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The End Of The Original 748 In Europe?  
User currently offlineDHHornet From United Kingdom, joined May 2006, 252 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 6 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 12501 times:

Now Emerald Airways has bit the dust, and Westair Sweden are just operating a few. Is this nearly the end of the Avro/H.S/BAe 748 in Europe?

Do the old Emerald 748s have any future?

I for one in the UK, will be sad not seeing this classic workable aircraft about. The noise and that bloody great wingspan  bigthumbsup 

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User currently offlineBeech19 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 936 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (7 years 6 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 12488 times:

Your thread title is very misleading. I assumed you were talking about the Boeing 748 (747-8).

Never had seen a BAe 748 and never will. Looked it up... EEK... ::runaway::



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User currently offlineMEA-707 From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4264 posts, RR: 34
Reply 2, posted (7 years 6 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 12463 times:

Quoting Beech19 (Reply 1):
Your thread title is very misleading. I assumed you were talking about the Boeing 748 (747-8).

We propliner fans think all the threads talking about the Boeing 748 are misleading, as we hoped they were about good old budgie, the Avro/HS 748. 

Indeed the European days are numbered. The aircraft soldiers on at modest scale in Canada, Honduras, Ecuador, South Africa and a few other countries for a few more years.

[Edited 2006-10-16 23:39:47]


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User currently offlineThomasphoto60 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 3860 posts, RR: 23
Reply 3, posted (7 years 6 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 12465 times:

Quoting Beech19 (Reply 1):
Your thread title is very misleading. I assumed you were talking about the Boeing 748 (747-8).

I was thinking the same thing.

Thomas



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User currently offlineGkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24811 posts, RR: 56
Reply 4, posted (7 years 6 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 12394 times:

Quoting Thomasphoto60 (Reply 3):
I was thinking the same thing.

Considering the Bae 748 was around first, then it shouldnt be considered misleading.
And you call yourselves Aviation geeks  Wink



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User currently offlineDHHornet From United Kingdom, joined May 2006, 252 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 6 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 12304 times:

Quoting Beech19 (Reply 1):
Your thread title is very misleading. I assumed you were talking about the Boeing 748 (747-8).

Hence the original 748.

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 4):
Considering the Bae 748 was around first, then it shouldnt be considered misleading.
And you call yourselves Aviation geeks

 biggrin  Yep!

A photo or the 748 doing the it's biz!
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User currently offlineArt From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 3341 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (7 years 6 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 12298 times:

Quoting Thomasphoto60 (Reply 3):
Quoting Beech19 (Reply 1):
Your thread title is very misleading. I assumed you were talking about the Boeing 748 (747-8).

Well, how would you refer to an aircraft marketed, sold and operated under the name 748? Not that I would refer to it as a 748. To me, it's a HS748 or a Bae748.

By the same token, I would not refer to the the large thing with 4 engines as a 748. To me, it's a Boeing 747-800 or a B748.


User currently offlineVoodoo From Niue, joined Mar 2001, 2053 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 6 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 12278 times:

I wonder if the 747-8 will outsell the BAe 748. Not an easy question to answer IMO.


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User currently offlineAtmx2000 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4576 posts, RR: 38
Reply 8, posted (7 years 6 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 12252 times:

Quoting Art (Reply 6):
By the same token, I would not refer to the the large thing with 4 engines as a 748. To me, it's a Boeing 747-800 or a B748.

OK, this is a pet peeve of mine. One shouldn't prefix Boeing model numbers with B. By that convention one would have to refer to the A380 as the AA380.



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User currently offlineClassicLover From Ireland, joined Mar 2004, 4599 posts, RR: 24
Reply 9, posted (7 years 6 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 12221 times:

Quoting Art (Reply 6):
By the same token, I would not refer to the the large thing with 4 engines as a 748. To me, it's a Boeing 747-800 or a B748.

Yeah I agree, it's a 747-800... what I'm curious about is the 787-10... will a QF one be the 787-1038? I miss proper designation sequences!

Quoting Beech19 (Reply 1):
Never had seen a BAe 748 and never will. Looked it up... EEK... ::runaway::

I knew you would get responses like that. It kills me that people go running around after the latest thing and yet don't know bugger all about aviation history.

Quoting DHHornet (Thread starter):
Westair Sweden are just operating a few. Is this nearly the end of the Avro/H.S/BAe 748 in Europe?

Could be! Times are changing... or is that, time is passing?  Smile



I do quite enjoy a spot of flying - more so when it's not in Economy!
User currently offlineDHHornet From United Kingdom, joined May 2006, 252 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 years 6 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 12177 times:

340 = SAAB 340. What do you think of that?!

748 will always be The Avro, H.S., BAe, BAE = 748 !

Show some dignity and respect you lot, in this old girl that is fading away fast  wink 

Your Jumbo will have it's day!  stirthepot 


User currently offlineBeech19 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 936 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (7 years 6 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 12127 times:

Quoting Art (Reply 6):
Well, how would you refer to an aircraft marketed, sold and operated under the name 748? Not that I would refer to it as a 748. To me, it's a HS748 or a Bae748.

I would refer to it as a BAe748, because thats what it is.

Quoting Art (Reply 6):
Boeing 747-800



Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 9):
Yeah I agree, it's a 747-800...

There is NO such thing. It IS a Boeing 747-8.

Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 9):
It kills me that people go running around after the latest thing and yet don't know bugger all about aviation history.

Oh i'm sorry... considering those aircraft have NEVER been flown in this part of the world and i have no interest in commercial prop-jobs doesn't mean i know nothing about aviation history.

What is the first aircraft that comes to mind when i say Boeing 717?

I'll tell ya if you don't know... but you obviously know everything about aviation history.
This is the same reason why when i see a thread saying 748 i assumed it was about a Boeing 747-8.



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User currently offlineDHHornet From United Kingdom, joined May 2006, 252 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 years 6 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 12093 times:

Quoting Beech19 (Reply 11):
This is the same reason why when i see a thread saying 748 i assumed it was about a Boeing 747-8.

Bloody hell!
Original was put in the title because of this sort of idiot reply and comment. I was only asking about the Budgie and it's future in Europe.

If you are interested. I call it the H.S 748 as most were sold under that banner.


User currently offlineClassicLover From Ireland, joined Mar 2004, 4599 posts, RR: 24
Reply 13, posted (7 years 6 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 12064 times:

Quoting Beech19 (Reply 11):
What is the first aircraft that comes to mind when i say Boeing 717?

The tanker, baby.

Quoting Beech19 (Reply 11):
Oh i'm sorry... considering those aircraft have NEVER been flown in this part of the world and i have no interest in commercial prop-jobs doesn't mean i know nothing about aviation history.

There's no excuse. It never flew in the part of the world I am from either (Australia) and yet somehow it went into my memory.



I do quite enjoy a spot of flying - more so when it's not in Economy!
User currently offlineDHHornet From United Kingdom, joined May 2006, 252 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (7 years 6 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 12041 times:

Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 13):
Quoting Beech19 (Reply 11):
Oh i'm sorry... considering those aircraft have NEVER been flown in this part of the world and i have no interest in commercial prop-jobs doesn't mean i know nothing about aviation history

A place called Canada is on the same bit of the world as the US of A!


User currently offlinePtrjong From Netherlands, joined Mar 2005, 3884 posts, RR: 19
Reply 15, posted (7 years 6 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 12019 times:

Quoting Beech19 (Reply 11):
those aircraft have NEVER been flown in this part of the world


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User currently offlineBeech19 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 936 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (7 years 6 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 12017 times:

Quoting DHHornet (Reply 12):
I call it the H.S 748 as most were sold under that banner.

You may call it whatever you wish. It is what it is. lol  Wink

If you are interested... the Boeing 717-100 was the proper designation for the airframe used for building KC-135 Stratotankers as they are shorter and have a thinner(oval) fuselage than the 707(circular) counterparts used in the AWACS and JSTARS ect.

They renamed the MD-95 to the 717-200 in honor of the old frame.



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User currently offlineClassicLover From Ireland, joined Mar 2004, 4599 posts, RR: 24
Reply 17, posted (7 years 6 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 12018 times:

Quoting DHHornet (Reply 14):
A place called Canada is on the same bit of the world as the US of A!

Good point  Smile How many countries does the 748 operate in anyway?



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User currently offlineDHHornet From United Kingdom, joined May 2006, 252 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (7 years 6 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 11977 times:

Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 17):
Good point How many countries does the 748 operate in anyway?

Try the links:

http://www.hs748.com/ - Out of date but gives you a bit of info.

and http://members.chello.nl/s.c.verbrugge/146.html - Info is about halfway down.


User currently offlineAsturias From Spain, joined Apr 2006, 2038 posts, RR: 16
Reply 19, posted (7 years 6 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 11937 times:

Looks like a F27 with low wings.

Asturias



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User currently offlineBeech19 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 936 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (7 years 6 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 11937 times:

Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 13):
The tanker, baby.

You have thus proven my point.

Most often, the first thing people would think of when they saw 717 is the MD-95 thingy.
But in my circle since my dad flew on -135's for almost 30 years i think of that when i hear 717 first.
Just like you guys think of the BAe748 and i think of the Boeing 747-8 (being 2 miles from the main plant).

Its all relavant. Obviously i wasn't the only one who assumed you were talking about the 747-8. We were just among the fiew who actually posted.

PS- The pic that DHHornet posted does make it look very graceful. No disrespect.



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User currently offlineDHHornet From United Kingdom, joined May 2006, 252 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (7 years 6 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 11888 times:

Hawker Siddeley HS-780 Andover C1

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User currently offlineStealthZ From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5609 posts, RR: 45
Reply 22, posted (7 years 6 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 11653 times:
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Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 13):
It never flew in the part of the world I am from either (Australia)

Sure did, and for many years.....


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User currently offlineDHHornet From United Kingdom, joined May 2006, 252 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (7 years 6 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 11473 times:

BA had some some success with the 748 in Scotland. But not with these two:

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So the 748 did get about a bit!


User currently offlineTristarSteve From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 3930 posts, RR: 34
Reply 24, posted (7 years 6 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 11442 times:

The HS 748 is alive and well at ARN. West Air fly the post in and out every night. There is usually one parked on the Southern Cargo ramp all day. When I get to work at 0520 in the morning I usually drive past the last post flight taxying out for departure. We get loads of ATP here as well.

25 Post contains links and images DHHornet : Make the most of it. Now Emerald are gone. I really have missed the things when I do night shift at BRS. Not so long ago a DC-3 would pick-up the odd
26 AirbusA6 : If you call the ATP a 748NG, then it's got a few more years to go! Having said that, ATPs are thin on the ground, as not many were sold...
27 Baroque : And a little to the NNW, Bouraq flew them on CGK Bandung, Bandung Yogya, Surabaya to Ujung Pandang. They had a problem with climb and descent rates i
28 Post contains images ZRHnerd : Congratulations, you've just made me laugh
29 Post contains images BigOrange : That's the trouble with yanks, they don't know anything about an aircraft if it was never operated in their skies Are there any passenger 748's (the
30 CPairDC10 : This will be a shame as a kid a long long time ago a freind of the family was a supervisor at good old Woodford where the old bird used to built i wa
31 EI321 : Not really. In fact there is no such thing as a Boeing aircraft known officially as a '748', wheras '748' is indeed the official name of the Hawker S
32 Asturias : You are joking, of course. Regardless, I always write B741 for the Boeing 747-100, because I can't be bothered with the long form. I doubt many can b
33 Post contains links and images DHHornet : Maybe? http://www.calmair.com/hawker.htm http://www.flyairnorth.com/about.html http://www.airinuit.com/en/about/fleet.php http://www.firstair.ca/Abou
34 AirTran717 : Someone mentioned a tanker??? No. The Boeing 717 was designed as the MD-95, also known as the DC-9/MD80/90 series aircraft. Are you thinking of the B
35 TristarSteve : 63 were built and West Air Sweden own 28 of them. 23 of these are in operation but the airline has just done a deal and bought the last remaining fiv
36 DHHornet : Amazing 28! Are the aircraft for just themselves, or will they be converting some of them then leasing or selling them off?
37 AirTran717 : And if we keep in the spirit of the thread, the Boeing 717-200 is really known as the B712... and that was typed right on the dispatch paperwork the c
38 Cobra27 : Man, that 748 is really awesome plane
39 SJUSXM : i like it although ive always heard the Saab 340 referred to as SF3
40 Post contains images AirbusA6 : I bet they were cheap too! Almost as good a freighter as the equivalent ATR or Dash8, but at a fraction of the price - the MD11 of the prop world
41 Post contains links and images Patroni : Firstair still uses them as combi aircraft on some routes, I flew with them from YFB to YXP in November 2004. The forward part of the cabin is the ca
42 Post contains links and images YWGjets : I love the sight and sound of the MO HS748s coming in low over my house from up north. I hope they're around for many more years. View Large View Medi
43 Post contains links and images DHHornet : And not forgetting the rare Indian built AEW Hindusta Aeronautics HAL 748... More info/pics @ http://www.acig.org/artman/publish/article_533.shtml
44 Post contains links Beech19 : Wow... i think the you guys are taking this way to personally. No one said it was a bad plane or didn't exist. We just said (considering how much the
45 StealthZ : The thread title was "original 748" hardly that misleading, Beech18 it is entirely possible that you may have started a thread titled "original 717" I
46 YWGjets : If you have no interest in props, why do you choose Beech19 as your username?
47 Post contains images DHHornet : Bang on matey! If you must know. I get bored reading about bloody Boeings and Buses! But if that's your bag fair enough! My thread title: The End Of
48 Post contains images MBJ2000 : Does anyone know how many of these great planes have been built in total?
49 DHHornet : 381 of all types.
50 Post contains links DHHornet : Have a plane insted of a pond! Cory Rousell's restoration project http://www.ruudleeuw.com/others-hs748-rousell.htm Nice one.
51 9252fly : I never found the thread title misleading in anyway whatsoever. I'm pleased that an aircraft such as the HS748 gets some attention,considering the imp
52 Post contains images Scouseflyer : Emirates with the A380 That's one of the whackiest planes I've ever seen - how does it fly with that huge antena on the top
53 DHHornet : Wa*kiest? Like a flying house brick with all that drag ?
54 Post contains images Beech19 : Well my good sir as you may know to get ones pilot license you must start with props before you can move on to multi engine, jets, ect. I started tak
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