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User currently offlineMtnWest1979 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 2434 posts, RR: 1
Posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2559 times:
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I see on GQ's website they list MDW-SPI service starting later this year. Does anyone know if it is a definite yet, or waiting to see if some $$ comes their way for this first?

I see now they put the announcement on their site. Flights begin 12/3. So, never mind.

[Edited 2006-10-18 04:24:41]


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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22737 posts, RR: 20
Reply 1, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 2538 times:

What's the history of this route? Wasn't somebody (ZK maybe) running CGX-SPI in the 90s? SPI was a C8 station when they were operating for TZ...


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User currently offlineMtnWest1979 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 2434 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 2500 times:
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Yes, Great Lakes, among others, was running into CGX at times.
HUB Airlines had 10 flights each way (M-F, 3 on Sun) back in 1970.

I bet Air Illinois may have done one or the other, as well.

Guess we'll see how successful it will be.



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User currently offlineGQfluffy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2425 times:

*Shakes head. It will be interesting for sure. I'm still waiting for another rumor to come true...and believe you me....it is way off the wall. Either way, I hope GQ finds some way to pull through...

User currently offlineN587NK From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 301 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2400 times:
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ZK also had several flights a day from ORD-SPI. Im thinking somewhere around 5 a day or so. I believe they also had a MX base there. Its been so long and I dont remember all the details, but I think SPI was one of the bigger outstations of ZK back when they had the ORD hub

User currently offlineTWA902fly From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 3122 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2395 times:

The best of this route i remember was CGX-SPI by Great Lakes Airlines with a Beech 1900. But then Miegs Field got closed down. They operated as UA flights.

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User currently offlineCa2ohHP From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 954 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2365 times:

Quoting N587NK (Reply 4):
ZK also had several flights a day from ORD-SPI. Im thinking somewhere around 5 a day or so. I believe they also had a MX base there. Its been so long and I dont remember all the details, but I think SPI was one of the bigger outstations of ZK back when they had the ORD hub

Well not a MX base, but ZK did have a crew base there. I remember taking a number of ZK flights CGX-SPI, those were the days.


User currently offlineDALMD88 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2535 posts, RR: 14
Reply 7, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2358 times:

Great Lakes did have a mx base in SPI. They had the hangar next to our Midway Connection hangar. We flew SPI-MDW and TWExpress flew a Metro II to CGX.

User currently offlineDeltaDAWG From United States of America, joined May 2006, 776 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2313 times:

What gate will they be using? Will they have to share a gate or will they be shuttling people back and forth to the other side to the hangars like C8 did?

MDW is tight as it is with gate space, I know FL is clamoring to get more gates and if there was space available seems like they would be jumping on it.



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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22737 posts, RR: 20
Reply 9, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 2265 times:

Quoting DeltaDAWG (Reply 8):
What gate will they be using? Will they have to share a gate or will they be shuttling people back and forth to the other side to the hangars like C8 did?

The old C8 digs (they were A10 at the time; they're downstairs near the walkway out to A4A and A4B) are still there. Those would be more than adequate for a few flights regardless of whether they bussed or found ramp space nearby (C8 did both at times).



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User currently offlineA330323X From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 3039 posts, RR: 44
Reply 10, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 2230 times:

These flights will be heavily subsidized.

In fact, the route was first awarded to RegionsAir about 18 months ago, but RegionsAir screwed it up like they've screwed up everything else they can get their hands on, forcing the cities to find another carrier, and greatly delaying the start of the route.

Anyone surprised at RegionsAir's incompetence obviously hasn't been paying attention.



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User currently offlineN587NK From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 301 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 2175 times:
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When I first started working there, all the crews were based out of ORD. Then they started outbasing crews. There was a crew base in just about every outstation

User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22737 posts, RR: 20
Reply 12, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2109 times:

I'm kind of skeptical about the success of this route. UA's 6 daily flights pick up a lot of the connecting traffic- especially since WN doesn't interline. So folks can interline onto FL or go to someone else's hub. That's really it.

I think that GQ's biggest competition on this route will actually be Amtrak. Sure, it takes 3 hours, but its a more comfortable seat and it's only $17 o/w. That doesn't mean they can't make it work, but an orphan route like this one has to be pretty successful to stick around.



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User currently offlineAccess-Air From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1939 posts, RR: 13
Reply 13, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1955 times:

I actually think its more or less for the link for the People in the State Capital...to use....

However, I would actually love to see Big Sky also inaugurate MDW to: Moline, Peoria, Rockford, Madison, Bloomington, Champaign, Cedar Rapids and soemother choice cities to possibly start a feed network into MDW perhaps to feed Southwest Airlines...

As for Meigs services...in the 70s it was Hub Airlines, Midwest Commuter, Skystream, all flying Beech 99s......
Air Illinois was in there flying their trusty HS-748 (before it crashed in 1982) and some Twin Otters and a Leased Beech 99 to SPI and points south...
When the Air Illinois gig was up after they went out of business as a result of the 748 crashing, Mississippi Valley Airlines even leased Twin Otter for a short time in 1985 to do the run. Britt Airways then replaced MVA on that route..Britt also flew from CGX to Indy and Terre Huate...
...I did forget to mention that Ozark Airlines leased (in 1972) three Twin Otters from Mackey International Airlines of Florida, to run against Air Illinois on the CGX-SPI run.
Britt started out with Beech 99s on the run but ended up using Metro IIs......
When the Chicago Britt operation was disolved, they did maintain the Metro operation but it the was given over to another then Continental Express carrier called East Hampton Aire using Beech C99s......Britts hubs then gravitated to CLE and IAH....At One point in the summber of 1990 Britt was flying as CO Express from Cleveland to Meigs with ATR-42s... I was due to fly on one for a trip out west but they pulled the seervice before I got the chance....

Meanwhile ResortAir that became Trans States/TWE, took over after East Hampton left using Metro IIs. The Metro III required the use of balanced field length therefore Meigs did not fit the scope of the Metro III, so Trans States kept a few Metro IIs in service just to service Meigs....
In the early 90s thos Breat Lakes also jumped on the bandwagon and flew the Beech 1900s right along side the TWE Metro IIs..
Soon tho, Trans States said bye bye to the SPI-CGX service when they rid themselves of their large Metroliner fleet and got the J-31s instead...
That left Great Lakes to be the last airline service CGX....At their peak, Great lakes even was not only flying from CGX to SPI but also to Lansing Michicagn...
I was fortunate in 1995 when I worked for Great Lakes to be bale to log one flight in and out of CGX......Great Lakes stayed in CGX until a bit after 9/11 as they were reducing their Operations at ORD and when they stopped flying to CGX that was the last air service that CGX would ever see......
I hope that kind of helps....sorry If I strayed abit from the subject....

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User currently offlineFlyinryan99 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 2000 posts, RR: 12
Reply 14, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 1909 times:

Quoting Access-Air (Reply 13):
However, I would actually love to see Big Sky also inaugurate MDW to: Moline, Peoria, Rockford, Madison, Bloomington, Champaign, Cedar Rapids and soemother choice cities to possibly start a feed network into MDW perhaps to feed Southwest Airlines...

I think you're thinking of what I would like to see happen. Recreate Chicago Express essentially. I think having a network of smaller to midsized cities without a MDW link would work pretty darn good with the B1900s. There are going to be quite a few of the newer 1900s coming off flying from CommutAir here in the next year. I think the 1900 is better for O/D then it is for connecting possibilities. It would be nice to see them partner up with someone, say AirTran and provide some feed, but I would say stick to the O/D at MDW, IMO that would be more profitable.


User currently offlineAccess-Air From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1939 posts, RR: 13
Reply 15, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 1869 times:

Quite actually, Chicago Express was started as a subsidiary to Express I Airlines some of their Jestream 31s and even a couple of SAAB 340As. That version of Chicago Express was purely an O&D operation. The SAABS proved to be too large so they were dumped and the J-31s kept....Only when ATA decided to expand like crazy at Midway and see the potential in ChiExp did they adopt them as their ATA Connection and then they dumped the J-31s and got SAAB 340bs....
I guess if Big Sky wanted to do a purely O&D operation, it would work....Actually I think that the Whole operation of Southwest's at MDW is considered to be an O&D operation, otherwise I think they would have kept the ChiExp. oepration as a feeder....Whatever regional airline that lands a Southwest Airlines feeder contract will be a very fortunate carrier because there are many Southwest Focus cities such as MDW STL PHL BWI PHX that they could just take over whole regions with....
If I had the $$$ I would be knocking on Southwest's front door begging to be
that regional airline.....
Oh well, I wish Big Sky all the best and hope that the need for those flights spreads to other cities...

Access-Air



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