KE086 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 107 posts, RR: 1 Posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 19149 times:
Forgive me if this has been posted before but I thought that this was interesting enought to do it! The TOP six airlines that have the most fatalities are...
1). China Airlines- With 760 Fatalities
2). Pan Am- With 594 Fatalities
3). American Airlines- With 587 Fatalities
4). Korean Air- With 586 Fatalities
5). Air India- With 542 Fatalities
6). Japan Airlines- With 520 Fatalities
CHRISBA777ER From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5964 posts, RR: 62
Reply 2, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 19132 times:
If you consider that all but a fraction of the incidents were completely of no fault of the airline whatsoever - i'd be interested to see the stats again, but just with the stuff where the airline is directly culpable as far as can be determined.
What do you mean you dont have any bourbon? Do you know how far it is to Houston? What kind of airline is this???
Lets suppose that airline X has 3 fifty seater aircrafts and operates 2 years a few flights daily.
If they have an accident with 3 people killed, than it puts them way back to the list compared with airline Y that has 70 threehundred seater aircrafts and operates 30 years with thousands off flights every year , but has a crash with 300 people killed.
To me the only true statistic is how often an airline has a severe accident in comparison by the number of flights/miles per year.
Don't spend your money on airlines that don't respect your business.
FlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7412 posts, RR: 57
Reply 9, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 18831 times:
I think those statistics are far from being accurate :
They indicate "AOM French Airlines" = 16.
In fact, this crash involved an AOM DC10 leased and operated by CUBANA.
They say AIR FRANCE = 119 :
Concorde crash : 109. Actually, 113 persons were killed (100 PAX = 9 Crew + 4 on the ground)
A320 Habsheim in 1988 = 3. This is correct.
A300 F-GBEC in MRS (Dec.1994) = 7 : that's actually 3 PAX killed by the terrorists and the 4 Terrorists/hijackers killed by the French Police Forces during the assault of the aircraft on the tarmac at MRS.
For LUFTHANSA, they count the Nairobi Crash (B747), the A320 in WAW but not the DASH-8 D-BEAT, crashed at CDG in Feb. 1992, who killed 4 PAX.
United787 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2707 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 18707 times:
But to be really accurate and fair to an airline, you would need to separate the cause of the accidents into categories, only a couple of which are the fault of the airline:
Bombing or Shoot Down
Pilot Error (Airline Fault)
Collision by Other Pilot Error
Mechanical Error by Poor Airline Maintenance (Airline Fault)
Mechanical Error by Manufacturer/Design Defect
520 in one single crash. The worst ever Air accident involving 1 aircraft.
Flight JL123 HND-ITM, on Aug.12th 1985. B747SR JA8119.
524 souls on board. 509 PAX + 15 Crew.
The crash killed 520. 4 persons survived.
PROBABLE CAUSE: "Deterioration of flight characteristics and loss of primary flight controls due to rupture of the aft pressure bulkhead with subsequent ruptures of the tail, vertical fin and hydraulic flight control systems.
The reason for the aft pressure bulkhead rupture was that its strength was reduced by the fatigue cracks propagating in the spliced portion of the bulkhead's webs. The initiation and propagation of the fatigue cracks are attributable to the improper repairs of the bulkhead, conducted in 1978, and since the fatigue cracks were not found in the later maintenance inspections, this contributed to the accident."
Katekebo From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 704 posts, RR: 6
Reply 19, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 18512 times:
Sorry, but this is completely meaningless statistic. It only covers certain models of airplanes (look at Aeroflot numbers, it only counts the fatalities from the A310 crash), does not clarify the timeframe nor the size of the operations. Publishing statistics like that only perpetuates the say that there are lies, damn big lies and statistics. Following the same logic, a bed is the most dangerous place to be - statistically, the vast majority of people die while laying in bed. Since I found this scary fact, I sleep on the floor.
RicardoFG From Spain, joined Feb 2005, 677 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 18114 times:
Quoting Wjcandee (Reply 16): AA flew a completely-fine 757 into the side of a mountain in Columbia, killing virtually everyone aboard.
AA's maint was a significant contributing factor to the Chicago DC10 accident.
What about that crash shortly after 9/11 involving I believe a A300 (i could be wrong) that crashed shortly after takeoff in a Queens neighbourhood...
November 12, 2001 - An American Airlines Airbus A-300 bound for Santo Domingo, Dominican Republic, crashes into the New York borough of Queens minutes after takeoff. At least 265 people are killed, including five on the ground.
RicardoFG From Spain, joined Feb 2005, 677 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 18085 times:
this is according to airsafe.com
28 December 1970; American Airlines (Trans Caribbean Airways) 727-200; St. Thomas, VI: The aircraft had a hard landing which caused it to bounce. The crew executed a second touchdown which caused on of the main landing gear to fail. The aircraft overran the runway on the right side and hit an embankment. None of the crew members and two of the 46 passengers were killed.
27 April 1976; American Airlines 727; St. Thomas, U.S. Virgin Islands: The aircraft was on a scheduled flight from JFK airport in New York to St. Thomas. The aircraft overran the runway after an unsuccessful attempt at aborting the landing. Two of the seven crew members and 35 of the 81 passengers were killed.
25 May 1979; American Airlines DC10; Chicago, USA: During the takeoff roll, the left engine and pylon separated from the wing. The crew continued the takeoff, but wing damage due to the engine separation also damaged the aircraft hydraulic system and caused retraction of some flight control surfaces. The aircraft rolled and crashed shortly after takeoff. All 258 passengers and 13 crew were killed. Two people on the ground were also killed.
20 December 1995; American Airlines 757; near Buga, Colombia: The aircraft crashed into Mt. San Jose at night at about the 9,000 foot level while descending into Cali, Colombia after its flight from Miami. All 8 crew and 155 of the 159 passengers were killed in the crash. Colombian civil aviation authorities report that at the time of the accident, all navigational beacons were fully serviceable and that the aircraft voice and data recorders did not indicate any aircraft problems.
12 November 2001; American Airlines A300-600; Queens, New York: The aircraft was on a flight from New York to Santo Domingo, Dominican Republic when it crashed into a residential neighborhood just outside JFK airport. The aircraft experienced an in-flight breakup, with the vertical fin and one engine landing away from the main impact site. The crash damaged or destroyed several homes, and killed five people on the ground. Also killed were all nine crew members and 251 passengers on the aircraft, including five infants.
now according tomy calculations thats 733 fatalities not including 9/11 and 2 other american eagle crashes. correct me if i am wrong.
OzGlobal From France, joined Nov 2004, 2721 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 18052 times:
The point is, this is an attempt to defend against recent criticism of KE's safety on another thread. It won't work. Look at the number of fatalities per flight / air mile and then the percentage caused by pilot error and KE stand head and shoulders above the rest as the most dangerous.
When all's said and done, there'll be more said than done.
: LOL! I assume you do not live in the congo basin. If you did this there, you would be at risk of losing your life to ANTS of all things. Now how do y
: While there were many contributing factors to this accident (widebodies at a foggy regional airport ill equipped to deal with them, heterodynes when
: But surely the KLM pilot starting his takeoff roll before the tower authorized him to wouldn't have been fatal if the Pan Am jet didn't miss its turno
: Sorry.. yes it is that black and white. The KLM Capt was not given premission to take off and he did. Period.
: It was an MD-88 that sheared off the landing gear at LGA and no one died. http://www.airdisaster.com/cgi-bin/v...96®=N914DL&airline=Delta+Air+Lines
: Not even close. I stopped counting at well over 2,000
: No.. the one he is talking about happened in..? 1974..?
: I was thinking of the one in Boston . . . see this reply: United: Ditto
: The total death count on all four planes was very low.... UAL... 109 AA.... 156[Edited 2006-10-19 04:29:18]
: Right cuz each of the planes had no more then what 70 on each?
: You are correct. Pan Am was not at fault in this accident regardless of whether they missed the turn-off. They were to inform the tower when they wer
: I'm not overly sure what the thread aims to state (apart from some statistics). In the case of at least two of the airlines quoted the figures reflect
: United has had its fair share of crashes (some where it was at fault, and some where it wasn't). The fatality figures I am including are only people k
: I have to wonder what range of dates is being considered for these statistics... For instance, I checked Aviateca and it shows 65 fatalities. That mea
: I guess the post is about fatalities and you are just as dead whether aircraft or airline is to blame.
: " target=_blank>http://www.airsafe.com/airline.htm not too accurate either seems to blame 3000+ of 9/11 on AA
: The thing is, if the KLM flight wasn't so fully loaded with fuel (he took extra fuel to save time at the next stop, Palma IIRC) he might have actuall