FL370 From United States, joined Apr 2006, 252 posts, RR: 0 Posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2316 times:
what if boeing bought the A380 program, would that help in anyway? i don't want to target airbus, but boeing has had a good reputation of delivering reliable planes. so in that case would it be better if boeing bought the A380
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Please don't turn this into an A v B poll! cuz its not!
Kaitak744 From United States, joined Jul 2005, 1888 posts, RR: 2 Reply 1, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2307 times:
It would not help if any one bought it. Problems are problems. The wires are messed up, and it will take Boeing the same amount of time as Airbus to fix them.
Bringiton From United States, joined Sep 2006, 784 posts, RR: 0 Reply 2, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2310 times:
If boeing bought the A380 program for the 15 billion price tag , airbus would launch the A350 (old one) And the XWB rake in 500 sales before EIS and would be working on the A320E and A320RS for EIS by 2014 .
ERJ170 From United States, joined Apr 2004, 5356 posts, RR: 13 Reply 5, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2280 times:
If Boeing bought the A380 program.. uhmm.. B380 program.. uhmmm.. B780 program... Uhmm... B790 program.. they would drop 2 engines, cut off half of the top level and then.. uhmm.. Hmm.. uhhhh.. well... uhmm..
RoseFlyer From United States, joined Feb 2004, 5192 posts, RR: 16 Reply 6, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2260 times:
Boeing has many talented engineers and Airbus has many talented engineers, and there are even more engineers working at third party companies that work for both A and B. I don't think Boeing could completely revamp the A380. Airbus and Boeing have different cultures. They do work differently, but both have been proven to be successful. While Boeing is excelling right now and Airbus is struggling with the A380, things were quite a bit different just 4 short years ago when Airbus was leading with orders.
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Milesrich From United States, joined Jul 2003, 714 posts, RR: 4 Reply 7, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2205 times:
"If Boeing Bought the A380 Program." My grandfather may he rest in peace would have had the perfect response to that: If the boobie had ayer, she'd have been my zayda. Boeing is not just unlikely to make such an investment, the chances are about 100 million to 1. The A380, even without the production problems, was in for rough sledding, just as Boeing experienced in the early 70's. The demand for that airplane is limited. Look how many airlines ordered and operated the 747 because for competitive reasons, "they had to," and quickly dumped them when the DC-10 and L-1011's appeared. Shall I name them? And how many of the smaller flag carriers placed 2nd orders until the Series 400 came along and were ordered to replace the classic 100's and 200's. Sure, JAL reordered, but how many other carriers did. The first 25 that Pan Am ordered, started that carrier on the road to extinction. Of the US domestic airlines, only Northwest and United held on to theirs. I know, so did TWA, but that was because they had no money to replace them. And United didn't buy any more than the original 18 until after they purchased Pan Am's Pacific Routes and needed aircraft.
SparkingWave From Korea, joined Jun 2005, 585 posts, RR: 2 Reply 10, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 1689 times:
Boeing doesn't need to buy the A380. If it wanted to, it could design it better, now with newer technology that is being engineered by Boeing.
The A380 is becoming a money pit that is sucking in possible financial aid from the respective European governments that it's being built in.
Let's make the issue more down-to-earth. Would you PERSONALLY invest money in the A380 program at this point, after being aware of all the problems it's going through, as well as its uncertain future?
Be honest.
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N328KF From United States, joined May 2004, 5221 posts, RR: 4 Reply 11, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 1639 times:
Quoting SparkingWave (Reply 10): Let's make the issue more down-to-earth. Would you PERSONALLY invest money in the A380 program at this point, after being aware of all the problems it's going through, as well as its uncertain future?
Give me the production line, production rights, associated designs, patents, and trademarks for US$1.00, and I'll think about it. After I've deposited the check.
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N328KF From United States, joined May 2004, 5221 posts, RR: 4 Reply 14, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 1490 times:
Quoting Halls120 (Reply 13): Boeing bought McDonnellDouglas 1) for the military side of the MDD shop and 2) to eliminate a competitor.
Frankly, I think Boeing had stopped giving a rat's ass about the Douglas division by that point. I bet if the antitrust proceedings had dictated that Douglas Aircraft be spun off/sold, Boeing would have done that without much of an objection.
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Beech19 From United States, joined Jul 2006, 928 posts, RR: 2 Reply 16, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 1270 times:
Quoting GeorgiaAME (Reply 9): Boeing bought MD. That should answer your question.
Yeah... and the moron execs that were brought over from Micky'D's almost destroyed Boeing. Don't forget that... They finally got rid of the last one and now look... they are successful again. The 787 being outsourced to the world is because of the McD clowns.
Buying the A380 project would be worse than buying McD.
This IS the general concensus around the Boeing/Puget Sound area. Not just my opinion.
DZ09 From United States, joined Sep 2006, 355 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 1251 times:
Boeing bought MD which had plans for a similar plane (MD12???). By eliminating MD, Boeing gave Airbus a bigger market share, something they overlooked.
NAV20 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5903 posts, RR: 20 Reply 18, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 1213 times:
EADS has indicated that A380 production will be making a substantial revenue loss at least until 2010:-
"From an Income Statement perspective, the management estimates that the A380 series production will generate a cumulative programme EBIT* loss of around €2.8 billion for the years 2006 to 2010, of which approximately €1.1 billion is anticipated in 2006 and approximately €0.7 billion in 2007. The A380 programme shall deliver a first positive EBIT* contribution in 2010."
Therefore there is no possiblility of EADS being able to SELL the A380 project. They would actually have to PAY Boeing (or anyone else) several billions to take it off their hands.
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N328KF From United States, joined May 2004, 5221 posts, RR: 4 Reply 19, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 1069 times:
Quoting NAV20 (Reply 18): Therefore there is no possiblility of EADS being able to SELL the A380 project. They would actually have to PAY Boeing (or anyone else) several billions to take it off their hands.
If the transfer included associated assets (which I enumerated above), then I could see it happening. If the assets were included with no debt attached, in reality I don't see why another company wouldn't pay to take it off their hands. Of course, EADS Airbus would have huge writeoffs as a result.
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WingedMigrator From United States, joined Oct 2005, 1440 posts, RR: 25 Reply 20, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 1026 times:
Quoting N328KF (Reply 19): If the assets were included with no debt attached, in reality I don't see why another company wouldn't pay to take it off their hands.
Bang on. That is precisely why Airbus won't part with the A380... their write-off would be bigger if they got rid of it than if they don't, and make whatever per-frame profit they can.
The scenario in the opening post is just Notgonnahappen.com
Baron95 From United States, joined May 2006, 1276 posts, RR: 5 Reply 21, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 961 times:
I think Boeing should open a second production line for the 787 and OEM to Airbus. Airbus could then resell it as the A350.
Think about it. Airbus saves US$12B in development costs. Boeing can lower the price of the 787 by spreading R&D over more frames, give Airbus a volume discount, and everyone wins.
FlyDreamliner From United States, joined Jan 2006, 2132 posts, RR: 11 Reply 22, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 955 times:
Airbus sell its most ambitious and prideful aircraft to Boeing? I think that ranks right up with flying old glory over Toulouse in terms of embarassment for Airbus.
Boeing has long claimed there was no money to be made on A380 sized aircraft. They have no interest in buying it. The jet is a money pit, and it is keeping Airbus from challenging their golden 787, and if things keep rolling, will keep them from brining a clean sheet A320 replacement to market against Y1.
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Bang on. That is precisely why Airbus won't part with the A380... their write-off would be bigger if they got rid of it than if they don't, and make whatever per-frame profit they can.