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An A.net Member Afraid Of Commercial Flying?  
User currently offlineDeaphen From India, joined Jul 2005, 1426 posts, RR: 1
Posted (7 years 11 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 4628 times:

Yes people .. even this category exists. I happen to be in that category. I stated earlier i am flying RTW on STAR ALLIANCE namely:

DEL - SIN (SQ)
SIN - ICN
ICN - SFO
SFO - ORD (UA)
ORD - GRU
GRU - SSU (TAM)
SSU - LIS (TP)
LIS - FRA (LH)
FRA - DEL

ok now my problem is this... i love aviation.. but i have a terrible time before a trip.. (like now) i leave on the 23rd and am very very very nervous. I need some encouragement... tell me why i shouldnt worry about flying aroudn the world with popular commecial airliners.

lol let me apologise in advance for this stupid question!

regards
nitin


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User currently offlineMCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 8675 posts, RR: 15
Reply 1, posted (7 years 11 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 4617 times:

This is not a stupid question. I happen to get nervous before I fly too. What I would do is get Dramine for motion sickness. ( from connecting and being in the air so much) Then get some good books. Also those cushie neck pillows help too for neck aches. If you make a personal affirmation stating that you wont be afraid, you won't.

Hope this helps and best of luck. Btw, Please do a TR with some pics please.

MCOflyer



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User currently offlineZRHnerd From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 11 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 4612 times:

Do you have an Ipod/mp3 player or something of the likes? Music helps  Smile I usually get nervous as hell before big matches (I play Ice hockey in Switzerland's first "college league"), and Music always helps.

User currently offlineRichM From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 798 posts, RR: 7
Reply 3, posted (7 years 11 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 4607 times:

I believe that ignorance is a common cause as to why people are often afraid of flying. Obviously it's not the only cause, but it certainly does account for many cases where people are afraid of flying.

For many, knowing the fundamentals as to how an aircraft works, goes a long way towards helping them overcome their fear.

To help people to try and help you, it'd probably be a good idea to explain why you're afraid of flying, as there are many areas that can cause people to be afraid of flying.

- RichM

[Edited 2006-10-17 16:05:41]

User currently offlineDeaphen From India, joined Jul 2005, 1426 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (7 years 11 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 4585 times:

i guess i am just afraid of the plane getting in trouble and me dying
!

i know its a little extreme... but flying scares me just as much as it excites me!

regards
nitin



I want every single airport and airplane in India to be on A.net!
User currently offlineFalstaff From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 6098 posts, RR: 28
Reply 5, posted (7 years 11 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 4571 times:
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I have flown hundreds of times in my life in large commercial planes, small commercial planes, private planes, and hot air balloons. From a few weeks after I was born, until now. I still get a little nervous especially on take off. It doesn't stop me from flying and I doubt it ever will. I have faith in the mechanics that they did a good job and the skills of the pilots. I also know that far more people are killed on the roads then in the air.

Back in 80s my dad would lease a hot air balloon and bring it down to Albuquerque for the balloon fiesta. One night at a party my dad was talking with the stunt plane pilot who flew around after the balloons were launched. The man never had flown in a balloon before and my dad offered him a ride in our balloon for for a ride in his stunt plane during his show. The next day he came out to the field and was freaked out about flying in a balloon even though he had flown in combat, during Korea and Vietnam and did stunts for a living. After a lot of worry he got in the balloon for a flight and had a great time. The next day my dad flew with him and was scared to death. My dad was a bit worried too, but once he did it he loved it. I guess that go to show you what you know well doesn't really bother you, but something new can be scary.



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User currently offlineDeaphen From India, joined Jul 2005, 1426 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (7 years 11 months 6 days ago) and read 4523 times:

Quoting Falstaff (Reply 5):
I have flown hundreds of times in my life in large commercial planes, small commercial planes, private planes, and hot air balloons. From a few weeks after I was born, until now. I still get a little nervous especially on take off. It doesn't stop me from flying and I doubt it ever will. I have faith in the mechanics that they did a good job and the skills of the pilots. I also know that far more people are killed on the roads then in the air.

Back in 80s my dad would lease a hot air balloon and bring it down to Albuquerque for the balloon fiesta. One night at a party my dad was talking with the stunt plane pilot who flew around after the balloons were launched. The man never had flown in a balloon before and my dad offered him a ride in our balloon for for a ride in his stunt plane during his show. The next day he came out to the field and was freaked out about flying in a balloon even though he had flown in combat, during Korea and Vietnam and did stunts for a living. After a lot of worry he got in the balloon for a flight and had a great time. The next day my dad flew with him and was scared to death. My dad was a bit worried too, but once he did it he loved it. I guess that go to show you what you know well doesn't really bother you, but something new can be scary.

yea that is very true and intersting. Its a strange fear i have developed, specially since i have been flying since i was 4 years old! And i used to absolutely love it! Even the turbulence would make me smile! The biggest problem i face is that i cant sleep on flights. And that becomes very unnerving because i get all tired and cranky. Wheni close my eyes, even if i do dose off, i wake up with a jolt and the scare of falling from the sky.

anyone else had this problem?



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User currently offlineFalstaff From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 6098 posts, RR: 28
Reply 7, posted (7 years 11 months 6 days ago) and read 4497 times:
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Quoting Deaphen (Reply 6):
The biggest problem i face is that i cant sleep on flights.

I can't sleep on the plane either. I also can not sleep in the car. I can sleep on a train, but only in a berth, not in a seat. Basically I can't sleep sitting up.



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User currently offlineContrails From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 1833 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 11 months 6 days ago) and read 4468 times:

I can't say that I'm afraid to fly, but I am getting burned out in a hurry. Flying isn't what it used to be, and regardless, after a million miles or so I think anyone would get a little tired of it.

I don't think there's anything to fear in commercial flying. I heard someone say in a documentary that if you tried to be in a commercial plane accident you'd have to fly every day for some unbelievable number of years before you'd be in an accident. The odds are on your side.

My advice is to concentrate on what you'll be doing when you get to your destination. That's what I do. I had a great time in Italy a few years ago, even though the flights weren't particularly enjoyable (especially on the 10+hour flight coming back). Before I depart I think about all the enjoyable things I'll be doing and it makes the flights a bit more bearable. I also plan all the details out thoroughly to ensure a minimum of problems on the ground, such as car rental, hotel, itinerary, etc. I always pick a couple of top-rated restaurants to try out. It works for me.

I hope you keep flying. It's really the safest way to go.



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User currently offlineBA787 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 2596 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (7 years 11 months 6 days ago) and read 4461 times:

Dunno why but I can't sleep in cars, boats, coaches or trains yet once a plane gets up to cruising altitude im asleep like baby!

User currently offlineLuketenley From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 419 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (7 years 11 months 6 days ago) and read 4448 times:

I love aviation as well and I have only flown one time.. PIT to DFW, DFW to LAX, LAX to ORD, and ORD to PIT. I was very nervous the night before. Actually was sick to my stomach in the middle of the night. Once I got on I was ok. I wasn't used to the little bumps and stuff during the flight that are called normal. I just wasn't used to it all yet. Flying is definately fun though and I'm sure I'll be nervous the next time I fly as well. It's just something we don't do on a daily basis enough to get used to. I even work at an airport! Just take magazines and/ or music with you to keep your mind off things. We had a movie one flight that seemed to help me. I tried to sleep on the flights but everytime the plane would bump or "chop" I would wake up wondering what the hell was going on.


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User currently offlineFalstaff From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 6098 posts, RR: 28
Reply 11, posted (7 years 11 months 6 days ago) and read 4442 times:
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Quoting BA787 (Reply 9):
once a plane gets up to cruising altitude im asleep like baby!

My dad is like that. I flew with him lots of times as a kid and a few times as an adult and I feel sorry for the other passengers nearby, he snores like a train horn.



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User currently offlineTurkishWings From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1441 posts, RR: 8
Reply 12, posted (7 years 11 months 6 days ago) and read 4420 times:

Quoting RichM (Reply 3):
I believe that ignorance is a common cause as to why people are often afraid of flying.

I am not sure if I entirely agree with you on this one. I know quite a lot about aviation and have flown extensively as I used to be a flight attendant too. Yet, I am still nervous during take off in bad weather and during heavy turbulence.

Everytime I fly, I check the exterior of the aircraft (if I can) to see if something is wrong, check the flaps before take off, check the time between departures (wake turbulence), check the engines if the spoilers will be deployed suddenly ( TAM F100 accident), check the climb rate, speed, altitude... If there is a problem with the IFE, I can't help but think of the SR MD-11 accident. I can very well hear the changes in the noise of the engines (A 310 wins the prize in this one). I always notice the change if we descend even a tiny bit. I more or less know what's going to happen if I see huge CBs around. I know what a cross wind is... And many more things like that......

If I had no idea about aviation, I wouldn't have known all these and think about them most of the time. I asked my cousin which aircraft she flew the other day and she didn't know. She didn't even remember if the engines were on the wings or at the back of the aircraft. Finally she remembered and said it was an Airbus 737.

Even though I get nervous sometimes, I still find flying to be the safest mode of transportation and I wouldn't hesitate to fly at any given time. But I can't help wishing sometimes that I knew less about aviation.

You will be just fine Deaphen. You will fly good airlines and good aircraft and will see fab places. Just think about how much fun you will have when you arrive at your destination. Just think about thousands of pilots and F/As flying around the world everyday. And of course I don't need to say we will be expecting a good trip report afterwards  Smile



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User currently offlineZRHnerd From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (7 years 11 months 6 days ago) and read 4411 times:

Quoting TurkishWings (Reply 12):
climb rate, speed, altitude...

Climbrate?  Confused I have never seen any airshow showing the climbrate.


User currently offlineFemme From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (7 years 11 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 4369 times:

Don't think you are alone here on A.N.

There was another thread a while back discussing all aspects of fear of flying - I think I posted on it as I am married to someone who I have to virtually drag on the plane so we can have holidays!

Do some digging and I'm sure you'll find the thread. Try typing ' Fear of flying'into the search forums box - It was very informative for those with this fear. I picked up a few tips on how to help my Husband........

You will be fine and well safe on the Airlines you are going with.....Enjoy!!

Claire


User currently offlineDomokun From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 202 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (7 years 11 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 4322 times:

Nitin,

I sympathize with you; I feel the same way when I fly. I know my fear of flying stems from the fact that I just don't trust other people; sadly this includes pilots hurling me through the air at high speed. I suppose my last trip on QX did not help much either; that is an entirely different story. For me, I just do not like sitting there passively without information.

When I fly, I usually think it out before I get on the plane:

  • The chance of being involved in a fatal event is extremely low. Pilots and aircraft are designed, evaluated and tested to ensure things stay safe.
  • Fatal events are always usually a string of errors or problems; this means that even one or two things going wrong will not spell disaster.
  • At least in my case, it is always better to go than to stay on the ground.
  • I could die of brain cancer or some other ailment much more easily.


Yes, I know the last item is somewhat far fetched; however, when I think about it most of my day everyday is much less safe than sitting in an airplane. The problem is, so many things can go wrong; in reality, they rarely do. Fear sucks because you can tell yourself anything with fear. If you fear flying enough, you can convince yourself anything and everything is possible. Just remember to re-evaluate your conceptions; chances are most of them are weird creations of fear.

Your list of carriers is very respectable; if you were flying a discount airline in Nigeria I would say your fears are grounded; in this case all of the airlines you list are well-known and respected.

Now, while these may not help, I have found the following things take my mind off the fear:

  • If you have a camera, take photos. They may not be A-net material but hey, how often do you get to take wing, cabin or cockpit shots?
  • If you have the means, listen to music. You list UA; I am not sure if they still offer the ability to listen in (channel 9 I believe?)
  • Think about where you are going instead of the trip. This sounds silly but often it makes me excited to get there  Smile


My wife has started to fly with me more; it is also always nice to have her there as well  Smile

Finally, oddly enough, I love it when the plane ride gets choppy. I guess it makes me feel more like I am flying and less like I am sitting letting a x86 drive me around.

In any case, you will be fine. Have fun on your trip!


User currently offlineHistoric747 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 194 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (7 years 11 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 4295 times:

Quoting Deaphen (Reply 4):
i guess i am just afraid of the plane getting in trouble and me dying

Statistically you have a greater probability of meeting with a fatal crash while driving to the airport than while in air. More so if you are driving on Indian roads. Does not matter Delhi or Mumbai.

Your chances of being involved in an aircraft accident are about 1 in 11 million. On the other hand, your chances of being killed in an automobile accident are 1 in 5000. However, the perception is that you have more control over your fate when you are in your car than as a passenger. Experience shows otherwise considering that over 50,000 people are killed on the highways every year. That number ofcourse is much higher on Indian roads.

Repeat these numbers to yourself and you will be good to go. Enjoy your trip.

And to add....

Even in the worst of turbulence do not panic as planes are designed to withstand the stresses induced. Planes also have multiple redundancies built into.

The wings of the planes don't tear off. They are designed to be highly elastic.

The skin of the aircraft can bear tremendous stresses and fatigue.

Planes can fly with one engine if the need arises.

A/C are rigorously checked regularly.

ATC and crew are well trained.

All put together make the above statistic possible...

cheers
KS



[Edited 2006-10-17 20:28:17]

User currently offlineOrdpark From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 574 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (7 years 11 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 4296 times:
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I also get nervous before flying...don't know why since I love to fly...I'm sure there is a shrink out there who could explain it...but I get past it...I thing familiarity breeds some of it...if you're involved in the industry, you know what CAN happen, but common sense tells you that, with all the safe guards, the odds are definatly in you favor...Sit back, relax and take lots of pictures...

User currently offlineDeaphen From India, joined Jul 2005, 1426 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (7 years 11 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 4257 times:

Thank you guys so much! your words really help! I will definately post a long ass trip report on my return,

The chian of events when i am flying is odd it goes a little like this:

1. When i plan a trip im all excited and all like ye ye i get to fly so many carriers around the world.
2. Once the date approaches i start getting a little paranoid.
3. On the day i am stiff and just hard as rock. But im still excited.
4. Once i am boarding the plane, i will keep myself busy noting down the Reg of the plane and stowing away my stuff.
5. Once the doors close, i get a little paranoid again.
6. When we are about to roll, i pull out my camera to film the take off and put on my ipod playing "smack my bitch up" which gets me all pumped up.
7. Once air borne, i hate the climb, because its so choppy and bumpy, once at cruise im cool.
8. The flight attendents keep me clam because i keep looking at them for a reaction (which i have never seen till now).
9. I drink 2 glasses of wine which relax me.
10. Movies begin, i cant concentrate on them because everytime there is a bump, i put my ipod softer and listen to see if there are any strange noises etc.
11. If i sleep, i wake up with that falling sensation.
12. I LOVE the sun rise while flying! Its just drives me insane! All my fears are lost when there are like 3-4 hours left of flight.
13. I dont mind the descent at all, infact i love it, landing is such a gret feeling!
14. I keep myself busy on board looking ONLY at the interactive map!! And ofcourse send in my flight log for the captain and first off to sign.
15. Once im off the plane, i wish i were back on it!!

So as u can see there are a very very veyr strange chain of events! An interesting story was when i was flying DEL - SFO last year, i sat down next to this Sikh guy , he was more or less my age, and i was like shivering with fear at that moment, and this guy turns to me and is like "Hi im so and so... and i am so so so scared of flying, this is my first experience". The moment he said that, i was like REALLY?!? Its not that bad at all!!

Its wierd, me knowing that he is scared of flying made me a little confident and i was fine throughout! Even when we touched down at HKG in typhoon season when the plane was rocking around like never before!

Then on another SQ flight to SIN in feb, this guy next to me was like "oh if we have to die we have to die, its all up to god" and i was like F&*^ !!!! Anywys, got thru that flight fine too!

regards
nitin



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User currently offlineDomokun From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 202 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (7 years 11 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 4252 times:

Quoting Historic747 (Reply 16):
The skin of the aircraft can bear tremendous stresses and fatigue.

IIRC a 747SP went supersonic in a dive inbound to SFO. I think that says quite a bit about the resiliance of the outer skin.

Quoting Deaphen (Reply 18):
13. I dont mind the descent at all, infact i love it, landing is such a gret feeling!

It always bugs me when we begin our descent. I think it's my hyper-sensitivity to changes in G forces.


User currently offlineJetBlueGuy2006 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1660 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (7 years 11 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 4238 times:

Well, I am kind of like this. Every time we get to the airport, I get really really nervous, and I don't eat b/c of my fear of gettting sick. I will usually take some medicine to calm me down and usually after I get settled into my seat and we start to taxi, I start to calm down and then after we take off and I am fine.

The weird thing about it is if we are connecting through another city (usually ATL or DTW) I am never nervous about the second leg.

Make sure to make a trip report afterward so we can see how ya did.

You'll do fine

JetBlueGuy2006



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User currently offlineDomokun From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 202 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (7 years 11 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 4230 times:

Quoting JetBlueGuy2006 (Reply 20):
I will usually take some medicine to calm me down and usually after I get settled into my seat and we start to taxi,

Heh, on advice of one of my friends (a doctor), I took some Ambien to relax.

Freaking out about flying was much better than thinking the F/A was a dinosaur. Oddly enough, I swore she had pink hair and told myself I was making it up. Upon deplaning, I realized she really did have pink hair...  Smile


User currently offlineOznznut From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 153 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (7 years 11 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 4106 times:

I am one of those people. I have an A&P license, have worked on the heavies, flown many hundreds of thousands of miles. Used to be an elite member of NW worldperks. Now I shivver at the thought of flying. Twice I have failed to get on a plane, after checking in and getting boarding passes, etc. Both were vacation flights to New Zealand. I am going to try again this coming May. Have secured Business Premier tickets on Air NZ. I have no reason what caused my fears, never had a bad in-flight experience. But now I get physically sick. I know all the statistics, read the books, flying is the safest--yada yada yada. I am still terrified. However, as I am getting older, I fear that I will not have many chances left to lick this.
Dave


User currently onlineAsturias From Spain, joined Apr 2006, 2153 posts, RR: 16
Reply 23, posted (7 years 11 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 4101 times:

Quoting Deaphen (Thread starter):
ok now my problem is this... i love aviation.. but i have a terrible time before a trip.. (like now) i leave on the 23rd and am very very very nervous. I need some encouragement... tell me why i shouldnt worry about flying aroudn the world with popular commecial airliners.

lol let me apologise in advance for this stupid question!

It is not a stupid question!

Enjoy your flight. You'll get to your destination in one piece  Smile

No worries mate. Let me put it this way: if you are worried about flying are you worried about winning the national lottery?

Food for thought.

¡saludos e buena viaje!

Asturias



Tonight we fly
User currently offlineFalstaff From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 6098 posts, RR: 28
Reply 24, posted (7 years 11 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 4096 times:
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Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 1):
What I would do is get Dramine for motion sickness.

In 1989 My mom, dad, and I took a 3 day whale watching excursion on a sailing ship out of San Diego. The entire first day I spent barfing over the side, which is odd because I have never had motion sickness before or since. The next two days I took Dramamine and felt great for the rest of the trip. It is amazing how that stuff works.

I had a buddy, from Missouri, get sick on my boat a couple of years ago on the Detroit River. He was all embarrassed because people in other boats saw him barf over the stern. I told him to take some Dramamine and not to worry about it. I told him the other boaters probably assumed he was drunk, which is usually the case on the Detroit River.



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25 Post contains links and images Zippyjet : You are NOT asking a stupid question! I and I can probably safley say most of us here would give you props for your candor and honesty. What I've shar
26 Spacecadet : These statistics have always been manipulated to favor the airline industry. I'm not even sure what the real statistics are, but generally whenever I
27 Post contains images Cessna057 : Deffinitly not a stupid question at all. I get nervous before a commercial flight as well. I know in the back of my mind there is nothing to be scared
28 Oznznut : Spacecadet I take a little offence at your comment that the Evergreen engine loss was due to poor maintenance. I worked for Evergreen at the time. The
29 Boston92 : For all of you that say you can sleep on a plane, I am in that boat and then some. I have a little story: I fly a LOT, once or twice weekly, and I onl
30 Historic747 : No they are not. Many of them are conducted by statisticians and mathematicians who have nothing personal to gain. Well they actually do take into ac
31 Falstaff : With the D-O double gizz-le in the heezy!
32 AKLDELNonstop : Nitin, Just come down to NZ and do a bit of skydiving. You will never feel scared again. Cheers
33 Oobitsa : Definitely not a stupid question. I fly over 200,000 miles a year and can hanlde almost anything. The only thing that gets me is fire, but that's beca
34 Acidradio : I don't mean this to sound flippant or sarcastic, but have you tried some liquor before you fly? Being happy and relaxed sure does help reduce the str
35 Lordg : just a tip, make sure u sit on top of the black-box cos tht's the bit they always find! just kidding, there's nothing to worry about-think about how m
36 Post contains images Pilot21 : Have a safe flight, and enjoy it. I love flying, and am generally fine with all aspects, but as somebody above said, it's being taken out of our routi
37 KSUpilot : I get nervous at times too, mostly when we get near large cities. I guess that is some leftover fear after 9/11. But actually, on my last trip I was m
38 797 : You shouldn't be scared because you're not flying in Aeropostal xD
39 MainMAN : I'm not worried about flying by myself, but what I HATE is taking the kids with me. We're going to Ireland on Saturday for a few days and I feel like
40 N62NA : I also can't sleep on the plane, so I take daytime flights. When I fly to Europe, it's always a flight from MIA to BOS the afternoon before, sleep at
41 Post contains images MainMAN : Yeah, the worst thing about flying is the tedium and boredom during cruise. I sit there sometimes bored out of my brains, waiting to feel the first s
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