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Airlines With The Most Fatalities  
User currently offlineKE086 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 107 posts, RR: 1
Posted (8 years 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 19344 times:

Forgive me if this has been posted before but I thought that this was interesting enought to do it! The TOP six airlines that have the most fatalities are...

1). China Airlines- With 760 Fatalities
2). Pan Am- With 594 Fatalities
3). American Airlines- With 587 Fatalities
4). Korean Air- With 586 Fatalities
5). Air India- With 542 Fatalities
6). Japan Airlines- With 520 Fatalities

There is a sight in which you can see all the fatalities. There is a graph that shows which airline has the most fatalities.
Here is the Direct Link:
http://www.airfleets.net/crash/fatalities_airline.htm


KE THE ONLY WAY TO FLY
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User currently offlineTG992 From New Zealand, joined Jan 2001, 2910 posts, RR: 10
Reply 1, posted (8 years 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 19332 times:

It's important to note, however, that these statistics only cover aircraft tracked by the website.

I remember once I counted all the fatalities Aeroflot was responsible for from 1950-2000, and gave up counting at 7000! (yes I know they were vast, operated in poor conditions, etc)



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User currently offlineCHRISBA777ER From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5964 posts, RR: 62
Reply 2, posted (8 years 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 19327 times:

If you consider that all but a fraction of the incidents were completely of no fault of the airline whatsoever - i'd be interested to see the stats again, but just with the stuff where the airline is directly culpable as far as can be determined.


What do you mean you dont have any bourbon? Do you know how far it is to Houston? What kind of airline is this???
User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (8 years 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 19310 times:

How far back does the tracking on that link go?

If it's earlier than 1970, then their data for AS is incorrect. There is no mention of the 727-100 that crashed near Juneau, AK in 1971.

And US Air's numbers are bogus as well. It doesn't show the US Air DC-9 that crashed at Charlotte, NC . . . . all the US Air losses indicate a B737.

And the numbers for DL are incorrect as well . . . doesn't show the DL DC-9 that shortsheeted the seawall at BOS (or was it LGA)?

I wouldn't rely too heavily on this information . . . I found these three anomolies with only a few seconds of searching . . . .




Go here:

http://www.planecrashinfo.com/airlines.htm

[Edited 2006-10-18 12:52:52]

User currently offlineA3 From Greece, joined Oct 2006, 262 posts, RR: 8
Reply 4, posted (8 years 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 19279 times:

Quoting KE086 (Thread starter):
The TOP six airlines that have the most fatalities are...

To me these statistics are only half the truth.

Lets suppose that airline X has 3 fifty seater aircrafts and operates 2 years a few flights daily.
If they have an accident with 3 people killed, than it puts them way back to the list compared with airline Y that has 70 threehundred seater aircrafts and operates 30 years with thousands off flights every year , but has a crash with 300 people killed.

To me the only true statistic is how often an airline has a severe accident in comparison by the number of flights/miles per year.



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User currently offlineLordg From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 31 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (8 years 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 19270 times:

Quoting KE086 (Thread starter):
). Korean Air- With 586 Fatalities

dosn't really count cause they had a 747 shot/force landed by the soviets.
kal007 i think



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User currently offlineScouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 3397 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (8 years 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 19243 times:

Quoting Lordg (Reply 5):
Quoting KE086 (Thread starter):
). Korean Air- With 586 Fatalities

dosn't really count cause they had a 747 shot/force landed by the soviets.
kal007 i think

Similarly most of the PanAm figures will be the Tenerife Incident and 103 neither of which were their fault - KLM plane ran into their plane and a bomb.


User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined exactly 11 years ago today! , 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 7, posted (8 years 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 19168 times:

Quoting KE086 (Thread starter):
The TOP six airlines that have the most fatalities are...

Your information is wrong. The Starting dates is different for each airline which gives incorrect data.



"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, but the size of the fight in the dog"
User currently offlineKE086 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 107 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (8 years 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 19159 times:

I got this information form that sight that i have mentioned I'm just showing what i saw from that sight!!!!


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User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7415 posts, RR: 57
Reply 9, posted (8 years 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 19026 times:

I think those statistics are far from being accurate :

They indicate "AOM French Airlines" = 16.
In fact, this crash involved an AOM DC10 leased and operated by CUBANA.

They say AIR FRANCE = 119 :
Concorde crash : 109. Actually, 113 persons were killed (100 PAX = 9 Crew + 4 on the ground)
A320 Habsheim in 1988 = 3. This is correct.
A300 F-GBEC in MRS (Dec.1994) = 7 : that's actually 3 PAX killed by the terrorists and the 4 Terrorists/hijackers killed by the French Police Forces during the assault of the aircraft on the tarmac at MRS.

For LUFTHANSA, they count the Nairobi Crash (B747), the A320 in WAW but not the DASH-8 D-BEAT, crashed at CDG in Feb. 1992, who killed 4 PAX.


User currently offlineUnited787 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2730 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (8 years 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 18958 times:

The most complete website on airline accidents is www.aviation-safety.net although you will probably have to add numbers yourself.

For instance, AA has had 1,445 fatalities since 1943, including American Eagle and 9/11 (not including ground fatalities).

[Edited 2006-10-18 15:56:15]

User currently offlineRicardoFG From Spain, joined Feb 2005, 677 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (8 years 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 18941 times:

AA has gotta have more then that no??

User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7415 posts, RR: 57
Reply 12, posted (8 years 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 18934 times:

Quoting FlySSC (Reply 9):
the DASH-8 D-BEAT, crashed at CDG in Feb. 1992, who killed 4 PAX.

correction : that occured on Jan.6th 1993, not Feb.1992


User currently offlineUnited787 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2730 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (8 years 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 18902 times:

But to be really accurate and fair to an airline, you would need to separate the cause of the accidents into categories, only a couple of which are the fault of the airline:

Hijacking
Bombing or Shoot Down
Pilot Error (Airline Fault)
ATC Error
Collision by Other Pilot Error
Weather
Mechanical Error by Poor Airline Maintenance (Airline Fault)
Mechanical Error by Manufacturer/Design Defect
Unknown...

[Edited 2006-10-18 16:16:59]

User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (8 years 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 18892 times:

Of the above airlines, the following accidents were no fault of the airlines.

Air India: 329 killed in 1985 by a terrorists bomb smuggled on board because of poor Canadian security.

PanAm: 270 killed by Libyan terrorist bomb (PA 103); another 300+ killed at Tenerife because of KLM pilot not following orders.

American: Two September 11 crashes.

Arguably, the Korean Air crash in 1983 can be attributed to pilot error. If they'd never have strayed into Soviet airspace, this accident could have been avoided.


User currently offlineKappel From Suriname, joined Jul 2005, 3533 posts, RR: 17
Reply 15, posted (8 years 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 18835 times:

Quoting Scouseflyer (Reply 6):
Similarly most of the PanAm figures will be the Tenerife Incident and 103 neither of which were their fault - KLM plane ran into their plane and a bomb.

The Pan Am pilot also did not follow orders, he missed a turn-off on the runway. There was also a miscommunication between the tower and the KLM 747 pilots. It's not really as black and white as that.

Quoting KE086 (Thread starter):
6). Japan Airlines- With 520 Fatalities

Isn't this only one or maybe two crashes? I think that is also very important. One crash in how many years of operation and such a big fleet is not bad at all.

Quoting Lordg (Reply 5):
dosn't really count cause they had a 747 shot/force landed by the soviets.
kal007 i think

agreed, that one should not really count. However, in a stat covering airline fatalities it should be included, only with an asterisk.



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User currently offlineWjcandee From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5265 posts, RR: 24
Reply 16, posted (8 years 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 18792 times:

Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 2):
completely of no fault of the airline whatsoever

AA flew a completely-fine 757 into the side of a mountain in Columbia, killing virtually everyone aboard.

AA's maint was a significant contributing factor to the Chicago DC10 accident.

[Edited 2006-10-18 16:36:26]

User currently offlinePHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7534 posts, RR: 24
Reply 17, posted (8 years 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 18735 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 3):
And the numbers for DL are incorrect as well . . . doesn't show the DL DC-9 that shortsheeted the seawall at BOS (or was it LGA)?

It was at BOS back in July 1973. The DC-9 in question was a former-Yellowbird, N975NE. A back-issue of Airliners had an article on that crash a few years back.



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User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7415 posts, RR: 57
Reply 18, posted (8 years 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 18728 times:

Quoting KE086 (Thread starter):
Japan Airlines- With 520 Fatalities



Quoting Kappel (Reply 15):
Isn't this only one or maybe two crashes?

520 in one single crash. The worst ever Air accident involving 1 aircraft.

Flight JL123 HND-ITM, on Aug.12th 1985. B747SR JA8119.
524 souls on board. 509 PAX + 15 Crew.
The crash killed 520. 4 persons survived.

PROBABLE CAUSE: "Deterioration of flight characteristics and loss of primary flight controls due to rupture of the aft pressure bulkhead with subsequent ruptures of the tail, vertical fin and hydraulic flight control systems.
The reason for the aft pressure bulkhead rupture was that its strength was reduced by the fatigue cracks propagating in the spliced portion of the bulkhead's webs. The initiation and propagation of the fatigue cracks are attributable to the improper repairs of the bulkhead, conducted in 1978, and since the fatigue cracks were not found in the later maintenance inspections, this contributed to the accident."


User currently offlineKatekebo From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 704 posts, RR: 6
Reply 19, posted (8 years 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 18707 times:

Sorry, but this is completely meaningless statistic. It only covers certain models of airplanes (look at Aeroflot numbers, it only counts the fatalities from the A310 crash), does not clarify the timeframe nor the size of the operations. Publishing statistics like that only perpetuates the say that there are lies, damn big lies and statistics. Following the same logic, a bed is the most dangerous place to be - statistically, the vast majority of people die while laying in bed. Since I found this scary fact, I sleep on the floor.

User currently offlineATLAaron From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 1023 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (8 years 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 18623 times:

To get a real picture of this information you need a rate of fatalities not a number of deaths.

The RATE can be found here . . .

http://www.airsafe.com/airline.htm


User currently offlineRicardoFG From Spain, joined Feb 2005, 677 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (8 years 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 18309 times:

Quoting Wjcandee (Reply 16):
AA flew a completely-fine 757 into the side of a mountain in Columbia, killing virtually everyone aboard.

AA's maint was a significant contributing factor to the Chicago DC10 accident.

What about that crash shortly after 9/11 involving I believe a A300 (i could be wrong) that crashed shortly after takeoff in a Queens neighbourhood...

November 12, 2001 - An American Airlines Airbus A-300 bound for Santo Domingo, Dominican Republic, crashes into the New York borough of Queens minutes after takeoff. At least 265 people are killed, including five on the ground.

[Edited 2006-10-19 02:48:05]

User currently offlineRicardoFG From Spain, joined Feb 2005, 677 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (8 years 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 18280 times:

this is according to airsafe.com

28 December 1970; American Airlines (Trans Caribbean Airways) 727-200; St. Thomas, VI: The aircraft had a hard landing which caused it to bounce. The crew executed a second touchdown which caused on of the main landing gear to fail. The aircraft overran the runway on the right side and hit an embankment. None of the crew members and two of the 46 passengers were killed.

27 April 1976; American Airlines 727; St. Thomas, U.S. Virgin Islands: The aircraft was on a scheduled flight from JFK airport in New York to St. Thomas. The aircraft overran the runway after an unsuccessful attempt at aborting the landing. Two of the seven crew members and 35 of the 81 passengers were killed.


25 May 1979; American Airlines DC10; Chicago, USA: During the takeoff roll, the left engine and pylon separated from the wing. The crew continued the takeoff, but wing damage due to the engine separation also damaged the aircraft hydraulic system and caused retraction of some flight control surfaces. The aircraft rolled and crashed shortly after takeoff. All 258 passengers and 13 crew were killed. Two people on the ground were also killed.

20 December 1995; American Airlines 757; near Buga, Colombia: The aircraft crashed into Mt. San Jose at night at about the 9,000 foot level while descending into Cali, Colombia after its flight from Miami. All 8 crew and 155 of the 159 passengers were killed in the crash. Colombian civil aviation authorities report that at the time of the accident, all navigational beacons were fully serviceable and that the aircraft voice and data recorders did not indicate any aircraft problems.

12 November 2001; American Airlines A300-600; Queens, New York: The aircraft was on a flight from New York to Santo Domingo, Dominican Republic when it crashed into a residential neighborhood just outside JFK airport. The aircraft experienced an in-flight breakup, with the vertical fin and one engine landing away from the main impact site. The crash damaged or destroyed several homes, and killed five people on the ground. Also killed were all nine crew members and 251 passengers on the aircraft, including five infants.

now according tomy calculations thats 733 fatalities not including 9/11 and 2 other american eagle crashes. correct me if i am wrong.

[Edited 2006-10-19 02:58:03]

User currently offlineCadet57 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 9085 posts, RR: 30
Reply 23, posted (8 years 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 18256 times:

Quoting KE086 (Thread starter):
2). Pan Am- With 594 Fatalities

In part due to PA103

Quoting KE086 (Thread starter):
4). Korean Air- With 586 Fatalities

Due to KE007

Quoting KE086 (Thread starter):
6). Japan Airlines- With 520 Fatalities

Due to JL123


These numbers do not consider the number of CRASHES or acts of terrorism. They really are worthless. This does not show the safety of an airlines fleet or crew.



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User currently offlineOzGlobal From France, joined Nov 2004, 2723 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (8 years 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 18247 times:

The point is, this is an attempt to defend against recent criticism of KE's safety on another thread. It won't work. Look at the number of fatalities per flight / air mile and then the percentage caused by pilot error and KE stand head and shoulders above the rest as the most dangerous.


When all's said and done, there'll be more said than done.
25 Thegooddoctor : LOL! I assume you do not live in the congo basin. If you did this there, you would be at risk of losing your life to ANTS of all things. Now how do y
26 AA777SJC : While there were many contributing factors to this accident (widebodies at a foggy regional airport ill equipped to deal with them, heterodynes when
27 TG992 : But surely the KLM pilot starting his takeoff roll before the tower authorized him to wouldn't have been fatal if the Pan Am jet didn't miss its turno
28 EMBQA : Sorry.. yes it is that black and white. The KLM Capt was not given premission to take off and he did. Period.
29 Post contains links Brettdespain : It was an MD-88 that sheared off the landing gear at LGA and no one died. http://www.airdisaster.com/cgi-bin/v...96®=N914DL&airline=Delta+Air+Lines
30 EMBQA : Not even close. I stopped counting at well over 2,000
31 EMBQA : No.. the one he is talking about happened in..? 1974..?
32 ANCFlyer : I was thinking of the one in Boston . . . see this reply: United: Ditto
33 EMBQA : The total death count on all four planes was very low.... UAL... 109 AA.... 156[Edited 2006-10-19 04:29:18]
34 Cadet57 : Right cuz each of the planes had no more then what 70 on each?
35 SeeTheWorld : You are correct. Pan Am was not at fault in this accident regardless of whether they missed the turn-off. They were to inform the tower when they wer
36 Jasond : I'm not overly sure what the thread aims to state (apart from some statistics). In the case of at least two of the airlines quoted the figures reflect
37 AlexPorter : United has had its fair share of crashes (some where it was at fault, and some where it wasn't). The fatality figures I am including are only people k
38 Carmenlu15 : I have to wonder what range of dates is being considered for these statistics... For instance, I checked Aviateca and it shows 65 fatalities. That mea
39 Qantas787 : I guess the post is about fatalities and you are just as dead whether aircraft or airline is to blame.
40 Post contains images Lordg : " target=_blank>http://www.airsafe.com/airline.htm not too accurate either seems to blame 3000+ of 9/11 on AA
41 Kappel : The thing is, if the KLM flight wasn't so fully loaded with fuel (he took extra fuel to save time at the next stop, Palma IIRC) he might have actuall
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