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Piper/Cessna Unveil New Jets At Nbaa  
User currently offlineCorey07850 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2525 posts, RR: 5
Posted (7 years 6 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 12816 times:

Searched and was surprised that no one posted this, but Piper unveiled their first ever jet aircraft today at NBAA 06 in Orlando... Production starts in 2010, but I wasn't able to get more info... Will get more tomorrow...

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y1/corey07850/P1010097.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y1/corey07850/P1010098.jpg

Cessna also unveiled 3 new aircraft cabins... CJ4, a new XLS, and an awesome new widebody cabin aircraft... Here are a couple pics of the Citation Widebody... notice the cabin height in relation to the people inside.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y1/corey07850/P1010094.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y1/corey07850/P1010095.jpg

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User currently offlineKELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 6264 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (7 years 6 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 12817 times:

Doesn't Piper's fuselage look suprisingly like a Malibu with a jet engine attached  spin 


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User currently offlineBeech19 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 936 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (7 years 6 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 12802 times:

Not a big fan of Pipers but this Jet is very intrigueing. Single engine in the tail from what it looks like? Very interesting...

Awesome to see Cessna going full strength into even more BJ markets.  Smile
I wonder if Cessna would ever build a High wing Citation? (since they are a high wing manufacturer for pistons)

LOVE the widebody!



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User currently offlineN328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6482 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (7 years 6 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 12792 times:

Quoting Corey07850 (Thread starter):
Searched and was surprised that no one posted this, but Piper unveiled their first ever jet aircraft today at NBAA 06 in Orlando... Production starts in 2010, but I wasn't able to get more info... Will get more tomorrow...

Let's not forget that Piper sells the HA-420 as well, so their dealer/service network now has two jet aircraft on offer.



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User currently offlineCorey07850 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2525 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (7 years 6 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 12787 times:

Quoting KELPkid (Reply 1):
Doesn't Piper's fuselage look suprisingly like a Malibu with a jet engine attached spin

It actually looks more like a mini DC-10 with a single engine in person  Smile


User currently offlineJdl1527 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 52 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 6 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 12762 times:

Slap 2 engines on the fuselage and now were talking

User currently offlineFlyf15 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (7 years 6 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 12742 times:

Anyone have a picture of the whole plane?

User currently offlineDTW757 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1528 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (7 years 6 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 12742 times:

I like the looks of the Piper jet! It does look like a DC10 tail, I'd love to see on in person.


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User currently offlineBeech19 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 936 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (7 years 6 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 12735 times:

Quoting KELPkid (Reply 1):
Doesn't Piper's fuselage look suprisingly like a Malibu with a jet engine attached

Thats because i'm sure it is. LOL



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User currently offlineAirTranTUS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (7 years 6 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 12658 times:

Quoting KELPkid (Reply 1):
Doesn't Piper's fuselage look suprisingly like a Malibu with a jet engine attached

If it's efficient, then it'll be great. The 6XT is still my favorite though.


User currently offlineCannibalZ3 From United States of America, joined May 2001, 392 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 years 6 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 12570 times:

Further details can be found at

www.aero-news.net


User currently offlineBlatantEcho From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1896 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (7 years 6 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 12499 times:

800 lbs of payload for the Piper? Is that normal for a 6 seat biz jet?


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User currently offlineFlyf15 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (7 years 6 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 12484 times:



User currently offlineCaptaink From Mexico, joined May 2001, 5108 posts, RR: 12
Reply 13, posted (7 years 6 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 12474 times:

Hmm single engine jet? I am not so sure.

While I am not too technically inclined when it comes to the mechanics of aviation, jets being heavier that a single engine prop, what happens with engine failure?

Looks very intriguing though....



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User currently offlinePikachu From Bhutan, joined Feb 2002, 89 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (7 years 6 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 12468 times:

Give the reliability of jet engines I guess Piper is willing to take the risk with a single. Big jets are heavy but keeping that in mind an A330 has a better engine out glide ratio than a C172.

User currently offlineCaptaink From Mexico, joined May 2001, 5108 posts, RR: 12
Reply 15, posted (7 years 6 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 12464 times:

Quoting Pikachu (Reply 14):
A330 has a better engine out glide ratio than a C172.

Yeah i have heard of the A330s, in fact isn't true that a A330 landed quite successfully without engine power?

I am sure Piper knows what they are doing... just my little concern.

BTW gotta love a.net. I went to Pipers site just check out more on this jet, and the only thing is that it will be unveiled at the NBAA show. Guess what, we (a.net) already been there done that.. Big grin

[Edited 2006-10-18 08:08:58]


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User currently offlineDEVILFISH From Philippines, joined Jan 2006, 4695 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (7 years 6 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 12445 times:

Quoting Corey07850 (Thread starter):
Cessna also unveiled 3 new aircraft cabins...

While having its Mustang proven as an "easy rider" and written-up in Flightglobal.....

http://www.flightglobal.com/Articles...t+Cessna+Mustang+-+Easy+rider.html

http://www.flightglobal.com/Articles...g+the+spot+The+cessna+Mustang.html



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User currently offlineAirTranTUS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (7 years 6 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 12420 times:

Quoting BlatantEcho (Reply 11):
800 lbs of payload for the Piper? Is that normal for a 6 seat biz jet?

Is that with full fuel? Because if it is, then it's at least 200 lbs more than many other small jets, which makes it very attractive for people wanting to take a good load with full fuel. 800 pounds is enough for nearly 4 people and their bags. Other light jets have a full fuel payload of about 600 pounds, which is about 3 people.

If the opposite is true, people plus fuel cannot exceed 800 pounds, then this jet is not very good IMO.

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User currently offlineRampart From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 3067 posts, RR: 7
Reply 18, posted (7 years 6 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 12414 times:

Quoting Captaink (Reply 13):
Hmm single engine jet? I am not so sure.

While I am not too technically inclined when it comes to the mechanics of aviation, jets being heavier that a single engine prop, what happens with engine failure?

Ask an F-16 pilot.

Or a Pilatus pilot, for that matter (OK, a turboprob, but turbine powered nonetheless). Seems OK for them.

Is a jet engine really heavier than a piston?

Interesting at any rate! Does the Piper count as one of those "VLJs"?

-Rampart


User currently offlineSllevin From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 3376 posts, RR: 6
Reply 19, posted (7 years 6 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 12402 times:

The Piper's going to focus heavily on owner-flown jets -- the shortest overall step up from the Meridian. So with one engine it will cost considerably less, probably be a bit slower (but easier to handle and easier to insure with less experienced pilots). So the 800 pounds with full fuel isn't bad -- it's roughly a 4 seater, same as the Malibu and Meridian.

Steve


User currently offline727200er From Canada, joined Mar 2004, 318 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (7 years 6 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 12348 times:

I really like the look of the piper Malibujet NP-10 LOL
It really does look good though. Hope they sell a bunch of 'em



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User currently offlineKSUpilot From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 656 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (7 years 6 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 12197 times:

I like the look of the Malibujet as well. Like a Falcon 7X minus the two other engines. I hope it becomes popular.

User currently offlineDoug_Or From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3380 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (7 years 6 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 12145 times:

Quoting Rampart (Reply 18):
Is a jet engine really heavier than a piston?

As far as LBS per SHP is concerned, a turboprop is much lighter than a piston. Jets are (and most modern turboprops) are much more aerodynamicly clean than single pistons. The reltaively dirty DHC-8-100 is supposed to be able to get 2.5 nm per 1,000 ft with both feathered (I think thats around 15:1). A swept wing might not do as well (not sure), but those wings look fairly straight.



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User currently offlineFalcon flyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 1322 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (7 years 6 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 12103 times:

You can add Raytheon to the list of announcements with the creation of the Hawker 900XP and Hawker 750 as successors to the Hawker 800XP. NetJets is the launch customer.


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User currently offlineDEVILFISH From Philippines, joined Jan 2006, 4695 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (7 years 6 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 12060 times:

Quoting 727200er (Reply 20):
I really like the look of the piper Malibujet NP-10

Piper's teaser website reportedly suggests that the jet would be called "FREEDOM".

Quoting AirTranTUS (Reply 17):

Is that with full fuel? Because if it is, then it's at least 200 lbs more than many other small jets, which makes it very attractive for people wanting to take a good load with full fuel. 800 pounds is enough for nearly 4 people and their bags. Other light jets have a full fuel payload of about 600 pounds, which is about 3 people.

It is believed the Piper Jet will be powered by one Williams FJ44 engine. The Cessna CJ4 will use Williams' FJ44-4 with 3,600 lbs of thrust.

Quoting Falcon flyer (Reply 23):
You can add Raytheon to the list of announcements with the creation of the Hawker 900XP and Hawker 750 as successors to the Hawker 800XP.

With the advances in composite technology as used on the B787, I wonder if Raytheon could leave behind their unpleasant experience with the "2000" and be persuaded again to come up with a single-jet "STARSHIP" using Williams FJ33 and with broadly similar specs as the Cirrus. Aren't attempts to divest of RAC still fruitless?

http://www.flightglobal.com/Articles...er+reveal+single-engined+jets.html



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25 N328KF : That would be a real disaster, since Spectrum Aeronautical has a competing offering already named "Freedom." As a coincidence, the Spectrum Freedom w
26 KSUpilot : Will jets like the Piper-Jet and Cirrus' offering be for personal use, or do you think we will see them also enter the corporate jet market. If the sp
27 Post contains links and images DEVILFISH : I wonder if Piper was late in copyrighting the name. But given that "Piper Jet" is already emblazoned on the engine, they would most likely stick wit
28 Post contains links Cazito : Some high resolution images: http://www.prnewswire.com/mnr/carlisle/25816/
29 L-188 : I am not sure about having the engine directly in back of all roof area. At some point there will be antenna's will be mounted on it, and if they brea
30 CRJonBeez : from what i've heard, piper and honda were going their separate ways. makes sense since piper was assisting honda in marketing/sales of the HA-420. fr
31 Planemaker : The Mustang's is Garmin 1000.
32 Fumanchewd : I was at NBAA and spent about 20 minutes looking at this monstrousity. Crap range at a platinum price.
33 ZKSUJ : Single engine??? Amazes me I guess.
34 Post contains images Boeing Nut : I'm sorry, but IMO, Piper could have done a much better job than this. To me, the designers took a LEGO approach. Slap an engine on the tail, snap a f
35 Post contains images N328KF : You mean, like this thing?
36 Post contains links and images Boeing Nut : No, like this thing.
37 CRJonBeez : the mustang is also built by cessna, who uses the G1000. avidyne is found in the piper products. 2.2 million isn't as bad as you make it out to be. t
38 Cruzinaltitude : I wonder if that has anything to do with the BMW quality interior? The flight deck is b e a utiful.
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