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 3130 times:

I see something similar to the Comair situation happening. My guess is they will be blocked from striking and forced to work. I would venture to say the judge will order both of them back to the tables to get this worked out, maybe via a mediator. Not sure what to think after that.

User currently offlineKarlB737 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3105 posts, RR: 10
Reply 9, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 3058 times:

Courtesy: KSTP-TV

Judge Rules In Favor Of Mesaba - Video

http://kstp.dayport.com/viewer/viewerpage.php?Art_ID=169633


User currently offlineFlyf15 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 3052 times:

Quoting DTWAGENT (Reply 6):
And yet they don't seem to see the big picture here. If they strike illegally Mesaba could fire them all and replace them with NON-Union workers.

Mesaba doesn't have enough time and money left to do this and turn things around before they'd have to shut down.


User currently offlineTango-Bravo From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3805 posts, RR: 29
Reply 11, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3048 times:

Quoting DTWAGENT (Reply 6):
And yet they don't seem to see the big picture here. If they strike illegally Mesaba could fire them all and replace them with NON-Union workers.

So what's the difference if it does happen? If/when company is free to impose its terms on labor but labor is not allowed to strike... I repeat for emphasis... what's the difference if they are fired and replaced by non-union workers? Those so effected (if it happens) should thank Mesaba management for doing them a favor.


User currently offlineNwafflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 1050 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3015 times:

What/who is Mair Holdings? Yes, I know they own Mesaba, and yes, for years, they have taken the profits, and turned nothing back to Mesaba, but just who is Mair Holdings? Are they a public company?

User currently offlineFlyf15 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3003 times:

Quoting Nwafflyer (Reply 12):
What/who is Mair Holdings? Yes, I know they own Mesaba, and yes, for years, they have taken the profits, and turned nothing back to Mesaba, but just who is Mair Holdings? Are they a public company?

http://finance.google.com/finance?q=MAIR

In short, they're a holding company that owns Mesaba and Big Sky.


User currently offlineNwafflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 1050 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 2973 times:

So then what is the situation with Big Sky? Is Mair holdings just 'throwing away' Mesaba?

User currently offlineClipper707 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 99 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 2953 times:

As a Mesaba employee, I just want to say it's all over but the  crying  now.
It is truly a sad day for everyone at ( XJ ) The only way out of this mess now would be only short of a miracle. So SAD, I have had the best time working for and with Mesaba. I also will say that the airline has been by far the best to work for in all of my 7+ carriers. Truly sad indeed!!  weeping 



The Clippers Gone But Not Forgotten
User currently offlineAzjubilee From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 3941 posts, RR: 27
Reply 16, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2919 times:

I wouldn't under estimate this employee group. I believe they will strike if given the green light. You cannot be forced to working conditions that are imposed.


AZJ


User currently offlineLUVRSW From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 498 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 2840 times:

Mesaba will be granted the injunction, just like NW, and the employees will not resign...just like the NW F/A's....they like their job too much. Yeah, you may be making Wal-Mart wages...but you still have the "glamour" of being an airline employee...(how glamourous is it deicing a saab at 4am...tasty glycol).

User currently offlineXFSUgimpLB41X From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 4200 posts, RR: 37
Reply 18, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2801 times:

Remember management is wanting 19% paycuts... AND on top of that the healthcare costs will be deducted another 30% away from their paychecks.

Thus... an FO will be making under 15K a year. Not exactly livable wages.


No one will want to work there anymore... you can go and be a secretary with a high school degree and make 35K.



Chicks dig winglets.
User currently offlineApodino From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 4280 posts, RR: 6
Reply 19, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2782 times:

With the downsizing of the fleet, there aren't many pilots left at Mesaba to begin with. Add to this other regional airlines (ZW comes to mind) hiring like crazy and are likely to grow, mean that pilots will have a place to go work if they go under. The pilots can find other work easily at better pay than Mesaba.

I don't think Mesaba will last much longer personally. If they can get mainline pilots to join them on the picket line in protest this is going to get very ugly for redtail pretty soon.


User currently offlineFlyf15 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2781 times:

Quoting Apodino (Reply 19):
If they can get mainline pilots to join them on the picket line in protest this is going to get very ugly for redtail pretty soon.

I don't know about mainline pilots, but I know their CRJ flying brothers and sisters plan to picket with them in full force.


User currently offlineLUVRSW From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 498 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2688 times:

Are the paycuts 19.4%, or 17.5%? Both are being reported in the media.

User currently offlineAzjubilee From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 3941 posts, RR: 27
Reply 22, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2653 times:

The paycuts that can be imposed are from the October 5 proposal. That includes a total compensation paycut of 17.5% for a duration of 5.5 years or more. This paycut doesn't include however all the FOs that have been bumped back to FO who already took 30% paycuts. This also doesn't include the Captains that have been bumped from higher paying captain positions. So the paycuts are really more than 17.5%.

Again, I wouldn't under estimate the resolve of this employee group.


AZJ


User currently offlineFlyf15 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2564 times:

Anyone know when the decision comes out today? When would the strike occur if it does?

User currently offlineAzjubilee From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 3941 posts, RR: 27
Reply 24, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2497 times:

The hearing is taking place as we speak. It started at 1330 local. The unions cannot strike until the contracts are imposed. The company can legally impose at 1201am on 18 October. Anytime after that a strike may be called.


AZJ


25 LUVRSW : Wow...I saw Elizabeth Costello in an online news segment...she's quite the Hottie! I hope that the unions follow through on their threats and strike..
26 Higney85 : Only prob is that PNCL first year FO's and first year street capts cannot honor the struck routes (at least thats what I have been told). Those that
27 Flyf15 : Yeah, those on probation can't get union protection if they wish to not fly struck work. ie: they'll be out of a job. What we're all counting on thou
28 KarlB737 : Should Mesaba have in times past when business was better broke away from MAIR? It sounds like MAIR has been alot of the problem here. It sounds like
29 TOLtommy : How would XJ have left on their own? A spinoff of the stock? Mesaba hadn't been near its peak stock market value for years, so spinning off the compa
30 LUVRSW : Mair was just created a few years ago, and was spun off from Mesaba itself. Paul Foley used to run Mesaba...then they created Mair, and now he heads M
31 LUVRSW : Judge delays ruling on Mesaba unions 10/17/2006, 10:00 p.m. ET By JOSHUA FREED The Associated Press MINNEAPOLIS (AP) — A bankruptcy judge delayed a
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