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Missed Approach At DXB. Lufthansa 777  
User currently offlineQslinger From India, joined Apr 2006, 261 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 11 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 19655 times:

I live in Deira and am almost on the approach path. During my routine smoking session by my window and looking at aricraft line up for the final, the following is what I saw:

At approx 12:05 Tuesday morning, (17th Oct 2006, DXB time)A plane was on the final, about 5-6 Kms from the runway without its landing lights on. The only time when a single light did come is when the pilot lowered the landing gear and the nose wheel light lit up. I immideatly knew something was wrong. About 2-3 kms from the runway(still no landing lights), the pilot of the plane (Lufthansa 777) pulled back on the stick (a steep angle) and turned right. Everything else prior to that, like the altitude and the speed were fine.

Since it was late I did not wait up to see him retry the landing, but was wondering if anyone out there had any information on this. What went wrong there, was its a pilot error or was the runway not clear? Any other views?

P.S 1: Please excuse if I messed up the aviation terminology.
P.S 2: Those who are familier with Dubai, I live on Rigga rd.

[Edited 2006-10-18 11:30:13]


Raj Koona
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User currently offlineWINGS From Portugal, joined May 2005, 2831 posts, RR: 68
Reply 1, posted (7 years 11 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 19637 times:

I don't understand the purpose of this thread? Since when does LH operate the B777?

Regards,
Wings



Aviation Is A Passion.
User currently offlineDean From Hungary, joined Apr 2005, 216 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (7 years 11 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 19626 times:

Lufthansa does not operate B777s. Maybe you saw an A333.
Your story seems like a normal "go-around" procedure. How can you be so sure about the distances? In the air, especially when you are in the same line with the aircraft, distance can be bigger than expected  Wink


User currently offlineQslinger From India, joined Apr 2006, 261 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 11 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 19533 times:

Quoting Dean (Reply 2):
How can you be so sure about the distances? In the air, especially when you are in the same line with the aircraft, distance can be bigger than expected

The buildings that they fly over gives me an approx distance and the time a plane takes to fly over each of the bldg was about the same as the rest of the jets take.

May be its a A 330. There is a flight scheduled around that time from Abu Dhabi International.

[Edited 2006-10-18 12:11:34]


Raj Koona
User currently offlineDean From Hungary, joined Apr 2005, 216 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (7 years 11 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 19497 times:

Quoting Qslinger (Reply 3):
May be its a A 330. There is a flight scheduled around that time from Abu Dhabi International.

The purpose of the thread is to why and what happend? Just my curiosity since its the first time I saw it happen.

If it was an A330 it could also be EK as well. Then the procedure what you saw could be the part of an a/c test-fly or simply a go-around... I believe if there was anything serious, news would have reported it...


User currently offlineWINGS From Portugal, joined May 2005, 2831 posts, RR: 68
Reply 5, posted (7 years 11 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 19495 times:

Quoting Qslinger (Reply 3):

The buildings that they fly over gives me an approx distance and the time a plane takes to fly over each of the bldg was about the same as the rest of the jets take.

May be its a A 330. There is a flight scheduled around that time from Abu Dhabi International.

The purpose of the thread is to why and what happend? Just my curiosity since its the first time I saw it happen.

I suggest that you edit the title.

Regards,
Wings



Aviation Is A Passion.
User currently offlineMyt332 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 9112 posts, RR: 70
Reply 6, posted (7 years 11 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 19449 times:

Quoting Qslinger (Thread starter):
During my routine smoking session by my window

What were you smoking to see a Lufthansa B777?



One Life, Live it.
User currently offlineQslinger From India, joined Apr 2006, 261 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 11 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 19339 times:

Quoting Myt332 (Reply 6):

My regular, Marlboro Lights! Can't get the good stuff in Dubai!  Smile



Raj Koona
User currently offlineMyt332 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 9112 posts, RR: 70
Reply 8, posted (7 years 11 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 19308 times:

Quoting Qslinger (Reply 7):
My regular, Marlboro Lights! Can't get the good stuff in Dubai!

It's ok, that's what I get. They are so damn cheap over there though, makes me sick!  irked 



One Life, Live it.
User currently offlineCloudyapple From Hong Kong, joined Jul 2005, 2454 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (7 years 11 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 19129 times:

What's wrong with a missed approach? These happen at every airport everyday.


A310/A319/20/21/A332/3/A343/6/A388/B732/5/7/8/B742/S/4/B752/B763/B772/3/W/E145/J41/MD11/83/90
User currently offlineMptpa From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 546 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 years 11 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 18900 times:

Quoting Qslinger (Thread starter):
Lufthansa 777

Must be an A330!

Quoting Qslinger (Reply 7):
My regular, Marlboro Lights! Can't get the good stuff in Dubai!

Perhaps, the hubble bubble!


User currently offlineBohlman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (7 years 11 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 17870 times:

Why do people insist on saying things like:

Quoting Myt332 (Reply 6):
What were you smoking to see a Lufthansa B777?



Quoting WINGS (Reply 1):
I don't understand the purpose of this thread? Since when does LH operate the B777?

Last I checked, there was no prerequisites section on A.net saying "In order to post, you must correctly identify the following 15 airplanes, and must possess an ICAO ATPL."

The way I read those posts is "how dare you not know something about aviation?" This isn't like the thread going on right now about the guy who made the AC 767, where the guy was over dramatizing, this is somebody simply asking an unassuming question (he even apologizes for any mistakes in terminology!).

Also, I believe the limit for editing posts is 30 minutes, so what's the purpose of telling him to change the title 30:40 later? His post was not misleading, and was a whole lot more concise than most posts.

_____________________________

Back to the topic, it sounds like a typical go-around. Maybe the reason they didn't have all their lights on was because they had just come out of clouds?

Qslinger, just to let you know, this is a common enough occurrence that there wouldn't be any type of report written up, unless the consequent later landing ended in an incident.


User currently offlineLordg From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 31 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 years 11 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 17788 times:

what;'s so amazing, they're a daily occurance.
http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?...62808482&q=aborted+landing+finnair


why they did it could be for a number of reasons, runway obstructed, to fast ,pax disturbance, flaps didn,t deploy fully etc...



If you're going through hell- keep going!
User currently offlineMyt332 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 9112 posts, RR: 70
Reply 13, posted (7 years 11 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 17784 times:

Quoting Bohlman (Reply 12):
Last I checked, there was no prerequisites section on A.net saying "In order to post, you must correctly identify the following 15 airplanes, and must possess an ICAO ATPL."

It was a joke Mr America. He even got it so please less of your acting big crap.



One Life, Live it.
User currently offlineBohlman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (7 years 11 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 17579 times:

Quoting Myt332 (Reply 14):
It was a joke Mr America. He even got it so please less of your acting big crap.

And if he hadn't? And why do you have to attack me?


User currently offlineExpress1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (7 years 11 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 17163 times:

Quoting Qslinger (Thread starter):

Please get your facts right before you post.


dave


User currently offlineMorvious From Netherlands, joined Feb 2005, 707 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (7 years 11 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 16849 times:

Quoting Express1 (Reply 16):
Please get your facts right before you post.

Let me guess, you also mail the newspaper or the news agency if they don't have the facts right :S

Give the man a break, not all people on this side are real plane nuts.. He saw something new for him, was thrilled about it.. Shared the news with us what is a good deal end of story!!

Thats what a forum is for!



have a good day, Stefan van Hierden
User currently offlineLordg From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 31 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (7 years 11 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 16365 times:

Quoting Morvious (Reply 17):
not all people on this side are real plane nuts.. He saw something new for him, was thrilled about it.. Shared the news with us what is a good deal end of story!!
Thats what a forum is for!

 checkmark 


thanx for that
over thee last couple o years i've been looking at this site ,the forums have become increasingly toffe nosed and snobby- let's relax guys, it's not a job application

lol



If you're going through hell- keep going!
User currently offlineGPS787 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 31 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (7 years 11 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 15997 times:

Hey here's an idea...

Why don't one of you hotshot avaition geeks explain the differences between a A330 and a 777 so he might not make the same mistake again instead of bashing him about his honest mistake??

Help the guy out, welcome him to A-net and maybe he will be around to help someone later...Kinda a do a good thing and pass it on theory..

Hmmm?



I feel the need to go screaming through the air in a pressurized metal(??!??) tube...
User currently offlineSV777KiloAlpha From Saudi Arabia, joined Dec 2003, 267 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (7 years 11 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 15575 times:

With only one active runway at DXB, go around are common. Specially with the large number of traffic during the night and after mid night.


PPL since 2006
User currently offlineQatarA340 From Qatar, joined May 2006, 1835 posts, RR: 6
Reply 20, posted (7 years 11 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 15451 times:

Quoting Qslinger (Thread starter):
Since it was late I did not wait up to see him retry the landing, but was wondering if anyone out there had any information on this. What went wrong there, was its a pilot error or was the runway not clear? Any other views?

.

Hala! Actually, DXB is extremely busy around noon and late at night. I'm no professional, but I do use Dubai alot. Usually, airlines have two approaches to land. One, from the Arabian Gulf onwards over Diera until the airport (as you saw), and the other from Emirates Highway (south) and from Sharjah territory and the desert (usually at night).

Usually, when the airport is busy, airlines Q up on the southern area, and when its not that busy they do the other way.

I was on an A300 flight and just one minute from touch down (we could literally see people walking!) , the pilot adjusted the flaps and the plane went up again and banked to the right. We were at the Diera side, but then we turned around and Qed up towards the southern area. So, its very common. Don't worry!

I hope what I said is not confusing...



لا اله الا الله محمد رسول الله
User currently offlineRIXrat From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 789 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (7 years 11 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 15350 times:

Then there are also those that are quick to point out that "this thread does not belong on this forum" yet then actively participate in the discussion.

Another variety include those being biased against our younger members. Unless that 18-year old proclaims to be a rocket scientist and has a sure fire formula to solve the problems of Airbus, let him have his say as long as it isn't arrogant. And that goes for everyone.

We all have our opinions, but on the other hand, I think that we appreaciate learning something from this group get-together.

I know that there are some sacred cows on A.Net, but why get your blood pressure trying to reason with them. They are already in their own world and they won't be coming down to meet with us Earthlings.


User currently offlineA342 From Germany, joined Jul 2005, 4682 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (7 years 11 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 15058 times:

Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 11):
A333 are dogs for Oceanic traveling too.

LH doesn't agree with you.



Exceptions confirm the rule.
User currently offlineParisien From France, joined Dec 2000, 823 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (7 years 11 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 14606 times:

I had experienced a missed approach/go around at DXB with EK 773 ! We were about to land when the engines suddenly revved up as if we were taking off again..and indeed we climbed very fast.the captain got on the PA and explained to us what happened. That was really cool. We landed normally not too long after. Forgot what the reason was as told by the captain over the PA....I think more to do with traffic on the runway or something like that (not about the plane is what i wanted to say)

User currently offlineIrobertson From Canada, joined Apr 2006, 601 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (7 years 11 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 14606 times:

Quoting Bohlman (Reply 12):
Why do people insist on saying things like:

Quoting Myt332 (Reply 6):
What were you smoking to see a Lufthansa B777?

Quoting WINGS (Reply 1):
I don't understand the purpose of this thread? Since when does LH operate the B777?

I agree. I'd rather have people posting who are unsure of aircraft designations than people who, because they prefer one plane, insist on bashing another in every thread they can, like:

Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 11):
I only wish Lufthansa will buy 773ER's and dump the A340's. A333 are dogs for Oceanic traveling too.

Moderators, can we do without these sorts of useless flame-baiting remarks that serve no purpose but to take up server space? This sort of nonsense has infected Civil Aviation on A.net to the point that I'm tired of reading it in nearly everything thread that dare mentions anything made by Airbus. It is pushing me to revoke my membership. I joined here to take part in relatively intelligent discussions of aviation, not to read comments by boeing fanatics who feel its their duty to bash airbus every chance they get.

_______________________________________

As for the original question, I don't think this person was questioning the frequency of these events or pointing out anything disasterous. Go arounds, while relatively frequent, aren't "normal". They aren't dangerous per se, but its not what's supposed to happen on final. A landing is normal.

But what IS normal is for one of us aviation fans to see a go around and wonder what provoked it, and naturally we turn to this forum to see if anyone has information. If anyone knows about that particular incident, I'm sure the original poster would love to know. As would I, even if it just was simply "traffic on the runway".


25 Parisien : I had experienced a missed approach/go around at DXB with EK 773 ! We were about to land when the engines suddenly revved up as if we were taking off
26 KangarooMAN : This last statement is very true I seen and heard an XLA 743 go around here at MAN yesterday it was great watching it clean up and it got a few peopl
27 Bongo : Wow.... I remember around three years ago when I asked if certain photo was a 767 or a 777 how blamed I was.... now I really don´t understand why and
28 PIA777 : That is what I was wondering. PIA777
29 Post contains images MissedApproach : What are you talking about? I an not at DXB. Too busy!
30 Gigneil : I only wish you would type a post that contributes ANYTHING to this forum for once. NS
31 Post contains images FiveMileFinal : Not to totally hijack this thread or anything - okay, yes, I'm hijacking it - but I've noticed a lot of hotheads in Civ Av who don't take jokes or cot
32 Post contains images YULWinterSkies : You're all excused. If the lights on the airplane were off and it was dark (morning 12.05 : does that mean five past midnight?), how did you recogniz
33 70sflyer : First- a simple procedure (such as flawless takeoff or landing) can be of interest or wonder to someone. Where does one go to discuss aircraft and air
34 Bond007 : Oh loosen up... You don't have to read something if you don't want to hear about it! Try one of the other 1000 threads if you want to add something re
35 QantasA380 : And I, for one, wouldn't like to argue with LH... Back to the topic, I suspect it was just one of those things. Maybe they forgot the landing lights,
36 Post contains links and images American777 : Who said LF did not operate the Boeing 777? They fly both the 777-200ER and the 777-300ER. Here are two pics showing two of their 777's in service. Mo
37 Post contains images Leskova : Two problems... a) Lufthansa's flight LH627, which operates AUH-DXB-FRA, landed at DXB at 00:35 on Tuesday morning (and took off for FRA at 01:58). b)
38 LTU932 : According to the LCAG timetable I got, they do operate into DXB. However, neither flight arrives at 12:05. The friday LH8030 flight arrives in DXB at
39 Post contains images Cumulus :
40 YLWbased : hey man, give that poor guy a break. i made these kind of mistake all the time, B777 or A330? B737 or A320?i dun see no problem of this. and welcome t
41 Thetuna : You guys are ridiculous. Some of you have gone beyond obession.[Edited 2006-10-19 11:43:50]
42 Post contains images MBJ2000 : Hey people, I know I shouldn't tell you this because I'm under NDA but I can confirm: LH is operating secretly 777s in Dubai! I heard this from a very
43 QantasA380 : I think you missed the bit about 12:05AM, as in 0005hr. Which means there's every chance that this (LH627) was the flight that started this thread...
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